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Proposal: Enable WikiLove on Meta

I went to give some stewards some wikilove, and noticed it isn't enabled. How would the community feel about having it enabled? --Ryan Lane (WMF) (talk) 22:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

While I suppose I don't have anything against it, why do we need it? When did writing "thank you" stop being used as a customary form of expressing gratitude? Go ahead and enable it I guess, but I don't see the point. Ajraddatz (Talk) 22:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to use barnstars and such, and it's much harder to know which templates to include and such. WikiLove makes everything way easier.--Ryan Lane (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment Matters of personal style ... and the existence of templates. :-) I assume the question is whether there are any objections to copying the template into meta space. Of course I don't know how many sub-templates that might require. (I recently installed my own copy of mediawiki software and have discovered just how much work installing one template can be.) But I am not familiar with any previous discussion of such things on meta, so etc etc. -- Proofreader77 (talk) 22:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

  mw:WikiLove Jeremyb (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support Useful and fun. Those who prefer a simple "thank you" can still use that. Asaf Bartov (WMF Grants) talk 23:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support I don't see any harm in enabling it. While there isn't a good argument to have it, there isn't one against it either. It would make giving stroopwafel a lot easier, and we meta-pedians do love our stroopwafels. Thanks Ryan. Theo10011 (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
• I do not oppose, it makes no harm. -- Lavallen (talk) 08:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Based on Commons it just leads to a load of folk playing with the toy. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:48, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose: barnstars can always be used, but WikiLove tends to impose the usage of some barnstars used elsewhere, altering the local wiki culture. I don't see enough usage of barnstars here to judge what could be considered an acceptable custom configuration, so I'd just remove more or less all defaults and leave full freedom, but then it's better to avoid the overhead of the tool. Nemo 17:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with Herbythyme above. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 18:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC) PS: agreeing too with Guido den Broeder and Tempodivalse.
• I'm with Herby and Nemo. Killiondude (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support for wikistroopwafels. And love. And . –SJ talk   09:42, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support crosswikiness. WikiLove exists elsewhere, so why not have it here too? Rd232 (talk) 11:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose Makes Meta look like a game. Guido den Broeder (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per the comments by Vittuzzu below and Nemo_bis above. Meta-Wiki is not a social media site, nor a game; "WikiLove" is just a distraction. There are many more important things to worry about, such as the hundreds of untranslated messages and unresolved technical issues. If you really want to give thanks, it's much more sincere and personal to write your own message instead of clicking a button and having a robot do it. Tempodivalse [talk] 15:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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Instead of voting, perhaps people can take a few minutes to examine the root problem (that Ryan is having)? What about making WikiLove a gadget or something that people can opt in to using? Or is the entire idea objectionable? Saying "well people might play with it" is a bit silly. It was designed to be enticing: it's a red heart.

But, as Nemo notes, the technology could be modified and still have some usefulness; you could even keep a few of the default templates. Or better templates could be made to fit Meta-Wiki and its ... quirkiness.

Would this be a more reasonable approach? It looks like WikiLove already has an attached user preference. We could just set a reasonable default. Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have no idea what problem is Ryan having. On Meta we don't have all those templates en.wiki has; if you want to give a barnstar you just take a suitable image and add a text, you don't need anything else after all. Nemo 08:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer beer. It is a change of cultural approach than currently exists, though I note that there are numbers of people who like it, numbers who don't, and those who are ambivalent. If it can be gadgetised rather than having it sticking out like dogs' balls, then maybe it is okay. billinghurst sDrewth 14:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Hear hear!_{(re: "gadgetised rather than having it sticking out like dogs' balls" )} -- Proofreader77 (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Beer is ok, but kittens are good too – as between-meal snacks. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Something is going wrong if we waste our time on these useless things when technical emergencies lie in the fog of oblivion. --Vituzzu (talk) 11:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  +1 (Vito's comment). —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 16:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

  -1. Flipping a switch like this is not a big deal, if the community wants it. Rd232 (talk) 11:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

  Agreed. Get the more urgent things fixed firstly. If someone wants to thank someone, then just write a personal statement. -Barras talk 11:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• I have no opinion on WikiLove since I haven't seen it in my wiki interaction. So I'm neutral. I love to see people drop flowers, cakes and something good on my talk. I prefer diversity. If introduction of Wikilove led that all that fancy turned into mere heart marks automatically generated, it would be rather shabby. On the other hand, if it is sort of gadget which allows us to select our preferable tokens either Wikilove or WikiThanks or whatsoever, it would be more than useful. I don't know if the function in discussion enables such modification though. --Aphaia (talk) 17:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Unfree images

Meta-Wiki does not have an exemption policy. All the images at Category:Unfree images are copyright violations that ought to be deleted. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 15:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

