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Editing mediawiki so only certain users can edit certain pages[edit]

On my wiki, users are assigned usernames. I want to restrict them to only editing specific sections of the wiki. I think the file to edit is includes\EditPage.php so that if a person's username contains a colon (e.g. "FOO:Bob") then they can only edit pages that are in the same form (e.g. "FOO:Page_Name"). I want it to treat users with usernames that don't contain a colon normally. E.g.

1) Someone with the username "FOO:Bob" can edit "FOO:Page_Name" but not "BAR:Main_Page".

2) Someone with the username "Bob" can edit "FOO:Page_Name" and "BAR:Main_Page" and "Main_Page"

Hope you can help. I'm happy for this edit to take the form of an edit converting "you must login to edit this page" to "you must login and have the right permissions to edit this page". I think that EditPage.php would need to be edited twice in the areas containing the text:

if ( !$wgUser->getID() && $wgWhitelistEdit ) {
        $this->userNotLoggedInPage();
        return;
}

Many thanks


Unicode Conversion[edit]

Hi, I read somewhere recently that the English Wikipedia will be converted to UTF-8. What's the current status of that plan? It seems that most of the Wikipedias have already been converted. Is there is list of those/status page..., something like that? Ben

All wikis that were still using latin1 before the upgrade to 1.5 were converted as part of that upgrades. Plugwash 01:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion spammed and the Spam Filter likes it[edit]

Someone spammed MediaWiki feature request and bug report discussion and the Spam filter blockes my attemps to revert it. Thats irony, isn't. -83.129.21.131 03:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nervermind, found zthe Link that caused the trouble. -83.129.21.131 03:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikibooks should have subpages on main namespace[edit]

Subpages are very useful here in Meta, e.g. on WQ/2/translation. I think Wikibooks should use subpages to organize textbooks. What do you think? ManuelGR 23:54, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I put a navigation using Template but subpages have automatically created navigations. It is very useful for textbooks. Your idea is very interesting, though I'm afraid it is too small for MediaWiki interface newbies. --Aphaia 03:54, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean with too small, nevertheless I have made links to several pages in MediaWiki Help and have explain it a bit more. ManuelGR 21:02, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I mean the navigation from subpages to the parent page(s). Newbies could miss it, I'm afraid. I talked about your proposal with some participants Japanese Wikibooks. A user pointed out it means the letter "/" cannot be used in page names. Do you think this complaint would be ignorable? --Aphaia 23:38, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure about newbies, but you still can make use of navigational templates to link to the parent in a more visible way if you think it is appropiate. About "/" not usable in page names, I think it is a minor drawback, given that the same issue affects to + , # and other syntax characters. In the future it will be implemented a way of indicating a display title of a page different from the link name (I read this, can't remember where). Finally, remember that I and others are interested in been able to use subpages, not in forcing others to use them. ManuelGR 22:17, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Returning to the newbie-friendliness point, I think the software can be changed easily to set a bigger font and to write a customizable label instead of " >". In Wikibooks this label should be "Parent modules: ", "Parent sections: " or something similar. ManuelGR 22:45, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

www.wikipedia.org[edit]

The information visible at http://www.wikipedia.org/ is generated automatically from the HTML code in m:Www.wikipedia.org template and the wiki code in m:Www.wikipedia.org portal. A possible new design is at m:Www.wikipedia.org portal/Catherine. It would be nice if more non-english people contributed. —AlanBarrett 16:29, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Conventions for multilingualism[edit]

I've been working on methods for organizing multilingual set of pages. If you're interested in this visit:

I think it can become a general project about multilingualism in meta if people add more ideas and articles. So please, feel free to contribute to these pages! Peleguer 12:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

bulk import from csv?[edit]

I have a file of definitions I want to import into a wiktionary, but have not been able to find any information on this besides the Export/Import of preexisting wiki info. Is there a way of doing so already? If not, is there a format that a file should be in that would facilitate this? Is there a database schema available for viewing?

moving pages from meta to local projects[edit]

Hi, I heard we could move pages from meta to local projects. Is this possible? Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks, e-Goat 18:12, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

yes, you can copy the page and make a redirect to your local wiki --Louisana 20:18, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

offering up a change to mediawiki that may not fit into wikipedia's needs[edit]

