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This is the page to propose page moves that might be controversial. These should be listed for seven days and implemented if there is no opposition. Any language may be used on this page, although English is the most common. Users who wish to use this place should place {{move}} on the page in question to alert other users, which adds the page to Category:Proposed page moves.
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I just found out there are 2 categories that state the same thing: Category:Translators eng-ron and Category:Translators eng-rom. None of them is right, since the correct initials for Romania are ROU (since January 2007). A simple internet search can easily confirm, if there are any doubts about it. Thank you. --Wintereu (talk) 08:21, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

The new category should be Category:Translators eng-rou. --Wintereu (talk) 12:18, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@Wintereu: Please feel free to fix the categories with your proposed category. When emptied we can delete the old categories.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
@Wintereu, Billinghurst: Oppose Oppose moving to rou. As is stated on Category:Translator's Templates, the category names are based on BCP 47 language codes (which are mostly from ISO 639-1 and ISO 639-3). As everyone involved in this discussion knows, the ISO 639-1 and Wikimedia language code for Romanian is "ro", so a redirect could be set up from there. The ISO 639-3 code for Romanian is ron, not rou or rom. Note, however, that rum is a valid synonymous ISO 639-2 "bibliographic" language code, so a redirect may be set up from there. ROU is the ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code for the country of Romania (which is not the same as the Romanian language), although previous versions of the standard used ROM. Note that rou is the ISO 639-3 (and therefore also BCP 47) code for the Runga language of Chad, part of the w:Aiki language "family" (the two dialects are very different). Also rom is not the ISO 639-3 code for Romanian, but Romani (i.e. the language of the Romani people, also known as Gypsies). This should not be made into a redirect to Romanian, since the two languages are not the same. The only member of the eng-rom category is User:Sirty, whose babel indicates fluency in both Romanian and Romani. Sorry if I made this too confusing. Here is the simplification (TL;DR). Note all codes mentioned are ISO:
RO
This is a country code and TLD for Romania, and the ISO 639-1 language code for Romanian.
ROM
Former country code for Romania, current macro-language code for Romani (Gypsy).
RON
ISO 639-3 language code for the Romanian language.
ROU
Country code for Romania, language code for Runga.
RUM
Synonym of RON language code in ISO 639-2.
P.S. I think the way these categories use ISO 639-3 where ISO 639-1 already exists is inconsistent with Wikimedia's language codes and Wiktionary's Babel templates. I think it would be more consistent (and easier) to use 'en' instead of 'eng', 'ro' instead of 'ron', etc., but that's a separate discussion. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
P.P.S. Since I doubt any Runga speakers are going to translate pages on Meta anytime soon, a redirect from 'rou' to 'ron' would probably be harmless in practice and reduce confusion. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I have converted the template to Runga, and this should be closed as  Not done. That there is confusion over the categories and templates, there would seem the need to overtly address the basis of their classification in the cats and the templates, rather than having to dig to another place. Users should not have to face a jargon issue.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17, Billinghurst: Thank you for your time spent in dealing with this issue. Still, someone should probably fix the eng-rom template as standing for Romani, not Romanian and add it to the list. Regards, Wintereu (talk) 11:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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