If Meta-Wiki doesn't allow unfree images, wouldn't it be a good idea to remove local upload? Free images should be on Commons anyway. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Also, the page Meta:Copyrights needs either to be updated or deleted. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 14:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Basically I agree but the experiences suggest it might be prudent to have a room for local uploading. For instance, I saw external people who got involved in a past Wikimania (i.e. potential partner) bid upload photos to meta, not commons. They were not necessarily Wikimedia savvy and it might have been inconvenient for them to go to Commons and meta and hence might be discouraging. Meta serves maintenance and administration, not daily editing. I agree on that those unfree images should be properly licensed or deleted in a long term, but in a short term, specially in case their right holder uploaded them, I think some lack of information can be tolerable in expectation to sort out finally: we don't expect all same mind people from the external of this community are as Wikimedia savvy as we wikiholics. --Aphaia (talk) 10:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to clean Meta-Wiki namespaces

Currently at Meta-Wiki there are the following namespaces:

'metawiki' => array(
        100 => "Hilfe",           # German
        101 => "Hilfe_Diskussion",
        102 => "Aide",         # French
        103 => "Discussion_Aide",
        104  => "Hjælp",         # Danish
        105  => "Hjælp_diskussion",
        106 => "Helpo",           # Esperanto
        107 => "Helpa_diskuto",
        108 => "Hjälp",          # Swedish
        109 => "Hjälp_diskussion",
        110 => "Ayuda",           # Spanish
        111 => "Ayuda_Discusión",
        112 => "Aiuto",           # Italian
        113 => "Discussioni_aiuto",
        114 => "ヘルプ",       # Japanese
        115 => "ヘルプ‐ノート",
        116 => "NL_Help",         # Dutch
        117 => "Overleg_help",
        118 => "Pomoc",           # Polish
        119 => "Dyskusja_pomocy",
        120 => "Ajuda",           # Portuguese
        121 => "Ajuda_Discussão",
        122 => "CA_Ajuda",        # Valencian
        123 => "CA_Ajuda_Discussió",
        124 => "Hjelp",           # Norsk
        125 => "Hjelp_diskusjon",
        126 => '帮助',      # Chinese
        127 => '帮助 对话',
        128 => 'Помощь',      # Russian
        129 => 'Помощь_Дискуссия',
        130 => 'Pomoč',        # Slovenian
        131 => 'Pogovor_o_pomoči',
        132 => 'مساعدة', # Arabic
        133 => 'نقاش_المساعدة',
        200 => 'Grants',    // per bug #22810
        201 => 'Grants_talk',
        202 => 'Research',  // per bug #28742
        203 => 'Research_talk',
    ),
    // @}

Probably they are there for historical reasons but the ammount of namespaces is overkill and useless. Translations are better handled in subpages and the new translate extension does that way. See for example Hilfe:Bearbeiten; which can be perfectly a subpage of Help:Editing/de. Per the usual practice to subpaginate and the new translate extension I propose to move all the content to subpages and remove the following namespaces:

        100 => "Hilfe",           # German
        101 => "Hilfe_Diskussion",
        102 => "Aide",         # French
        103 => "Discussion_Aide",
        104  => "Hjælp",         # Danish
        105  => "Hjælp_diskussion",
        106 => "Helpo",           # Esperanto
        107 => "Helpa_diskuto",
        108 => "Hjälp",          # Swedish
        109 => "Hjälp_diskussion",
        110 => "Ayuda",           # Spanish
        111 => "Ayuda_Discusión",
        112 => "Aiuto",           # Italian
        113 => "Discussioni_aiuto",
        114 => "ヘルプ",       # Japanese
        115 => "ヘルプ‐ノート",
        116 => "NL_Help",         # Dutch
        117 => "Overleg_help",
        118 => "Pomoc",           # Polish
        119 => "Dyskusja_pomocy",
        120 => "Ajuda",           # Portuguese
        121 => "Ajuda_Discussão",
        122 => "CA_Ajuda",        # Valencian
        123 => "CA_Ajuda_Discussió",
        124 => "Hjelp",           # Norsk
        125 => "Hjelp_diskusjon",
        126 => '帮助',      # Chinese
        127 => '帮助 对话',
        128 => 'Помощь',      # Russian
        129 => 'Помощь_Дискуссия',
        130 => 'Pomoč',        # Slovenian
        131 => 'Pogovor_o_pomoči',
        132 => 'مساعدة', # Arabic
        133 => 'نقاش_المساعدة',

Comments welcome. Regards. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 19:37, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Old discussion about namespaces can be found here too. Perhaps creating a Essay: an Historical: namespace would help. Not sure. Regards. —Marco Aurelio (Nihil Prius Fide) 19:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

