Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Lurish

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Lurish
submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.

A committee member provided the following comment:

A project is not eligible until the language committee says so. GerardM (talk) 10:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code lrc (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Luri Language name in English
Language name لوری Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Community Setenlyacc (NP), blackandblack(N), iraniahaman(N), Budelberger(N), Sajadlor(N), Mogoeilor(N),Bonevarluri(N), Lurvand(N), علی ساکی لرستانی(N)
You can optionally list your user name if you're a contributor to the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ویكی پدیا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ویكی پدیا لوری usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace گپ "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Files should be uploaded to Commons, but if you want, you can enable local file uploading.
Notes: (1) files on Commons can be used on all wikis; (2) this setting can be changed afterwards; (3) uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info); (4) localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons
Optional settings
Project logo File:WikiLuri.png 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Asia/Tehran "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces Main Page:سرآسونه , Page: بلگه, Page talk:گپ زيڍن،قسه كردن, Index: سیائه, Index talk: سیائه گپ, Encyclopedia:دونسمند نامه, article:گوتار, help:هومياري, toolbox:أوزاردوني, translations:لرنيڍنيا, languages:زۉن ئل, Current events:پيشومڍل تازه باو, random article:گوتار بختكي, contact page:بلگہ تماس, Donate to Wikipedia:هومياري پيلي وه ویكی پدیا, View history:دي ين ويرگار For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings This language has a Persco-Arabic Script and font tahoma. Anything else that should be set
submit bug request (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

The Luri people speak Luri, Bakhtiari and Laki. Most Luri tribes, especially in Lur Kochek or Luristan of today speak Luri. Some tribes in Alshotr, Kohdasht, Norabad, Ilam and Kermansha speak Laki. In Lur Bozorg: Bakhtiari, Kuhgiloye and Mamasani tribes speak Bakhtiari. All dialects are influenced by the language of the Elamites and the Kassites. The language of the Lur people belongs within the Indo-European languages. For a short time Kakoye dynasty, which was a part of the Al Boye rolled in Luristan. In year 435 A.C., the Barsighans (part of the Seldjoghy dynasty) under command of Ibrahim Yenal, brother of Tagharol Saljoghy attacked and occupied Luristan. Once again Shahpor Khast together with Alshotr was the heart of a governorship. Today a stone dated back to 513 A.C. belonging to Esfehsalar Kabir (the great ..) Abo Said Barsegh Ben Barsegh is founded in Khorram Abad and some tomb stones in Alshotr. This Dynasty was finally in the end of the sixth century driven from Luristan by the forefathers of Lur Kochek (Little Lur). The forefathers of Lur Kochek established a government that governed over Luristan of today and Ilam/Lur kochek. This dynasty was called Khorshidi after its ancestor Shoja al Din Khorshid (Khorshid=the sun). Khorshidi (who worked for the man in charge in Khozestan and Luristan Seldjoghian Hesam al Din Shoheli) was one of the leaders of the famous Djangroie tripe in Luristan. Therefore the word Attabak comes from Turkish, atta means father and bak or beg means great or big. From 570 to 1006 A.C. the dynasty of the Attabak Lur Kochek with their 24 kings rolled in Luristan. The famous kings were Shodja al Din, the establisher, Hesam al Din Khalil ( about 640 A.C.), and Malek Ezad al Din (750-804 A.C.). The dynasty of the Attabak Lur Kochek stayed in power against the Kharezmshahian, the Mongoles, the Teymourians, the Turcomans and the Safoy kings. The last king of Attabak Lur Kochek, Shahordi Khan was killed by Shah Abbas Safoie.

Luri is a Southwestern Iranian language spoken mainly by the Lur and Bakhtiari peoples of the Iranian provinces of Lorestan, Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari, Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad and parts of Khuzestan and Esfahan province and Fars provinces.

Refrences[edit]

  • Northern Luri at Ethnologue (17th ed., 2013)

Bakhtiari at Ethnologue (17th ed., 2013) Southern Luri at Ethnologue (17th ed., 2013)