I have developed and tested a licensing tab feature for Mediawiki. It can be reviewed here. All changes from 1.4rc1 are surrounded by # IFWIKI.ORG Begin/End comments. --David Cornelson 03:43, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)


sorry no time to do it right[edit]

I just added a spider image (Aysha_velox.jpg) which needs a category, Anyphaenidae, and I can't find out how to do that. 4.152.93.58 07:41, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please read Categories. We would like not to increase the number of categories here on meta. In my opinion your requested category are too finely classified here on meta. A category for image in general is not ok for you? And perhaps you are better to upload it on Commons, not here on meta. Cheers. --Aphaia | WQ2翻訳中 | talk 08:46, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Translation[edit]

Announcing the arrival of a new project to co-ordinate the exchange of information between the various language Wikipedias and establish an efficient translation process. Please stop by WikiProject_Translation (provisional name) to volunteer, give suggestions, or satisfy curiousity. 13:36, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Future image commons:Image:Disambig.png[edit]

Wikimedia Boards[edit]

Lately, many users at the Vietnamese Wikipedia have requested the formation of a forum or bulletin board system for the project. Some have suggested setting up their own, or creating a group at Google Groups. I remember that there was once a Wikimedia Boards website that contained a forum for discussion, which was used by both the English and French Wikipedia communities, but it was shut down last year because it wasn't used very much.

it was in particular used by mediators.

The Vietnamese Wikipedia community feels that a bulletin board system would suit the project well, because it's getting very hard to keep track of all the discussions going on at the Talk: pages. The community is small enough that everyone still wants to have a say in everything that goes on, but now it's also large enough that it's getting hard to keep track of everything. For awhile I've been maintaining a list of recent discussions on our Main Page, but I simply don't have the time to do all this manually anymore, and the list has been growing longer and longer as the project picks up speed. (I used to limit the list to five Talk pages at a time, but it has since grown to ten pages, and I don't think my manual approach can keep up much longer.)

Reestablishing the Wikimedia Boards would help us out greatly, but I think we'd be quite willing to accept a modification of MediaWiki that'd allow us to better keep track of discussions. Basically, everyone just wants something structured like a forum so that many of the interesting discussions don't fall by the wayside.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. This has become somewhat of a pressing issue at vi: now. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:09, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just to clarify: mailing lists have also been brought up as an alternative, but I think there might be some issues there, because many of our users might be reluctant to subscribe to a mailing list that would probably get quite a high volume of messages. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, blog) 03:28, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

nod. I think Aoineko (who is french leaving in japan) could help you possibly. He made a proposal for a forum to replace our pump recently. Anthere 06:23, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You can found few information about it on Wikiforum (and many other on French fr:Wikipedia:Wikiforum). You can test it at: http://test-wikipedia.saewyc.net/index.php/Special:Forum . I have many technical requests to fix before it can be put on Wikipedia, but actually I'm busy building a 3d demo for a job. If you have any question, please contact me at fr:Talk User:Aoineko. Aineko 06:37, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikidebate[edit]

Just a thought that it would be possible to make a wikidebate or wikiopinion community so that people posting opinions and debate in wikipedia have a place to discuss hot topics. This would be basically a seperate site from wikipedia as a seperate wiki. Whether this would end POV disputes in hot topics or not is uncertain. This is not quite a board or forum exactly and to limit it to that format might be shortsighted in an opensource world. This could also include a functional wikiblog connection. Bloggers could post and link to other blogger's posts. Most primary opinions would be locked and be similar to a NYTimes article but the water cooler discussions could take place in a wikidebate forum with POV defended on each side. This certainly seems like something that could be done on a 3 year scale. It has been seen that people want their POV seen and others want to discuss it, why not let wiki have a place for POV seperate from areas already designated as NPOV. --Dave moeller 22:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia[edit]

The current implementer of Chinese wikipedia have made a wrong decision about they can convert the simplified Chinese to the traditional subset. This is proven wrong by the new wikibook entry 論語.

There is no clear way to convert from simplified Chinese to Traditional Chinese. And in some cases, for example, when official name, Personal's name, quotations, should not be converted. Any conversion will render the result as unauthority. There are many cases which a character seems a simplified, but it is also an valid Traditional. As in the case : 云 (means sayings), which should not be converted to 雲 (cloud).

I strongly disagree with people which do not have full understanding of the problem to make decisions which have long term effects!

There should never a conversion from simplified Chinese to Traditional Chinese, while a conversion to simplified Chinese can be accepted! People willing to translate simplified Chinese to Traditional can do it, other people can correct them. But a machine conversion is not correctable.