No it would not. I agree that all translations should be moved to the new system and then the old namespaces deleted. It's probably better to discuss this as part of the Meta:Translate extension draft. Nemo 19:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Agree with the above, we don't need these unnecessary namespaces due to the new subpages system which makes it a lot easier to fix other language versions of the same page. The Helpful One 20:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I think some stats would help here. Here are the current page counts by namespace:

I support removing the old, unused namespaces. They're a(n) historical artifact, as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I don't really like the Translate extension. I'm not sure we should be encouraging people to use that. Separate discussion, though, really. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Note the namespace typo: "Hjälp diskussion" needs to be renamed into "Hjälpdiskussion". I assume that the Danish and Norwegian ones also need to drop a space. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:41, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Basically I support cleaning them up, we could even delete those pages as well. They are relics of the day before mediawiki.org was created, not only before Translate extension. In those days all MediaWiki document was hosted here. I am however concerning with links from the external sites to those pages. As said, this wiki served once as MediaWiki documentation site, do we need to assure them to (soft) redirect to the current venue? I'm not sure if we assure those soft redirecting after we delete namespaces. If it doesn't affected, it's ok. --Aphaia (talk) 10:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning up templates

So I've been working through these pages with the help of some users and we've noticed that there are a few frankly annoying templates that have a structure with means that with this namespace moving all the links need to be updated manually. So I'm proposing that we replace all of these instances with {{languages}} which is a much nicer template. There are cases though if you look at Template:H-langs:Edit summary where links go off-Meta to other wikis - the best solution for this is to create sub-pages that soft redirect to these pages wherever they maybe - MediaWiki.org or other language Wikipedias. Thoughts? The Helpful One 22:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

You can view some of them transcluded at Help:Help page footer templates#Template:H:f. The Helpful One 22:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Thehelpfulone and I support this proposal. Fyi, I'm currently helping him to clean up the namespaces. Mathonius (talk) 22:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed with Thehelpfulone's proposal. I have also been helping with the maintenance work. -Orashmatash (talk) 19:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, yes, just do it already!! PeterSymonds (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Having {{languages}} there's no need for creating a template for each help page, as Template:H-langs:CheckUser. We should delete all of them or make the <languages /> tag to work on pages not exclusively marked for translation. Thanks. —Marco Aurelio (audiencia) 10:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Enwiki WikiProject whose scope is global

Related to the above, en:Wikipedia:WikiProject IPv6 has now begun to prepare for World IPv6 Launch, 06 June 2012. This is an initiative that will require cross-wiki participation by developers.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Then why are you putting it on the English Wikipedia? If only there were some kind of central (perhaps meta?) wiki.... Please don't be silly. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, it started before I realized this would be a global effort... Since I'm not familiar with Meta processes, I just need help globalizing this.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Meta-Wiki has no real concept of WikiProjects (at least not in any substantive sense). It looks like IPv6 is available. Use that? --MZMcBride (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I think I can try IPv6 initiative, but I'm still worried about things like languages and coordinating of the entire global community.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Translation requests#Create a new translation_request. Meta-Wiki is usually adapt at translating things when requests are made. CentralNotices are also pushed to every project from Meta, which would presumably allow for global coordination. Killiondude (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'm starting the page now.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Local account locking

While we do have a global account locking system, I've discovered a way that local account locking can sorta be implemented. For technical details, see mw:User:Jasper Deng/Account locking. This would be very effective for fighting (LTA) socks, especially when a steward isn't immediately available to lock the accounts.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Whilst this looks to be some interesting code and possible feature, the main reason that global account locking is done is for that exact purpose - to stop LTAs using their SUL account across multiple wikis and vandalising on all of them. Would I be correct in saying that this local account lock would stop them from only being able to login on that particular wiki? If so, then blocking would usually suffice. The Helpful One 00:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

It's just a stopgap measure that can be used before a steward is available to lock the account.Jasper Deng (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so it's effectively the same as a local block (but a little bit stronger)? The Helpful One 00:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, with the added effect of disallowing things like DDOS-via-preferences/purge. The setup I have is basically the same as the hardest-possible-block (sans autoblock) with the added effect of not allowing even the reading of any pages.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to be logged in to read pages on the majority of our wikis? The Helpful One 00:42, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The special pages are the ones I was after with that.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess what THO is getting at, which I sort of agree with, is that I don't particularly see a use-case for this. Especially since it would be for just one wiki. Killiondude (talk) 01:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, then again, it does have its uses. One use could be that if this happens on 2/3 or more wikis, a steward bot could automatically lock the account globally.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Bots and locking accounts globally doesn't sound like a good idea, there's too much potential for false positives and disruption if the script breaks. There are usually enough stewards on for someone to respond relatively quickly from my experiences on IRC. The Helpful One 01:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

...but many local sysops don't use IRC.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

