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This page is intended to host discussions between representatives from individual wikis regarding interlanguage links between Wikipedia articles.

Interlanguage links can often become entangled in conflicts. For example, if the page en:Emergency medical technician links to fr:Ambulancier, but fr:Ambulancier links to en:Paramedic, then that would be a conflict. This confuses the readers of Wikipedia and usually cannot be automatically maintained by interwiki bots (such as Interwiki.py). This inability to maintain links automatically frequently leads to lack of updates, stale links etc.

The task of synchronizing these links manually is hard, but challenging and interesting. A central hub for discussing this will foster further cooperation and concord between different language Wikipedias.

Encyclopedic truth is universal, so parallel ontology between Wikipedias in different languages is usually desirable, but it is important to emphasize that no Wikipedia can force its ontology on other Wikipedias, and any significant changes of this kind must be decided by consensus.

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Future directions[edit]

In the future the technology of interlanguage links may significantly change thanks to the Interlanguage Extension; see A newer look at the interlanguage link. When this happens, the discussions about interwiki synchronization may move to the wiki that will be set up for this extension.

Automated analysis[edit]

Note
This database appears very outdated. It's questionable if it has ever been updated since its creation in 2008. Have mörser, will travel 18:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The largest connected component in the graph of interlanguage links between articles contains well over 70'000 nodes (including over 3'000 from the English edition) and over 3'000'000 links. There are 24 more connected components with over 1'000 nodes. In total, there are about 60'000 inconsistent connected components in the graph. These figures are based on an analysis of snapshots from late August 2008.

It is next to impossible for a human to untangle the largest graphs anymore. Also, it is infeasible to process all 60'000 or so components, even if most of them are quite small. For that reason, an automatic meaning detection approach, even very imperfect, might be quite useful. An example of such automated analysis can be found here (a middle-sized component with approx. 300 articles and about 25 meanings), here are some more. The results show the identified meanings, the key nodes and links leading to semantic drift, and a complete set of links to remove to guarantee consistency. A description of the graph of meanings in the DOT language used by Graphviz is also provided. A batch edition based on the above results is possible.

Personally, I am strongly in favor of such an automated correction. Note that this would be a one-time action, which apparently has never been taken before. The 70'000+ component must have been growing for years: it contained about 48'000 articles in March 2008.

I'll gladly answer any questions regarding the idea, and upload more examples of analyzed components. If the suggested course of actions is approved by the community, I'd be glad to provide generated edit recommendations for all inconsistent components in a suitable format. I don't have the bot permissions nor the necessary experience, so I'm looking forward to a cooperation with a bot owner. I've performed the analysis for the graph of category interlanguage links too, and it requires similar action too.

This is an application of methods which I have developed during my PhD research, I'm currently in the process of writing two articles documenting the topology of the graph and the methods used to identify meanings. In short, the approach used here arranges the nodes in space using the force-based graph layout algorithm with a custom potential. Then, during the reconstruction of meanings, shorter links are considered to be more trustworthy.

Thanks, Bolo1729 22:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Update: I've opened this service which presents all of the conflicts in which two or more English articles are involved (a little bit over 30'000 cases). In each case, edit recommendations are also presented. --Bolo1729 17:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Opening a new case[edit]

To start a case report about an interwiki conflict:

Cases are created on subpages of Interwiki synchronization.
To do so, add a short description of the case, for example the name of the page in English, and the number of the case, "(2nd)", "(3rd)", etc., if there were previous cases on that page, into the box below.
Replace only the word CONFLICTNAME, leaving the rest as is.

Example: if there were already two cases about Black box, the new case would be titled:
Interwiki synchronization/Black box (3rd)

Then click "Start a case". You will be taken to a page where you can fill out the report.
After you've saved the report, come back to see the remaining instructions below this box.


  • After creating the case page, add its name to the top of the list in the "Current discussions section".

Current discussions[edit]

Lonesome George & Chelonoidis abingdonii[edit]

Status: Symbol wait.svg In progress...

Describe the case here: Lonesome George was the only turtle from subspieces Chelonoidis abingdonii. so some wikipedias wrote article for the spiecs some form lonesome george and some have one article for both.

Group 1: Lonesome George[edit]

Group 2: Chelonoidis abingdonii[edit]

Problematic cases[edit]

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Nymph[edit]

Status: Symbol wait.svg In progress...

Words like the English "Nymph" and French "Nymphe" originating from the same historic roots have developed significantly different meanings in the various languages. So far I have identified three different conotations, but there may well be more variants:

  • "English" ALL juvenile stages between egg and imago in HEMImetabolous insects
  • "Italian" Intermediate stage (last stage only) between "larva" and imago in HEMImetabolous insects. Equivalent of last "nymph" stage ONLY in "English" version)
  • "French" : Intermediate stage (1) between larva and imago in some HOLOmetabolous insects

I have removed all interwikis from all linked language versions and added messages to the various talk pages to ask the editors for informed decisions where their article should link to.

On the English Talk Page I'm keeping track of this.

ATTENTION BELOW LIST IS NOT UPDATED AS FREQUENTLY (by me) AS THE ENGLISH TALK PAGE

Group 1 "English" style conotation[edit]

Group 2 "Italian" style conotation[edit]

Group 3 "French" style conotation[edit]

Problematic cases[edit]

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Dutch Brazil[edit]

Status: Symbol wait.svg In progress...

Describe the case here: what is the starting point of the problem, what causes the conflict, write a general proposal for fixing.

If it is possible, try to find out which are the groups of articles that should be fixed and list them here by language. Try giving every group a meaningful name.

Nova Holanda[edit]

Invasões holandesas no Brasil[edit]

Problematic cases[edit]

(Articles that you can´t sort on your own)

Discussion[edit]

I think the division is quite clear. Only .no and .pt have two seperate articles, but there might be others that I haven't picked up. --Wikijens (talk) 17:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Order of Malta[edit]

It seems that there are several organizations that are called Knights of Malta, Order of Malta, etc.

Sovereign Military Order of Malta[edit]

Venerable Order of Saint John[edit]

Order of Saint John (Bailiwick of Brandenburg)[edit]

Knights Hospitaller[edit]

(these articles seem to be concerned about the general idea; however each of these articles may be a group of its own, or it may belong in one of the previous groups)

Disambuiguation pages[edit]

(it may be a good idea not to link the disambiguation pages here, because they may refer to different subjects)

Discussion[edit]

There are several redirects (especially in de.wiki) which may confuse the bots.

I'm not familiar with the subject, so I may be missing some details about which is which. I'm not familiar with the Interwiki synchronization discussion process either, so please excuse me if I don't provide all the information needed.

I have used the Interwiki drifting project to gather some of the information posted above, but I'm not sure how recent is the data there.