Please stop the tradtional chinese conversion which is current in service and start making human translations.

I urge those who only learn simplified Chinese try to learn a little Traditional Characters which is not difficult. For those who do not known any traditional chinese, please open a simplified version of the article in another window to assist your editing. Simplified chinese editor are welcome to make edit in simplified Chinese.

My contact is kentsin@gmail.com, any comments as well as any flames are welcome.

It would seem that the two words that mean cloud would have something to do with the word 'two' as pertains to marriage and the word 'silkworm', or in other words 'the marriage of two silkworms.' As these silkworms live in the open, or in silkworm shelter structures, and also exist in comparison to other less cultivated insects and animals, its seems that these two words are big indeed. The concept of vagueness as a part of the concept of a cloud could stem from considering the nature of the conversation between two silkworms who are considering marriage, which could go to the concept of a saying, which could go to the concept of regular folk who don't really study economics or industrial process for a living but either work for a company or use corporation-produced products in their lives. This seems to me to be as valid a path as any for parsing the cloud word 'yun' in its rain form and non-rain form.--172.168.133.205User:McDogm 19:06, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

There are mechanisims available to prevent automatic conversion of an article, or specific words in an article. They are implemented specifically to allow human translations in cases where the machine makes mistakes. See Chinese conversion for a description of them. The system needs further improvement, no quesiton about it. To better handel ancient articles like 論語, maybe there should be an option to allow a one-way only conversion, i.e. from tradtional to simplified but not the other way around. - Zhengzhu 15:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

page vandalized?[edit]

Hi there, I just stumpled over User:Bcorr/Repository during a google-search ... is there any reason for this page? Is it vandalized? (I couldn't get a diff of the last change during the last 5 minutes ...) Greetings, -- Schusch 12:01, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

also i can't get the diff, i can revert it to the last version - so i did -- Schusch 12:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Translating "Community portal"[edit]

Hi. On the bosnian wikipedia we would like to translate "Community portal" into "Vrata zajednice". We're guessing that this can be done somehwere on meta-wiki, but we're not sure where. Any help would be much appreciated. Asim Led 21:15, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Links at the Global Main Page (www.wikipedia.com)[edit]

There's a great problem. The links to Wikinews, wikiquote and wikibooks at the Wikipedia Global Main Page send us to the English versions of each one, instead it's global pages. Can somebody PLEASE correct this mistake???? --Huhsunqu 20:15, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hay un gran problema. Los vínculos de la Portada Global de Wikipedia de Wikilibros, wikicitas y wikinoticias se dirigen a las versiones en inglés de éstas, en vez de sus respectivas páginas globales. Puede alguien POR FAVOR corregir esto? --Huhsunqu 20:15, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Their main pages are .org, not .com. Have you contacted an administrator of wikipedia.com? Perhaps whois gives you information who you should contact. .. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 19:21, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cross-project vandalism by a single person[edit]

See Vandalism reports#Pelican_Shit/Ass_Pus/Bugger. Uncle G 10:50, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Wikification of dates on Wikinews[edit]

According to Help:Editing#Links.2C_URLs dates can be wikified, so that they display according to a user's individual date format preferences and they generate an automatic hyperlink to a per-day page, and indeed this happens on Wikipedia. But it doesn't happen on Wikinews. Is this a feature of the software that is selectively enabled across different projects? Assuming that a consensus to enable it can be formed at Wikinews, what is the procedure for then doing so? Uncle G 11:06, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Wikipostcards[edit]

nota just made some glorious postcards for everyone to use, on and off-wiki :-) Take a look! +sj+ 13:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Problems on 1-meta or meta-1 pages[edit]

About making wikipedia pages, I pose problem on 1-meta or meta-1 pages. on ko:애니메이션과_만화의_목록, There are List of Animation and Comics. But, in many other wikipedia, they separate 'list of ani' or 'list of manwha=comic=manga'. in this situlation, we must link two list also. but, because of incapacity of wikipedia, we can't seperate these list. so, I suggest to make system that can seperate about 'list of comics', 'list of ani', and so on. - 갈라드리엔 06:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

p.s for about manwha : Coreans use w lately in different consonants, but about 'h(ㅎ)', influenced about spelling of 'munwha'(문화,culture), we use w first.

p.s.2 for about ko:만화, It's not about Manga, or Manwha, or Manhua. It's about Comics. I want to correct it.

