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Requests for new languages (Wikipedia South Azerbaijani)

submitted verification final decision Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

Proposal summary
Language details: azerbaijani (آذربایجانی, azb ISO 639-3) Editing community: ??? List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: development wiki project External links:
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South Azerbaijan has change and southazerbaijan people can not participate in azerbaijani wikipedia.

Arguments in favour

1. Support We want to have southazerbaijan wikipedia.--Southazerbaijan 20:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Support E THP (talk) 14:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
3. Support --Elph (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
4. Support قاسم منصور (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
5. Support Tilimxanli (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
6. Support -- Supermæn (talk) 13:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
7. Support--Baskervill 09:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Arguments against

• Oppose This proposal does not conform to the Language proposal policy and a similar request has been rejected before. Currently wikipedia in Azerbaijani language is functioning and both written forms are being used. --TimBits 00:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The rejection was prior to the start of the language committee. When South Azerbaijani is indeeed sufficiently different, it should be accepted. When you state that "both written forms" are used, it does not make clear that you are indeed talking about South Azerbaijani. Thanks, GerardM 12:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
    • South Azerbaijani refers to Azerbaijani language written in Perso-Arabic script, as it is used in Iran. Languages written with multiple scripts are incorporated under one project, according to the above sited policy and it has been done in the current Azerbaijani language wikipedia. In fact, the previous request has not been rejected, it was cancelled. But it wouldn't be allowed in the first place, if the policy was in affect when the request was made, which applies to the current request too. --TimBits 06:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
    • The split of Azerbaijani in parts is not in two but in five. Consequently it is not only but also about South Azerbaijani. Would you consider these other three also part of the az domain ? Thanks, GerardM 12:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
      • That's the way ethnologue prefers to divide. But linguistics is not an exact scince. There may be certain justifications for such division, I don't know, but there are several shortcomings too. For example these are treated as five equal varities of one language. In fact other three exist because of geographical reasons, speakers of these varieties are geographically separated from the main body of Azerbaijani speakers. But North Azerbaijani and South Azerbaijani are not separated as such and there is a gradual shift in dialect. Both have subdialects and one can compare two particular dialects, but it is impossible to compare North Azerbaijani as whole to South Azerbaijani. Dialects that are across the border are closer to each other than they are to other dialects within their side. Therefore, there is only one feature that can be objectively applied to these varities as a whole and that is one uses Arabic based script, while the other uses Latin based one. --TimBits 02:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand of South Azeri a new Wikipedia isn't needed. Is it possible however to implement automatic conversion? Like is done on kk: and tg:?--Htgns 21:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose i'm from southern azerbaijan and aktiv user in Azerbaijan wikipedia's. south and north azerbaijanies are equal. My page in azwiki.People of the South understand the both alphabet.in the azerbaijan wikipedia is used both alfabet.--Turk oğlan 22:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

i'm from southern azerbaijan and activ user in Azerbaijan wikipedia's. south and north azerbaijanies are equal. My page in azwiki.--Axan.bulut 11:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose--Sortilegus 14:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose It is one and the same language, why do we need 2 wikis for the same language? Grandmaster 19:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose We have the Kurdish Wikipedia functioning in Roman and Arabic scripts, we have the Tajik Wikipedia functioning in Cyrillic and Roman scripts, why can't the Azerbaijani Wikipedia function in Roman and Arabic scripts too? The script is the only substantial difference between varieties of Azerbaijani spoken in the Caucasus and Iran. Parishan 02:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose--Reality006 23:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose...where is south azerbaijan?!?you mean iranian azerbaijan?--Iroony 16:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
• OpposeSouth Azerbaijani is a part of Azerbaijani language. Why do we need 2 wikis for the same language?...iranian azerbaijan is south azerbaijan --Cuman 15:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose-- Based on what Language subcommittee said for Montenegrin language: "Wikis should not be split along political lines. And Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information from individual political communities." The two dialects of Azeri only have little difference in vocabulary but they are one language therefore the language policy allows for only one Wikipedia for a language--Companionship 07:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
• oppose. I see no reason to create second azerbaidjanian wikipedia when existing wiki is poor quality. ~ Чръный человек 12:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I see nothing wrong with az:wiki to warrant a split Wikipedia like this, nor do I see much of a difference in language. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose --Cekli829 07:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Please attantion to [1] and [2] --Ebrahimi-amir 05:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose --N KOzi^Talk 06:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose --U.Steele 19:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Most of Iranian Azarbayjani people can speak persian (Farsi), it's not necessary. --Faramarz^reply 10:23, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose--Verman1 12:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm from South Azerbaijan, and I think that all Turkic languages like Azerbaijani and Turkish are the same; so let alone Azerbaijani! Wikipedia must be able to convert the both scripts of Azerbaijani Turkic to each other. For instant you can use the solution of site like kocurge.com or software as AzConvert in wikipedia. --KiViki 07:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose --Irada 11:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose--Arslanteginghazi 05:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose It's same language. Second wiki for Azerbaijani language is unnecessary.--PPerviz 12:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose--Erdemaslancan 12:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Localisation update

• Currently 0.00% of the most used MediaWiki messages have been localised. Localisation of these messages is a requirement before your request is finally assessed. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, 12:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)