Are there any tools to visualize the current links between various articles ? I heard something about Interwiki graphs, but I'm not sure if I can get the graph without a bot user account. Rsocol 06:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

gunpowder[edit]

Massive confusion in this group of articles. The first two groups should probably be blacklisted for bots as even human editors have trouble with them.

Black powder[edit]

The ancient stuff made of saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal.

  • de:Schwarzpulver - Obviously correct.
  • en:gunpowder - The British English name is used for the article. In the US, it's mostly called en:black powder, which is a redirect. A rename/move request to the US name has recently failed by a large margin, so is unlikely to succeed in the near future. In American English gunpowder may have a broader meaning, referring to any gun propellant.
  • fr:poudre à canon - Synonym given: poudre noire, which redirects; correct as far as I know. I'm uncertain as to which is more common in French today.
  • es:Pólvora - The lead is confusing as to the scope of the article, but the body of article is mostly about black powder with a link to a separate article for smokeless powders.
  • simple:gunpowder and simple:black powder seem to be describing the same thing, but have different interwiki links
  • it:polvere nera. A bot incorrectly removed the link to the English article [1]. I have reverted it.
  • ru.wiki - no article, but see next section.
  • pl:Proch czarny. Fine article, no links to English and French ones though.

Gun propellant[edit]

Anything else that makes modern guns send the projectile down the barrel, like en:Smokeless powders and en:Black powder substitutes.

Smokeless powder[edit]

This group of articles was generally okay, except for the occasional confusion with en:Poudre B caused by the claim on it:Polvere infume (which I don't know how correct it is) that in Italian the latter is used as a synonym for the whole class. I have fixed most links here.

Propellant[edit]

These are generally fine except there seems to be no article or even a specific term in Russian for this. They have one on rocket propellants, ru:Ракетное топливо, but топливо simply means fuel. Порох is a rather unique word denoting gunpowder, and is related to порошок, which means powder of any kind. (Someone might enlighten us on the etymology of порох more, but let's not stray from the topic too much.)

Discussion[edit]

The above reported by Have mörser, will travel 21:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Kangaroo[edit]

The English Wikipedia article en:Kangaroo contains many interwiki links to articles about its genus (eu, ru...) and family (de, bg, uk...) instead. As the complexes are rather large, I am unsure what to do to correct them.


1. Create a list of entangled articles by giving acticles that were listed here as a hint to Pywikipediabot/interwiki.py Yes check.svg Done

2. Create a table with columns for previously listed groups, move previously grouped articles to their groups Yes check.svg Done

3. Move through languages, open each article, check for additional redirects to it (as interwiki.py includes referenced ones only), decide what should be in each categoty

If some language has "Kangaroo" article that contains taxonomic information about Macropus or Macropodidae without red link to it, then it should be in "Kangaroo" group, and there should be a redirect from corresopnding group. If generic "Kangaroo" article does not contain taxonomic information, or it has red link to Macropus or Macropodidae, then there is no need for a corresponding redirect.
Yes check.svg Done

4. Create redirects that should be created Yes check.svg Done

5. Update articles (either by language, or by group) Symbol wait.svg In progress...

6. Verify with interwiki.py


Table[edit]

Group 1
The family, Macropodidae
Yes check.svg Done
Group 2
The genus, Macropus
Yes check.svg Done
Group 3
Kangaroos in general
Other
ar Yes check.svg Done ar:كنغر
az Yes check.svg Done az:Kenqurular az:Macropus az:Kenquru
be-x-old Yes check.svg Done be-x-old:Macropus (create Yes check.svg Done) be-x-old:Кенгуру
bg Yes check.svg Done bg:Кенгурови bg:Кенгуру bg:Macropodidae
bn Yes check.svg Done bn:ক্যাংগারু
bo Yes check.svg Done bo:ཁུག་བྱི།
br Yes check.svg Done br:Macropodidae br:Macropus br:Kangourou
bs Yes check.svg Done bs:Macropus bs:Kengur
ca Yes check.svg Done ca:Macropòdid ca:Macropus ca:Cangur
cs Yes check.svg Done cs:Macropodidae cs:Klokanovití cs:Klokan
cy Yes check.svg Done cy:Cangarŵ
da Yes check.svg Done da:Kænguru
de Yes check.svg Done de:Macropodidae de:Macropus de:Kängurus de:Känguru
de:Känguruh
de:Känguru (Begriffsklärung)
el Yes check.svg Done el:Καγκουρό el:Καγκουρώ
en Yes check.svg Done en:Macropodidae en:Macropus en:Kangaroo
eo Yes check.svg Done eo:Makropo eo:Kanguruo
es Yes check.svg Done es:Macropodidae es:Macropus es:Canguro
eu Yes check.svg Done eu:Macropus eu:Kanguru
fa Yes check.svg Done fa:کانگورو fa:كانگورو
fa:کانگرو
fi Yes check.svg Done fi:Macropodidae fi:Jättikengurut fi:Kengurut fi:Isokengurut
fr Yes check.svg Done fr:Macropodidae fr:Macropus fr:Kangourou
gl Yes check.svg Done gl:Macropus (create Yes check.svg Done) gl:Canguro
hak Yes check.svg Done hak:Thoi-chhú
he Yes check.svg Done he:Macropus he:קנגורו he:קנגרו
hi Yes check.svg Done hi:कंगारू
hr Yes check.svg Done hr:Macropodidae (create Yes check.svg Done) hr:Klokani hr:Klokan
ht Yes check.svg Done ht:Kangourou
hu Yes check.svg Done hu:Macropodidae hu:Macropus hu:Kengurufélék hu:Valódi kenguruk
hy Yes check.svg Done hy:Ագեվազ hy:Կենգուրու
id Yes check.svg Done id:Kanguru id:Kangguru
io Yes check.svg Done io:Kanguruo
it Yes check.svg Done it:Macropodidae it:Macropus it:Canguro it:Canguri
ja Yes check.svg Done ja:カンガルー科 ja:カンガルー属 ja:カンガルー
jbo Yes check.svg Done jbo:Macropus (create Yes check.svg Done) jbo:kanguru
jv Yes check.svg Done jv:Kanguru
ka Yes check.svg Done ka:Macropodidae (create) Yes check.svg Done ka:კენგურუსებრნი ka:კენგურუები (Macropodinae, different cluster)
ka:კენგურუ (points to the island)
kk Yes check.svg Done kk:Кенгурулар kk:Кенгуру kk:Macropodidae
ko Yes check.svg Done ko:캥거루과 ko:캥거루 ko:캉가루
la Yes check.svg Done la:Macropodidae la:Macropus
lb Yes check.svg Done lb:Macropodidae (create Yes check.svg Done) lb:Känguruen
lbe Yes check.svg Done lbe:Macropodidae lbe:Кенгуру
lt Yes check.svg Done lt:Kengūriniai lt:Kengūra lt:Macropodidae
lv Yes check.svg Done lv:Ķenguru dzimta lv:Ķenguru ģints lv:Ķengurs
mk Yes check.svg Done mk:Macropus mk:Кенгур
ml Yes check.svg Done ml:കാംഗരൂ
mn Yes check.svg Done mn:Имж
ms Yes check.svg Done ms:Kanggaru
my Yes check.svg Done my:သားပိုက်ကောင်
ne Yes check.svg Done ne:कंगारु
nl Yes check.svg Done nl:Macropodidae nl:Macropus nl:Kangoeroes
nn Yes check.svg Done nn:Kenguruar nn:Kenguru
no Yes check.svg Done no:Kenguruer
nv Yes check.svg Done nv:Nahatʼeʼiitsoh nv:Náʼhatʼéʼiitsoh
oc Yes check.svg Done oc:Cangoró
pl Yes check.svg Done pl:Macropodidae pl:Kangurowate
pt Yes check.svg Done pt:Macropodidae pt:Macropus pt:Canguru
ro Yes check.svg Done ro:Cangur
ru Yes check.svg Done ru:Кенгуровые ru:Исполинские кенгуру ru:Кенгуру
scn Yes check.svg Done scn:Canguru
sh Yes check.svg Done sh:Macropodidae (create Yes check.svg Done) sh:Klokani sh:Klokan
simple Yes check.svg Done simple:Macropod simple:Macropus simple:Kangaroo
sk Yes check.svg Done sk:Macropodidae sk:Kengurovité
sl Yes check.svg Done sl:Macropus sl:Kenguru
sq Yes check.svg Done sq:Kanguri
sr Yes check.svg Done sr:Macropus (create Yes check.svg Done) sr:Кенгур
su Yes check.svg Done su:Kangguru
sv Yes check.svg Done sv:Kängurudjur sv:Macropus sv:Känguru
sw Yes check.svg Done sw:Macropodidae sw:Kangaruu
ta Yes check.svg Done ta:கங்காரு
te Yes check.svg Done te:కంగారూ
tg Yes check.svg Done tg:Кенгуру
th Yes check.svg Done th:จิงโจ้
tr Yes check.svg Done tr:Macropodidae tr:Kangurugiller
udm Yes check.svg Done udm:Macropodidae udm:Кенгуру
ug Yes check.svg Done ug:خالتىلىق چاشقان
uk Yes check.svg Done uk:Кенгурові uk:Macropus uk:Кенгуру
uz Yes check.svg Done uz:Kenguru
vi Yes check.svg Done vi:Kangaroo
vls Yes check.svg Done vls:Kangoeroe
xal Yes check.svg Done xal:Кенгуру
yi Yes check.svg Done yi:קענגערו
zh Yes check.svg Done zh:袋鼠科 zh:袋鼠
zh-yue Yes check.svg Done zh-yue:袋鼠