  • Skjærvø, Prods Oktor (15 December 2006). "IRAN vi. IRANIAN LANGUAGES AND SCRIPTS". Encyclopaedia Iranica Online. New York: Columbia University. Retrieved 2010-05-23. "Lori (in several varieties) and Baḵtiāri... These are also called the “Perside” dialects."
  • a b http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/lori-dialects
  • Lecoq P. Les dialectes du sud-ouest de l'Iran // Compendium Linguarum Iranicarum. Wiesbaden, 1989.
  • a b c Erik John Anonby, "Update on Luri: How many languages?" // Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (Third Series), Volume 13, Issue 02, Jul 2003, pp 171–197
  • Case, Paul E. (1947). "I Became a Bakhtiari." National Geographic Magazine 91(3): 325-358.
  • Garthwaite, Gene R. (1983). Khans and Shahs: A Documentary Analysis of the Bakhtiyari in Iran. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
  • Garthwaite, Gene R. (1984). "Bakhtiari." In Muslim Peoples: A World Ethnographic Survey, edited by Richard V. Weekes, 81-84. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press.
  • Grimes, Barbara F., ed. (1988). Ethnologue: Languages of the World. Dallas: Summer Institute of Linguistics.
  • Johnson, Douglas L. (1969) The Nature of Nomadism: A Comparative Study of Pastoral Migrations in Southwestern Asia and Northern Africa. Chicago: University of Chicago, Department of Geography.
  • Amanolahi, Sekandar (1988). Tribes of Iran. Vol. 1, The Tribes of Luristan, Bakhtiarì, Kuh Gilu, and Mamasani. New Haven: Human Relations Area Files.
  • Barth, Fredrik (1960). "Nomadism in the Mountain and Plateau Areas of South West Asia." In Problems of the Arid Zone, 341-355. Proceedings of the Paris Symposium on the Problems of the Arid Zone (1960). Paris: UNESCO.
  • Eickelman, Dale E (1989). The Middle East: An Anthropological Approach. 2nd ed. Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall.
  • Fazel, G. Reza (1984). "Lur." In Muslim Peoples: A World Ethnographic Survey, edited by Richard V. Weekes, 446-451. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press.
  • Fazel, G. Reza (1985). "Lurs of Iran." Cultural Survival Quarterly 9(1): 65-69.
  • Grimes, Barbara F. (1988). Ethnologue: Languages of the World. Dallas: Summer Institute of Linguistics.
  • Speakers: ~9,000,000
  • Location(s) spoken: Western and south western of Iran ,Eastern Iraq.

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Luri is one of the three languages ​​most commonly used in Iran and more than 7 million people speak it so Lurish language need a wikipedia.--Setenlya (talk) 03:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Native speakers of Luri have the competency and willingness to contribute to this project in the long-term. Hence the Luri language deserves to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia along with the existing Northwestern Iranian language family such as Mazanderani, Gilaki, Kurdish and so on. --Jose77 (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern luri lrc is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language.Bonevarluri (talk) 14:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Luri has four main branches northern luri lrc,bakhtiari bqi,southern luri luz and kumezari zum and it has aproximately 10 milion speakers in iran and iraq124.248.237.130 14:20, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Luri has lot of branches such as bakhtiari , laki , feyli , kalhori , leko , mamsani , gapleh e , leiravi , brazjuni , karuni , maki , solasi , kumzari . so it should have an own Wikipedia among other languages. luri languages has 17 million native spekers. I wish it soon...--Ali saki lorestani (talk) 13:22, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Luri is one of the big and main langauges of our country Iran. Although it is closer to Persian than other languages are (like Kurdish or Azeri), but is classified as an independent language. Being close to Persian has put it in more danger of being assimilated into Persian, so I think it's very important and helpful that they have their own wikipedia. موسا (talk)
  • luri language is a oldest iranian language that is related to persian language.many words of persian or pahlavi language can see is kuri language.
    luri langage was been language of pahle or jebal.in this language many word of kurdish and persian language is exsit.,ولی (talk)
  • If 100 percent of the MW messages are translated there should be no arguments to wait longer. ‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 21:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Support--Calak (talk) 12:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support-- luri has 10 milions speakers in iran, oman, kuwait, iraq and other location in the world, this language has very rich literature and needs has his own wikipediaSajadlor (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support I wholeheardedly support it! -- Mirzali (talk) 17:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support--Marmase (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Support very active --Kaiyr (talk) 09:02, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Support I'm a lur with laki language laks in iran are lur people luri has many branches please help to create this wikiLakzowan (talk) 11:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Arguments against[edit]

In contrast to Bakhtiyari, Lurish has much more native speakers, but actually variants of it are diverse and many of them won't understand easily other speakers unless mixing persian in lieu of it --Parthava 01:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • It has no official writing system and nothing published in Lurish. (correct me if I'm wrong) Nima Farid (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

luri has one officiall writing system it's loor writing system and this is a sample of this writing system[1] and luri has published text as like as [2] and [3] and [4] and more books are published in luri language branches this books are publishde in bqi or bakhtiari that it's branch of luri languagelrc lori (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

localisation information[edit]

  • Currently 100% of the [5] have been translated into lurish.

Veritably test project is verity and verify[edit]

this testproject is verify and verity, luri lrc wiki inucubator [[6]] [[7]] Mehramooz (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)