A solution in search of a problem, stewards are available quickly in #wikimedia-stewards, anybody can join there thru the webchat. If there are no stewards, then we should elect more, but I don't see that as being the case currently. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 02:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

What problem?--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

My point precisely :) Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 03:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Applications for free, full access, 1-year accounts from HighBeam Research officially open

1000 free accounts are available from the internet research database HighBeam Research. HighBeam has full versions of tens of millions of newspaper articles and journals and should be a big help in adding reliable sources--especially older and paywalled ones--into the encyclopedia. Sign-ups require a 1-year old account with 1000 edits. Here's the link to the project page: WP:HighBeam (account sign-ups are linked in the box on the right). Sign-up! And, please tell your Wikipedia-friends about the opportunity! Cheers, Ocaasi (talk) 13:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

GedawyBot's edits on sl.wikiversity

Why aren't GedawyBot's edits being flagged as bot edits on sl.wikiversity? See the recent changes on that new project. Mathonius (talk) 04:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I already made a request for bot status.--M.Gedawy ^Talk 04:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't have that page on my watchlist (until now). Thanks! Mathonius (talk) 04:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposal about Meta-Wiki's future

Hi. Please see Wikimedia.org and mailarchive:wikimedia-l/2012-April/119713.html. Killiondude (talk) 06:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

IPv6-related RFC on enwiki

I'd like a few opinions at en:User talk:Jasper Deng/IPv6 which is within the scope of the IPv6 initiative.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Help you can give please?

No understanding given by user rude is English Wiki HELP DESK on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fuzzy butternut (talk • contribs) .

What is your question? How can we help you? Mathonius (talk) 15:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/7

Hi. I disabled Special:AbuseFilter/7 just now. The reasoning for doing so can be found here: Special:AbuseFilter/history/7/diff/prev/342 (admin-only link, I think). Please fix the filter before re-enabling it. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 22:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Link isn't admin-only. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 22:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

It is possible to make an exception for the case when a user edits his/her own page. Ruslik (talk) 17:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Completely disabling is problematic, and to me it is not particularly helpful when one looks at the low false positives and the amount that it does catch. I have put the filter to warn and tag, but not reject, until someone has updated it. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I have updated, and hopefully successfully, to get it to ignore each contributors' own pages. I did have troubles successfully testing through tripping other similar filters, and it is probably worthwhile looking to amalgamate or specifically separating any overlap in the filters by someone more clueful than me. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Transfer to Mediawiki.org

Last year Category:Pages to be exported to MediaWiki.org was tagged historical. But the category isn't empty, the transfer process doesn't seem complete, and Meta:MetaProject to transfer content to MediaWiki.org doesn't know about this "historical" status. What's happening here? Rd232 (talk) 09:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject never ends, so to say, because what we want to move may change with time (see the recent move of PWB documentation). Perhaps the category was marked historical to signify that the main backlog has been cleared (the remaining pages have been rejected, as far as I can see). --Nemo 10:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I would expect the category to be empty if it's no longer in use. Items that have been rejected should not be in it... (not that I can see why they have been rejected for moving, if they have been). Rd232 (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Global_bans#Ratification

Please see Talk:Global_bans#Ratification for a suggested ratification process. Thanks. Rd232 (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

TOU banner

I noticed that the banner is coded to be:

{{{introtext}}} <a href="{{{url}}}?utm_source=TOU_top">{{{text-tou}}}</a>{{{bodytext}}} <a href="{{{url2}}}?utm_source=TOU_top">{{{text2}}}</a>

There is a hard coded space between introtext and the first link, and another one after the bodytext, and impossible to be removed by translation. It creates a problem for languages that do not separate words by spaces. Now the CentralNotice banner appears on TOP of ALL Wikimedia pages. That extra space will look very ugly and unprofessional. In order to minimize the work, is it possible to create a separate banner that is used exclusively for languages that do not need the spaces (I'm referring to zh and most of its varients here)? Bencmq (talk) 08:12, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Or remove the spaces from code (seems there are 3 active banners), add spaces into introtext and bodytext so everything remains the same, and remove the spaces wherever it's unwanted? Bencmq (talk) 08:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm more then happy to have a varient banner, I think that is likely to cause the least issues both with the change and future use of the code. I will put that up as soon as I can. Is it just all zh variants? Jalexander (talk) 00:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, all zh varients except zh-min-nan. I believe languages such as Japanese are also affected, but I don't speak those languages so can't say for sure. (side note: please remove the space just before the second link as well :) thank you very much.)Bencmq (talk) 08:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Meta talk:Translation administrators

Please comment at Meta talk:Translation administrators for the proposed process for requesting the translation administrator user right, the length of time for which it will be granted, and who will be able to grant/revoke the right. Thanks. The Helpful One 14:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)