Discussion[edit]

Conclusion[edit]

Daucus carota[edit]

In some wikipedias is made a distinction between subspecies Daucus carota ssp. sativus and the species Daucus carota. Example for this is de:Karotte and de:Möhre (Pflanzenart).

Group 1[edit]

Wikipedias that make a distinction:

subgroup 1.1[edit]

Daucus carota

subgroup 1.2[edit]

Daucus carota ssp. sativus

Group 2[edit]

Distinction doesn't appear there:

subgroup 2.1.[edit]

Daucus carota

subgroup 2.2.[edit]

Daucus carota ssp. sativus

subgroup 2.3.[edit]

Both Daucus carota spp. sativus and Daucus carota

Group 3[edit]

There is only an article about the supspecies Daucus carota ssp. sativus.

Group 4[edit]

The topic is Daucus, a genus.

Group 5[edit]

There aren't information about the topic.

Group 6[edit]

I can't read the letters there:

supgroup 6.1[edit]

They have Daucus carota in the Taxobox.

subgroup 6.2.[edit]

They have Daucus carota sativus in the Taxobox.

subgroup 6.3.[edit]

They have Daucus in the article.

subgroup 6.4.[edit]

They don't have a Taxobox.

Discussion[edit]

Hello. Who can correct the muddle, please? Greetings --Tlustulimu 12:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Normandy Landings[edit]

There is a big mess in the iw-links concerning the allied invasion of Normandy. I will try to create some groups based on the english-language articles. Please place articles from different wikipedias in correct group, and feel free to add new groups or merge the existing ones.

Group 1[edit]

Invasion of Normandy

Group 2[edit]

Normandy Landings

Group 3[edit]

Operation Overlord

Group 4[edit]

Operation Neptune

Group 5[edit]

Battle of Normandy

Group 6[edit]

D-Day

Group 7[edit]

Unsorted

Discussion[edit]

Conclusion[edit]

Open source vs Open source software[edit]

There are two different terms "Open source" and "Open source software". Difference between them is evident. Open Source is the idea in general for free accessibility to a software's source code, and Open source software is software under a license that meets the Open Source Definition. But many of articles in different languages messed up correspondence of interwikies.

Please, help to place unsorted links in correct group and check articles already sorted. DixonD 12:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

General idea[edit]

Software under license[edit]

Articles that combine terms[edit]

(Empty now but probably there is some bunch of articles that cannot be unambiguously in any of previous groups)

Unsorted[edit]

Please, move links to appropriate group.

Discussion[edit]