Strange letter or namespace[edit]

Помощь:Введение seems to me as 帮助 对话:Введение("Help talk" in ZH) on RC and the latter doesn't exist. Is there only I who got those bugs? --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 23:53, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This page needs to be more obvious[edit]

I made Meta:Community Portal into a redirect to here. This page should be on the navigation bar, like it is on the other wikis, no? If not, it should be more prominent on the main page. - Omegatron 20:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And I've included redirects from Meta:Village Pump, Meta:Village pump, and Meta:Community portal. I've also added links to this page at the top of Wikimedia News and Goings-on. - dcljr 18:59, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your efforts. But I add most of meta regulars seem to be fond of other communication channels which created recently, foundation-l and irc, for example. Wiki is good at collaboration, but not discussion at all. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 19:19, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Templates for translating language names[edit]

Please see Meta:Templates for translating language names if you're interested in discussing the use of templates to translate names of languages into other languages (e.g., English in Japanese is 日本語). - dcljr 07:32, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey! How the heck did that happen? What I meant to say, of course, is "(e.g., English in Japanese is 英語)". I wonder if that's why not much discussion has been drummed up by the above post.; - dcljr 06:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions symbol.wiki[edit]

Hello, my name is steve... don't know if i'm doing this properly... so if i thoroughly mess up this page i am truly sorry. I have a few suggestions for the continued devolopment of this site, yet have not been successful at creating a page. I think a symbol.wiki would be a valuable addition to this encylclopedia. Symbols are the basic foundation of consciousness, psychologists for the past century have said that before there are words there are images. I would think that to post a searchable list of these images and their cultural conotations would be valuable. Two types of searches connotation (for an individual looking up symbols that mean a certain thing) and then descriptive seachers (for one who has the symbol, but wants to know what it means - or more fundamentally what it is called). For instance, lets say one has a picture of the Eye of Ra, yet does not know what it is. One should be able to enter a select number of discriptive qualities of the symbol to narrow down the results.


Evo.wiki is being blocked by some automatic firewalls... i'm not sure why, but I hope that ya'll might be working on it.

Ah yeah... and if anyone wants to make a deal with google with their reported plans to make a searchable database of a whole lotta out of print books... that might open up new possibilities.

I hope this submittion works -steven deloney- stephen.deloney@gmail.com

evo.wiki is not associated with us, as far as I know... they just use the same software. - Omegatron 14:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

In Memoriam: September 11, 2001[edit]

This discussion thread moved to Sep11wiki/Babel thread.

This file is a shared upload and may be used by other projects.[edit]

who can explain me, why e.g. this file is from the commons and sometimes a shared upload like here. when this logo's on the commons, we can delete it, can't we? in all wikitionaries and wikibooks it's together more than 223 024 bytes lost space! Schaengel89 @me 13:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We meta editors can't delete it here because it IS shared (and substantially on commons). I checked the page but no delete botton was available. If I misunderstand, please correct me. I am not a tech person in principal. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 09:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
yes, i realized that nobody i met can delete it. what means IS shared? and who can say me, why they aren't in every wiki as a shared upload? and who the **** can delete this waste of space? Schaengel89 @me 15:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's not wasting any space. The image isn't really at wikibooks. It's on the commons and saved only once. Going to the image description page of an image that is on the commons will show you that message regardless of which wiki you are on. Toki pona Wikiquote doesn't actually store the French Wikibooks logo, but going to Image:80px-WikiLivres.png there will display the logo. Angela 20:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
where do they say, it's from the commons? Schaengel89 @me 14:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If description page says it is shared and come from somewhere, yes. It is on commons and not on a local project like you mentioned on the above. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 14:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Help me with changing and standarising "sisterprojects"-templates[edit]

(excuse my low level of english, I'll try the best I can)
Until now, I have thought about a standarisation of the wikimedia logo's names. the best solution I found (in my eyes the best) ist the following one: Image:"Wikiproject"-"Kind of file"-"Language of slogan".png. (examples) if there is no slogan in use, I used Image:"Wikiproject"-"Kind of file".png. if two or more wikis are using the same logo, I called the file with the language the logo uses (this is used in wikinews de, es, en, fr, nl, pl, pt and sv). for the "sisterproject"-templates I creaded this collection. what I please you is: help me! help me with the renaming of

you see, that's a lot. But it's not all! I found several shared uploads. perhaps we, if you want, can start a COTW, because this reform has to be converted in all or in none! Schaengel89 @me 19:10, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please note, that not all the above logos are really the same, some have a transparent background, others not, some are edgewise, others square, some are in good quality, others not ... so please don't follow Schaengel89's request "blindly". And please note these comments in addition. He caused many error deletions (even of a Wiki.png, the logo of a project in the upper left corner, which was missing for days afterwards) and confusing already. --:Bdk: 00:34, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Recursive template disabled?[edit]