  • I'm far not sure that you made your part of classification right. As to me only
    and, perhaps (I'm not sure as language is more tough, though alphabet is latin)
    are devoted to "General idea" (meaning not narrowed to software stuff) while
    are (as to the best of my ability to grasp their content by some keywords analysis) devoted to software though their names says "Open source".
    and regarding
    I'm not sure yet (languages are tough for me beginning from their alphabets :-P) but "fa" article is more "Yes"(general) than "no" (narrowed to software).
    So what was the reasons/reasoning for you for your classification of "de", "es", "fr" articles (as well as "id", "fa", "zh")?
    Anyhow your data shows already that "en", "nl" and "fa" (and perhaps some other if we will find them, "ta" seems to be an easy guess) are main actors which create the mess in interwiki as in those Wikipedias ontology is different (one can say - more advanced but it doesn't matter for our issue) while interwiki lists in them doesn't reflect that fact. What a positive contrast is "sl" Wikipedia in that meaning!
    --pavlosh 02:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
    P.S. Yes, I'm voting for moving above mentioned "de", "es", "fr" articles from first to second group.
    P.P.S. I have something more to say about this topic, but let's go… leap-by-leap :-P , so it's your turn now ;)
    P.P.P.S. Aha, I've noticed this "resorting" so doubts regarding this "zh" article seems… busted :) as for me --pavlosh 10:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
    As for de,es and fr I simply used Google Translate and doing some investigation of received translation. But I will be very appreciated if someone - natives or at least with good knowledge of those language (and all other too:)) - checks if my grouping is true. Anyway, please, don't use "some keywords analysis" or other heuristics, which can be almost bad and gives wrong results. Only good revise of article's content and nothing other!;) --DixonD 20:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
    Well, what do we have: mine is "something is better than nothing" (heuristics can do until we will not get somebody with good command) while your approach is "everything or nothing" (only native speaker or somebody with good language command are authorised to ever touch the thing). I mean that I would do sorting on the base of "heuristics" and then (sometime) doublecheck/proofsorting could be made, so these two approaches are not alternatives - there might be combination (first/my approach as pre-processing and second/your approach as final processing).
    What would you say?
    --pavlosh 23:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
    I think we must do 100% investigation because one little mistake can cause that someone will correct it in future and we will be there from where we came;) So 100% or nothing, in other case all our efforts can be vain. --DixonD 23:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
    Native Spanish here. I think es:Código abierto relates better to en:Open source software (looks like some content is translated from or inspired by the English article). --ColdWind 09:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
    Thanks a lot for your input.
    Would you be more clear/specific (as clear as possible) regarding your wording "relates better to": does it mean that article in Spanish (es:Código abierto) contains at least something about "Open source" as a general concept/philosophy that is beyond "Open source software" topic as that? … or not?
    --pavlosh 20:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I believe the problem comes from the confusion between en:Free software and en:Open source software. They basically treat of the same concepts in two distinct articles. They should probably be merged (as OSS is a point of view of free software and should be treated as such, or free software was only a term used in the early days of the movement, I don't know exactly, but 2 separate articles is POV pushing IMO, plus mainly redundant). Anyway the current treatement is very confusing for readers. It is not surprising if it creates a big mess (on fr:wiki it created endless editwars, neutrality conflicts, etc.)
    So basically there should be 2 articles, one about Open source philosophy, and one about Free and open source software (FOSS). In fr:wiki, Open source philosophy should be fr:Open source but the concept is not treated yet. Also there is fr:Logiciel libre which talks about FOSS. I'm going to propose that to the free software portal fr:Discussion Portail:Logiciels libres.
    In en:wiki, I believe merging en:Free software and en:Open source software into en:Free and Open source software, and keeping en:Open source (possibly renaming it in en:Open source philosophy, or creating a disambiguation page) could clarify the situation.
    Calimo 10:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
    Thank you, we appreciate your input a lot.
    You're right that roots of this particular interwiki problem are mainly in ontology with some portion of people mistakes (or just unawareness?) on the top.
    I would put aside long (and rather painful) ontology dispute regarding
    «Free software»↔«Open source software»
    In the meantime would you (as native speaker in French) make a conclusion is fr:Open source article with it's current content is about «Open source software» strictly?
    --pavlosh 20:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The problem can be solved if the articles that handle open source software but carry the name open source are renamed to reflect the content, as for example en:open source software handles open source software, en:open source handles open source in different fields, (The nov 2006 version was linked as a proper source from Harvard[[2]]). Mion 01:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Apple vs. Malus domestica[edit]

The interwiki links in hsb:Jabłuko and hsb:Zahrodna jabłučina were mixed, although the first one has the topic apple (like a fruit, not a species) and the second one has the topic Malus domestica (a species). Yesterday I manually repaired this in the upper Sorbian articles only.

I found three groups.

Group 1[edit]

They are in hsb:Jabłuko (the fruit of trees in Malus genus).

I removed all interwiki links, which now are in the second group and have to be in third group and not had to be corrected in the second group.

Subgroup 1.1[edit]

A wider botanical concept of a type of fruit (i.e. the fruit of Apple tree, pear, etc.)

Group 2[edit]

They are in hsb:Zahrodna jabłučina (the species Malus domestica)

I removed some interwiki links, which was in it and has to be in the first group:

  • cs, el, ksh, la, lb, lv, lt, mg, oc, ru, sco

I corrected some interwiki links, whose old ones are now in the first group:

And I removed some interwiki links, which has to be in the third group. I corrected one link only.

Group 3[edit]

Some interwiki links where in both pages, but they have to be in the page hsb:Jabłučina, because its topic is the genus Maluṡ. But I am not added them there yet.

Discussion[edit]

I only corrected the articles hsb:Jabłuko and hsb:Zahrodna jabłučina in the upper Sorbian wikipedia and the Uppersorbian interwiki in de:Kulturapfel (an article about the fruit is not there). I hope, that anybody can help to correct this muddle. Greetings --Tlustulimu 17:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Finger vs. Digit (anatomy)[edit]

English "Finger" refers to the digit of the hand only. In many languages, there is no specific one-word term for finger, and they tend to link ther articles about digit (i.e. term describing both finger and toe) to en:Finger.

Group "Finger"[edit]

These articles should refer to digits of the hand only.

Other interwikis in en:Finger must be checked by native speakers. --Maxxicum 23:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Group "Digit (anatomy)"[edit]

These articles should refer to terms which cover both fingers and toes.

Some interwikis from en:Finger might need to be moved into this group. --Maxxicum 23:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages directing to fingers and toes[edit]

These disambiguations might need to have another entry for the term that would describe fingers and toes collectively to match many other languages. --Maxxicum 23:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Some interwiki bots keep reverting my edits of interwiki and resuming the interwiki conflict. --Maxxicum 23:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I have added some languages that were correctly linked with en:Finger. I believe eo:Fingro might be wrong. Without knowing esperanto, I would guess "kvin ekstremaĵoj de la mano aŭ de la piedo" means "five extremities of the hand or of the foot" Wikijens 09:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. --Maxxicum 23:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I speak Esperanto. I was surprised. I thought eo:Fingro would go to en:Finger, however according to this online Esperanto dictionary it is like "digit". If you want to talk about the toe, it's piedfingro, and finger is manfingro. -- Yekrats 09:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. This confirms that eo:fingro is en:Digit (anatomy). Let's correct the interwiki. --Maxxicum 19:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Trauma[edit]

Iw-links concerning physical and psychological trauma are mixed up.

Group 1[edit]

Disambiguation page

Group 2[edit]

Psychological

Group 3[edit]

Physical

Group 4[edit]

Wound

Ungrouped[edit]

Discussion[edit]

I have tried to group all iw-links I have found.

In the case of Norwegian and Danish, the articles no:Traume and da:Traume mentions both the physical and psychological, but are mainly about the psychological, so I have placed them in this group. This could also be the case with Polish and Czech, but I'm not sure, since I don't know the languages.

Italian it:Ferita has mostly iw-links to en:Physical Trauma and equivalent, while etymological connected es:Herida, pt:Ferida and others are mostly grouped with en:Wound. I have added it:Trauma fisico to Group 3, and suggest it:Ferita be grouped with en:Wound.

Swedish sv:Trauma should probably be grouped with the disambiguation pages, only it is lacking the formal template.