"Recursive inclusion is possible." says Help:Template#General. I'm having trouble getting any results. Is recursion possible but is it not enabled here in Meta? (SEWilco 02:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC))

What was meant was simply: One can call a template that calls another template. I have clarified and expanded this:
If a template calls itself directly or indirectly, inclusion works only on one level for each template. However, with templates redirecting to the template that one would want to call recursively, one can achieve recursion without having to make copies of the whole template content, with the number of levels limited by the number of redirects. See also Repetition within a page and Template:List of template calls.--Patrick 08:57, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Randomizing numbers on Wiki pages...?[edit]

I've been trying to find a way to get a random number on a page, but with no success. Scripting is disabled on pages, and this is the only way of doing this I could think of. Can a {{RANDOM}} function be applied to the software? This function should get a range of numbers to randomize from and have an option to return round or not-round numbers. Hoping that what I'm suggesting is possible...

This could use for a random tip, a random "Did you know?" and many other uses.

Thanks!

And while you're at it: Can you offer a calculation with Dates ? Currentday Currentmonth Currentyear is great but in sliding lists eg. on Wikinews it is important to have the ability to use Currentday-1 or 2 weeks before Currentday. That would be great. --Davion 18:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
On your own wiki you could possibly write an extention but you would have to disable caching for the page in question (can extentions do that i'm not sure) and this would make the extention very unlikely to be acceptable for wikimedia sites. Plugwash 01:05, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that it would. We already have variables such as NUMBEROFARTICLES and CURRENTTIME, which must be kept fresh. Surely it would work in a similar way to that? --HappyDog 14:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Please see zh:template:realtimecolor. It is a pseudo-random function. upssdr talk 03:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Interlang order[edit]

私は言語コード順に並べるのが良いと思うのですが、Metaにはどこにも書かれていない様です。 そこで、Interlanguage link等で他の言語へのリンクを張る場合、ISO 639の言語コード順とする事をプロジェクトの方針とするのはいかがでしょうか。

  • en(?): An edit war happens in commons:Template:Lang-mp. I presented the problem in commons:Commons:Village pump#Template:Lang-mp and others. I think that had better arrange these in language code order. But, it seems to be written nowhere in Meta. Therefore, when make a link to other languages in Interlanguage link, how will be this the project makes it a principal to arranging it language code order of ISO 639?

--kahusi - (Talk) 13:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) % 英文は多分変です。//Perhaps an English sentence is strange.

参考リンク / A reference link: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pywikipediabot/pywikipedia/family.py?rev=1.61&view=markup --kahusi - (Talk) 15:59, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In Memoriam (2)[edit]

This discussion thread moved to Sep11wiki/Babel thread.

Chess[edit]

Hello, Some wikipedians from several languages are making a inter-Wikiproject_Chess in meta in order to define a common chess template for making chessboads and a default chessboard style for it. This is because chess diagrams are mostly graphical and then this work can be used wiki-worldwide. My question is ¿How can we categorize this proyect and if is it in the correct place? --GengisKanhg (my talk) 20:39, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Team and individual games are now open at chess. Nathan256 18:25, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unused images[edit]

Vote for deletion of unused images on meta is on-going. If you find any reason to keep a certain image among them, please list them on the whitelist (no reason necessary because of efficiency). --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 21:25, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

test.wikipedia.org[edit]

What happened to it? There were many pages in it related to various bugs in MediaWiki. Hope there is someway to retrieve those pages... -- Paddu 8 July 2005 08:10 (UTC)

Sandbox wiki[edit]

See: b:en:User:Aya/Wikibooks/A critique of Wikibooks#Newbies.

Can someone with the necessary privs create a DNS record for sandbox.wikimedia.org and point it to the wiki at http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Main_Page or similar to replace the Project:Sandbox page on all Wikimedia wikis?

Aya 20:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)