Dutch nl:Verwonding, I'm not sure if fits better with en:Wound or en:Physical trauma. I think maybe the first even if now it links to the second.

There are several links to non-existing eo:Trauxmato. These should be removed. Also ro:Trauma has been deleted, but don't know if this is only temporarily.

All the slavic Rana or similar seem to be linked with en:Wound, so I guess this is correct. Russian and Ukranian ru:Травма and uk:Травма are both linked with en:Physical Trauma, but I can not judge if this is correct.

I hope somebody can fix the languages left (and correct any mistake I made) and place {{Done}} after the language if it is correctly placed and that someone with a bot can clear up all the links when all is cleared out. Wikijens 12:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Featured articles[edit]

I think iw-links between Featured articles-pages are ok, but in the case of Good artickes I think some are wrong. They might be former pages of featured articles or lists of denominated articles or lists of pages shown on front page. Please write {{Done}} behind your language if it is placed in the correct group and feel free to add more groups if necessary (denominated, shown on front page, featured lists etc.).

Group 1[edit]

Level 1 quality articles

Group 2[edit]

Level 2 quality articles

Group 3[edit]

Former Level 1 quality articles

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Conclusion[edit]

Occultation-Eclipse[edit]

Some iw-links seem to be confused between these two (some might also be confused with solar eclipse).

Group 1[edit]

Group 2[edit]

Group 3[edit]

Ungrouped[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Please place the ungrouped articles in the correct group (and correct the ones I have already placed if they are wrong). Wikijens 12:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

zh:日食 = zh-yue:日食 = en:Solar eclipse, zh:蝕 (zh:食 (天文現象)) = ja:食 (天文) = en:Eclipse, ja:掩蔽 = zh:掩星 = en:occultation--Shizhao 15:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Antarctica[edit]

Antar...something

For the south polar region, some languages use two different terms for the continent Antarctica (ru:Антарктида, pl:Antarktyda, no:Antarktika) and greater the Antarctic region (ru:Антарктика, pl:Antarktyka, no:Antarktis). Where available, the category for the continent is a subcategory of the region. In other languages these are considerd to be synonymous and only one name is used (en:Antarctica, sv:Antarktis). Odd enough, the -ica/-ika/-yka spelling is used for the continent in Norwegian, but for the region in Russian/Polish.

Both the articles and the categories have completely messed up interwiki clusters.

Should the langauges with separate terms be encouraged to merge them into one? We are merging prizes+medals+other honours into the more abstract "awards" category. I think it is unlikely that languages with a single term would introduce another one.

Lang Continent Greater region
en Antarctica, Category:Antarctica
sv Antarktis, Kategori:Antarktis
no Antarktika, Kategori:Antarktika Antarktis, Kategori:Antarktis
pl Antarktyda, Kategoria:Antarktyda Antarktyka, Kategoria:Antarktyka
ru Антарктида, Категория:Антарктида Антарктика, Категория:Антарктика

Discussion[edit]

Topic started by me. --LA2 02:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


Conclusion[edit]

Dollar[edit]

In Chinese (I don't know if there is another language like this), 銀圓 Just discuss the coin minted from the silver, no include the paper form or other forms.

Dollar, the currency of many countries[edit]

Discuss a name of the official currency in several countries.

Disambig[edit]

Some of the pages are defined as disambiguation.

Silver coin[edit]

Just discuss the coin minted from the silver, not including the paper form or other forms.

These are unclear[edit]

Currency[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Chinese[edit]

I think the correct interwiki of "Dollar" would be "元 (貨幣)" in Chinese. And the Chinese yuan, which is "元 (貨幣)" interwiki to, must interwiki to a non-exsit article of "元 (人民币)"。--Dingar 01:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Is zh:元 (貨幣) really about currencies named "Dollar"? I don't know Chinese, but it seems that it is a general article about currency. It mentions Yen, Euro and others and Babelfish translates its title as "Yuan (currency)". --Amir E. Aharoni 17:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! you are right. zh:元 (貨幣) include Yen, Euro, Dollar and others.--124.72.221.76 13:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I am forget to login yesterday. 124.72.221.76 is me.--Dingar 00:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but it is still unclear where these Chinese articles should link. en:Currency? --Amir E. Aharoni 14:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

ar:, fa: and ur:[edit]

The ar:, fa: and ur: all belong to the Dollar part. I am moving them there. --Amir E. Aharoni 13:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Brand and trademark[edit]

The interwiki linking of articles about trademarks and brands is pretty hard. They describe two main different, but somewhat overlapping concepts - "brand" as corporate identity in discussion of marketing and "trademark" as a legal term, which is separate, but quite related.

Here's how i tried to group the existing articles in different languages:

Brand[edit]

"Name, term, design, symbol, or any other feature that identifies one seller's good or service as distinct from those of other sellers."

Trademark[edit]

"Distinctive sign or indicator, used by an individual, business organization, or other legal entity, to identify that the products or services with which the trademark appears originate from a unique source, and to distinguish its products or services from those of other entities. Often indicated with ™, ℠ or ® (depending on legal status)."

Hard to understand[edit]

Wrong[edit]

This is definitely wrong, as this is just the disambiguation for the word "Serbian", but it appears on some articles.

Discussion[edit]

Can anyone please help with moving the links from the "Hard to understand" section to their right section? Of course, checking that the current grouping is correct would also be very helpful. --Amir E. Aharoni 14:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Please check the automated analysis of this component. --Bolo1729 10:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

pl:Marka producenta[edit]

In fact this article describes both Brand and Trademark as if there one thing. The first line, translated to English, goes: "Brand, also known as manufacturer mark, trademark". I suggest removing them from interwiki linking until it'll get cut in two.


nl:Merk[edit]

As a native Dutch speaker, I understand your choice for nl:Merk's classification as "hard to understand". The article discusses various aspects of dealing with brands, including marketing and legal, but not very explicitly. One could split up the article, but that could destroy the "whole picture" of how brands fit into the (capitalistic) economy and how both aspects are inseparable: without identity it cannot be protected and without protection it fails as an identity. In the English Wikipedia, it could be argued that there should be a 'glue' article "Brand", a marketing article "Branding" and a legal article "Trademark". --nl:Gebruiker:Bdijkstra as 82.169.238.67 20:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

sq:Marka tregtare/sq:Marka tregëtare[edit]

Yes, sq:Marka tregtare and sq:Marka tregëtare are variant spellings of the same phrase, and I believe the former is correct (based on both a dictionary and google counts). They're talking about symbols and words that are intellectual property, not broader concepts like brand, so I suppose they correspond to "trademark". Unfortunately my Albanian isn't good enough to merge them myself, though I can stick a merge stamp on them. (Also, Emërtimet Tregtare translates literally as "trade names".) --sq:Përdoruesi:Steorra as 68.252.47.196 05:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

fr:Marque commerciale[edit]

fr:Marque commerciale clearly is about en:Trademark and its legal implications. Based on the title and most of the content, fr:Image de marque (literally "brand image") seems to be about en:Brand, although it links to en:Brand management. --Latebird 22:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Remembrance day[edit]

Starting from ksh:Volkstrauertag via de:Volkstrauertag we come to:

  1. en:Volkstrauertag
  2. en:Remembrance Day
  3. en:Armistice Day

These days are all on the same date but are having different meanings. Luckily, en:Halloween was not number 4.

Solution: Isolate the meanings.

Problem 1: Maybe some other languages have still other meanings in the cluster which I am currently not aware of.

Problem 2: I can only handle an incomplete set of languages/scripts, so I cannot do it alone.

Discussion[edit]

  • HE: (checked, and didn't find any articles)
  • Volkstrauertag is on a different date.Andreas 15:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

(check and report more languages)

Conclusion[edit]

elementary-primary-comprehensive-school-education-etc[edit]

There are several starting point in various wikipedias, all having to do with elementary/basic/secondary/comprehensive/collaborative schools/schooling/learning/education.

They connect:

  1. en:Comprehensive school
  2. en:Elementary school
  3. en:Gastropoda(see #Group 2)
  4. en:Gymnasium (school)
  5. en:High school
  6. en:Liceum ogólnokształcące(see also #Group 1.A)
  7. en:Lyceum(see #Group 1)
  8. en:Primary education
  9. en:Primary school
  10. en:Secondary education
  11. en:Secondary education in France#Lycée
  12. en:Slug(see also #Group 2.B)

One of the problems apparently is that, school systems in different countries just do not compare. Likely, most school types apply to a much smaller set of countries (and thus likely, languages, too) than current interwiki links try to make us believe. --Purodha Blissenbach 21:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Group 1[edit]

Starting from en:Lyceum gives a clean group:

  1. ca:Liceu (antiga Grècia)
  2. cs:Lyceum
  3. de:Lykeion
  4. el:Λύκειο
  5. en:Lyceum
  6. eo:Liceo
  7. es:Liceo
  8. fr:Lycée
  9. he:ליקיאון - Aristotle's school near Athens, est. 335 BCE
  10. hu:Líceum
  11. it:Liceo di Aristotele
  12. ja:リュケイオン
  13. nl:Lyceum
  14. pl:Lykeion
  15. pt:Liceu
  16. ru:Лицей
  17. sk:Lykeion
  18. sr:Лицеј
  19. sv:Lykeion
  20. tr:Lykeion

thus cutting all links from the others to this group might be a helpful step. --Purodha Blissenbach 23:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Group 1.A[edit]

Starting from it:Liceo, things already get messy:

  1. cs:Lyceum
  2. de:Lyzeum ← not good: disambiguation. Links ignored.
  3. el:Λύκειο
  4. en:Lyceum
  5. fr:Lycée
  6. he:ליקיאון - Aristotle's school near Athens, est. 335 BCE
  7. hu:Lyceumhu:Líceum
  8. it:Liceo
  9. ja:リセ
  10. pl:Liceum ogólnokształcące
  11. sr:Лицеј
  12. sv:Lykeion
  13. ca:Liceu (antiga Grècia)
  14. eo:Liceo
  15. es:Liceo
  16. nl:Lyceum
  17. pt:Liceu
  18. ru:Лицей
  19. sk:Lykeion
  20. tr:Lykeion
  21. uk:Середня загальноосвітня школа

Group 2[edit]

Starting from any of the following yields no problem links either:

  1. ar:بطنيات القدم
  2. bg:Коремоноги
  3. bs:Puževi
  4. ca:Gasteròpode
  5. cs:Plži
  6. da:Snegl
  7. de:Schnecken
  8. en:Gastropoda
  9. eo:Gastropodo
  10. es:Gastropoda
  11. et:Teod
  12. fa:شکم‌پایان
  13. fi:Kotilot
  14. fr:Gastropoda
  15. he:חלזונות - Gastropoda
  16. hr:Puževi
  17. hu:Csigák
  18. io:Gasteropodo
  19. is:Sniglar
  20. it:Gastropoda
  21. ja:腹足綱
  22. ka:მუცელფეხიანები
  23. ko:복족류
  24. la:Gastropoda
  25. lt:Pilvakojai
  26. lv:Gliemeži
  27. mk:Полжав
  28. nds-nl:Slekken
  29. nl:Slakken
  30. nn:Sniglar
  31. no:Snegler
  32. pl:Ślimaki
  33. pt:Gastrópodes
  34. qu:Wiksachaki
  35. ru:Брюхоногие
  36. simple:Gastropoda
  37. sk:Ulitníky
  38. sl:Polži
  39. sq:Kërmilli
  40. sr:Пужеви
  41. sv:Snäckor
  42. tr:Karından bacaklılar
  43. uk:Черевоногі
  44. zh:腹足纲

--Purodha Blissenbach 00:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Group 2.B[edit]

starting from en:Slug yields a duplicate each for almost all languages, and collects all members of the above #Group 2, too. --Purodha Blissenbach 00:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

I've uploaded an automatic analysis for this area, it's here. It is based on database snapshots from late August 2008.

At least three "bottlenecks" in the graph of meanings can be identified:

removed from en:Secondary education in France and fr:Lycée en France, changed interwiki to fa:لیسه (حلزون) elswhere. Andreas 15:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Meaning 12[edit]

de:Klammeraffe ("@-sign") should be isolated. It is unrelated to en:slug (disambiguation). The link is caused by homonym hu:Csiga which means both "@" and "slug" as it appears to me. (Imho linking disambiguations other than literals (abbreviations, figures, codes) works usually only between related languages having very compatible sets of homonyms) --Purodha Blissenbach 21:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I removed the interwikis from these pages. Andreas 14:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Google[edit]

Currently, we have the situation where the search engine Google and the company Google Inc. are totally mixed up in the various interwikis. These need to be cleaned up and separated.

Search engine[edit]

Company[edit]

Unsorted[edit]

Wrong[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Here's an automated analysis of this component. Indeed: there are lots of incorrent interlanguage links between the meanings containing en:Google (meaning #9) and en:Google search (meaning #1). Interwikis to/from the two Bengali articles: bn:গুগল (সংখ্যা) and bn:গুগল (কোম্পানি) seem to be one of the core reasons of inconsistencies. --Bolo1729 11:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


Some languages don't distinguish between different google activities: they have one article for the google company, the search engine, and all other activities (gmail, gdocs, etc'). I suggest to classify such articles under a new category or under the google-company. What do you think? TaBaZzz 18:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Going through the unknowns, I get to the following:

(still working on it as you see) - Andre Engels 08:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Soldier - Military personnel[edit]

These two categories are interlinked:

In German, they do not seem to make a destintion between them, or they only have:

which is "person in the military" but actually, the category seems not to contain civil personnel, and only persons.

--77.190.85.110 22:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've run an analysis for this case. The graph of meanings clearly shows that en:Category:Military personnel is the central category in this case. There is quite a lot of confusion between that and en:Category:Generals, as well as en:Category:Soldiers. --Bolo1729 10:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Civilian military persons? Hmmm... Actually, de:Kategorie:Militärperson includes the following subcategories containing (at least partly) civilians and/or noncombattants:
According to the respective articles, a en:Solder is a combattant with land forces only, while a de:Soldat is is a combattant in any military force. Because of that difference in scope, matching categories are not to be expected on that level. --Latebird 22:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Microsoft .NET vs Framework .NET[edit]

It is a three way situation in the language th, tr, eu, it and fr there are is an articles about the subject Microsoft .NET and one about Framework .NET.

In there other languages there is only one article.


Group 1[edit]

The Microsoft .NET group


Group 2[edit]

The .NET Framework group


Group 3[edit]

Group 4[edit]

Discussion[edit]

On the French wiki They say[edit]

"Je pense que ces articles pourraient être fusionnés. Qu'en pensez-vous ? --Scls19fr (d) 1 mars 2008 à 22:25 (CET)

Oui, comme c'est déjà le cas dans plusieurs wiki étranger. En tout cas, je ne voit pas de différences entre les 2. D'ailleurs, les 2 pages étaient fusionnées à l'origine et les pages de discussions sont encore communes! Romainhk (QTx10) 4 mars 2008 à 21:30 (CET)"
  • Somewhere else but also copied on the dutch wiki they say

" Hello, there is problem with two articles (Microsoft .NET and .NET Framework) on several wiki's. I think, that the best solution is to merge these articles, but it mus do people on these languages. JAn Dudík 8 sep 2008 17:01 (CEST)

I see. So we'll wait until it is changed in the other language, right? --Halvar 8 sep 2008 19:30 (CEST)"

from the danish .net talkpage[edit]

Please, choose the correct interwiki. On 8 langages are two articles, .NET Framework and Microsoft .Net. You have mixed both versions. Name and most interwiki is like Microsoft .NET, but you still revert changes. Now I make second version, so, you may choose. 77.48.45.229 2. nov 2007, 07:21 (CET)

Could you please specify which 8 languages that have two articles? On enWiki, en:Microsoft .Net is a redirect to en:.NET Framework, on svWiki, sv:Microsoft .Net redirects to sv:Dotnet, on deWiki de:Microsoft .NET redirects to de:.NET - I haven't been able to find a single of the dual versions you are referring to. If you believe that some interwiki links are incorrect, then please specify them here, along with a reason why you think they are incorrect. -- JGC 2. nov 2007, 09:30 (CET)

First set:

bs:Microsoft .NET
ca:.NET
cs:.NET
de:.NET
es:.NET
eu:.NET
fi:.NET
fr:Microsoft .NET
he:.NET
hr:.NET
hu:Microsoft .NET
it:Microsoft .NET
nl:.NET
no:.NET
pl:.NET
pt:Microsoft .NET
ru:Microsoft .NET
sl:Microsoft .NET
sv:Dotnet
ta:மைக்ராசாஃப்ட் .நெட்
th:Microsoft .NET
tr:NoktaNet
uk:Microsoft .NET

Second set:

ar:إطار‌عمل دوت‌نت
bg:.NET Framework
en:.NET Framework
es:.NET Framework
eu:.NET Framework
fr:Framework .NET
it:.NET Framework
ja:.NET Framework
ko:닷넷 프레임워크
lt:.NET Framework
pl:.NET Framework
ru:.NET Framework
th:ดอตเน็ตเฟรมเวิร์ก
tr:.NET Framework
zh:.NET Framework

Two artices are in: es,eu,fr,it,pl,ru,th,trTemplate:Usigneret

I have changed your lists to make them clickable. I would be glad if you tried to describe the definition of the first vs the second set - none of the 8 wikis that do distinguish, are in a language that I understand. If I guess correctly, you would like the interwikis to distinguish between .NET as a development platform and .NET as a software component. There may be some reason in doing this, however I believe that when most wikis only have one article about .NET - and many of them quite elaborate ones - it will be a mistake to split them in different sets, according to which "main focus" they might have. As far as I can see, the "one .NET article"-wikis have articles that more or less covers both aspects of .NET - and to delink some of them, because a smaller group of wikis have two different .NET articles, would - in my mind - be a mistake. -- JGC 2. nov 2007, 14:31 (CET)

I don!t understant this problematic (and from these languages only little bit pl), But I run interwiki bot and these articles are problematic. Yes, maybe the best solution would be if all languages have only one article... 77.48.45.229 9. nov 2007, 16:15 (CET) ([:cs:User:JAn Dudík]])


About the name of the articles that is answered very well on the german wiki "Sollte dieser Artikel nicht richtigerweise auf .NET Framework lauten ?"[edit]

Ich bin etwas verwirrt bezüglich der Namensgebung für diesen Artikel. Ursprünglich gab es ja mal eine Menge von Softwareprodukten aus dem Hause Microsoft, die den Namen .NET tragen sollten bzw. es sollte alles irgendwie mal .NET sein. Übrig geblieben ist davon letztendlich das .NET Framework, das in diesem Artikel ja auch (ausschließlich) beschrieben wird. Ich denke der Korrektheit halber sollte der Artikel daher auch .NET Framework und nicht .NET heißen. Insbesondere da .NET mittlerweile semantisch nur noch als Abkürzung für das .NET Framework bzw. für Technologien, die im Rahmen des .NET Frameworks realisiert wurden, verwendet wird.

--Robert Niemann 12:40, 29. Aug. 2008 (CEST)

sehe ich genauso. Was meinen die anderen? --Kurt Seebauer 09:56, 30. Aug. 2008 (CEST)
Ich ebenfalls.
Sehe ich ebenso. .NET ist die Technologie, um diese nutzen zu können, braucht man ein .NET Framework. Diese kann, muss aber (Beispiel Mono) nicht von MS sein. Das für Windows heißt bei MS gaaaanz offiziel: .NET Framework. Es verhält sich ähnlich wie bei J2EE: J2EE ist eine Spezifikation und kein Produkt, analog .NET. .NET ist die Spezifikation, das Framework die technische Umsetzung. Es scheint so als haben die Autoren dieses Artikel nie bei MS vorbeigeschaut - dort ist stets vom .NET Framework die Rede - der erste Weblink ist das beste Beispiel. PF20080901


In short my point of view[edit]

.Net is the general name and .NET Framework or Microsoft ,NET are the names you use if you are talking from one POV and that is view that there is only OS in the world. So the last four last versions that not merged need to merged and the rest needs to renamed to .NET Carsrac 08:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Rice[edit]

en:Rice, which is concidered an important article lacks a lot of iw-links, probably due to some iw-conflict.

Group 1[edit]

Links from en:Rice

Group 2[edit]

Links from no:ris

Discussion[edit]

This is the way they are grouped at the moment, not how I suggest they should be grouped. Some languages have the same article included in both groups, while a few have different articles. English has no article in group 1, so maybe the best starting point is one of the languages with two articles (f.x. cs), and then the others can be placed where they fit better. Wikijens 18:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Lang General Oryza Oryza sativa (asian) Oryza glaberrima (african)
en Rice Oryza Oryza sativa African rice
cs Rýže Rýže setá
ko
ja イネ
zh 稻属
uk Рис Рис (рід) Рис посівний Рис африканський
es Oryza Oryza sativa
it Riso (alimento) Oryza sativa
is Hrísgrjón

An attempt to classify the articles. I don't understand all these languages, so it's just a guess. Please correct any mistakes. English article Oryza sativa has no iw's at the moment. Wikijens 13:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC) I have expanded the table a bit. Spanish article Oryza sativa seems to describe rice in general and might fot better in the first group. Wikijens 14:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It is correct that ja:イネ is about Oryza sativa. But ja:米 is about cooked rice. --Fryed-peach 17:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, that is wrong. --Fryed-peach 05:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

Contre-la-montre-Time trial[edit]

There is an iw-conflict concerning the term time trial in cycling and other sports. French has an article fr:Contre-la-montre about the phenomenon in cycling (both individual and team version in same article). English has an article en:Time trial which is more general (not only cycling) and two seperate articles for cycling (en:Individual time trial and en:Team time trial.

Group 1[edit]

General (all sports)

Group 2[edit]

Cycling (individual and team)

Group 3[edit]

Cycling (individual)

Group 4[edit]

Cycling (team)

Discussion[edit]

I just added a few languages in each group. Wikijens 13:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

A Few Good Men[edit]

Describe the case here: what is the starting point of the problem, what causes the conflict, write a general proposal for fixing.

If it is possible, try to find out which are the groups of articles that should be fixed and list them here by language. Try giving every group a meaningful name.

a 1992 film[edit]

a play by Aaron Sorkin[edit]

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Conclusion[edit]

Radioactivity[edit]

en:Radioactivity redirects to en:Radioactive decay. That could be a problem:

en:radioactivity[edit]

zh:放射性 (Hillgentleman removed the interwiki links, added one pointing to en:radioactivity, and added template:nobot)

en:radioactive decay[edit]

zh:放射性衰变

publishing[edit]

Confusion between Publishing, Printing, Edition etc.

en:Publication[edit]

This section wasn't checked. Possibly there are duplications.

en:Publishing[edit]

en:Printing[edit]

en:Edition[edit]

Publishing house/person[edit]

Disambiguation[edit]

Other[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Conclusion[edit]

nl:Röntgenfoto vs de:Röntgen and de:Röntgenaufnahme[edit]

Short description from nl:Overleg:Röntgenfoto#Interwiki conflict:

Now the article nl:Röntgenfoto (and relevant redirect from nl:Röntgenopname) interwiki links to more general terms: de:Röntgen, en:Radiography, uk:Радіографія etc. I suggest to correct interwiki to more specific articles: de:Röntgenaufnahme and uk:Рентгенограма.


Group 1[edit]

Seems to be valid group:

Group 2[edit]

Group in nl:Röntgenfoto, seems to be invalid (links to more general term)

Discussion[edit]

uk:Рентгенограма is an image (X-ray photograph, roentgenogram).

uk:Рентгенографія (and ru:Рентгенография) is a technology of obtaining such images (X-ray imaging, roentgenography).

And uk:Радіографія is a more general technology of obtainig images from radiation (not only X-rays), for example, in mineralogy, for radio-active minerals analysis.

So, it seems there should be 3 groups. Olexa Riznyk (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I agree, these three are about different things, at least this was told during the study in medical school... Thus, it should belong to 3 different groups. Regards, --Andrux (talk) 08:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

curator[edit]

In some languages we have two article of curator, one general and one for art curator. In addition, in many languages the hebrew link is to אוצר and it need to change to he:אוצר (מקצוע).

Group 1[edit]

global curator

Group 2[edit]

Conservator - art/museum curator

others[edit]

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Conclusion[edit]

Mobile and Mobile Phone Operating Systems[edit]

Status: Yes check.svg Done --82.144.192.117 13:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Some interwikis need to be corrected --46.119.35.194 04:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC):

Mobile Operating Systems[edit]

Mobile Operating Systems: Interwiki to edit Interwikis to (remove from it) and add in it Status
cs:Kategorie:Operační systémy pro mobilní zařízení diff Yes check.svg Done
en:Category:Mobile operating systems diff Yes check.svg Done
fa:رده:سیستم‌عامل‌های موبایل diff Yes check.svg Done
ko:분류:모바일 운영 체제 diff Yes check.svg Done
ml:വർഗ്ഗം:മൊബൈൽ ഓപ്പറേറ്റിങ് സിസ്റ്റം diff Yes check.svg Done
ms:Kategori:Sistem pengendalian bimbit diff Yes check.svg Done
pl:Kategoria:Mobilne systemy operacyjne diff Yes check.svg Done
pt:Categoria:Sistemas operacionais móveis diff Yes check.svg Done
ru:Категория:Операционные системы для мобильных устройств diff Yes check.svg Done
sk:Kategória:Operačné systémy pre mobilné zariadenia diff Yes check.svg Done
uk:Категорія:Мобільні операційні системи diff Yes check.svg Done

Mobile Phone Operating Systems[edit]

Mobile Phone Operating Systems: Interwiki to edit Interwikis to (remove from it) and add in it Status
ar:تصنيف:أنظمة تشغيل الهاتف المحمول diff Yes check.svg Done
de:Kategorie:Smartphone-Betriebssystem diff Yes check.svg Done
en:Category:Mobile phone operating systems diff Yes check.svg Done
fa:رده:سیستم‌عامل‌های تلفن همراه diff Yes check.svg Done
hu:Kategória:Mobiltelefonos operációs rendszerek diff Yes check.svg Done
ml:വർഗ്ഗം:മൊബൈൽ ഫോൺ ഓപ്പറേറ്റിംഗ് സിസ്റ്റങ്ങൾ diff Yes check.svg Done
ms:Kategori:Sistem pengendalian telefon bimbit diff Yes check.svg Done
no:Kategori:Operativsystemer for mobile enheter diff Yes check.svg Done
uk:Категорія:Операційні системи мобільних телефонів diff Yes check.svg Done

Problematic cases[edit]

(Articles that you can´t sort on your own)

(Of course, there can be Group 3, Group 4, etc.)

Discussion[edit]

(Optional discussion.)

Archived discussions[edit]

September 2008[edit]

October 2008[edit]

See also[edit]