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Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Southern Sami)

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Contents 1 Southern Sami Wikipedia 1.1 Statistics 1.2 Arguments in favour 1.3 Arguments against 1.4 General discussion

Proposal summary
Language details: Southern Sami (Åarjelsaemien, sma ISO 639-3)
Users interested in forming an editing community: Add N beside users that are native speakers, and P beside the original proposers' names. Max sonnelid (P)
Relevant pages: development wiki project
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The Southern Sami language speaks in a very computer-densely area and talking of ca 500 persons.

[edit] Statistics

• Pages: 121
  • Articles: 71
  • Project: 5
  • Categories: 3
  • Templates: 27
  • Redirect: 15
• Localization: 33.16%
  • Most used: 72.38%
  • Mediawiki extentions: 0.17%

09:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments in favour

1. Support The Southern Sami language is endangered if we start a wikipedia in Southern Sami so come the language's status be strongly. Max sonnelid 20:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Support This is a good idea that starting a Wikipedia on Southern Sami. Saemien 08:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
3. In a devoted community within a densely-computered area (as western Europe is) 500 speakers can be enough.
4. Support The wiki have over 50 articles and the localization is near 30 %, so its a good idea. M.M.S. 18:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
5. Support The southern sami wikipedia have over 70 articles.
   • You said that before, you don't have to update the counter under the "support" heading every time you pass a new barrier ;-). Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 14:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments against

• Until it can be shown that this is actually quality Southern Sámi, I'd have to say I'm against it (see Krihke's remark below). -80.221.26.34 00:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC) (Yupik)
• I see no chance for a Southern Saami community, large enough to sustain a wikipedia, forming. --MiCkE^d_b 21:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] General discussion

Since there are only appr. 500 people who speak this language, building an encyclopaedia in it is a highly ambitious goal. Since this proposal did not come from a native speaker, I doubt that it will lead anywhere, just like Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Greenlandic or Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Elfdalian, filed by the same user. Please don't file proposals, unless you are really serious and ready to invest some time and energy. --Johannes Rohr 08:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

What he said - I'm a student of South Sámi, and even though I'm far from being proficient, I can clearly see that the main page's text is a total dictionary-translated mess. The Wikipedia needs at least one editor who can speak it somewhat proficiently. Krihke 15:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

As someone who works on the Northern Sámi Wikipedia, I can't believe that this wiki will actually ever come about. Even though we have more than 2500 articles, most of them are stubs or ministubs and the Sámi in articles is not up to snuff in spite of the fact it has a heck of a lot more speakers. To be frank, I doubt that any of the smaller languages will get their wikis off the ground without the help of funding since the communities already have enough on their plate without having to stretch their meager resources even thinner to accommodate a wiki project on top of everything else. If non-native users (and users whose skills aren't on a native level) want to create wikis, someone is going to have to be paid to proofread the texts as there is no check-and-balance system involved in the smaller language wikis due to a lack of resources. Sorry for the pessimism, as I sincerely hope that the situation would turn around, but I don't believe it will. -80.221.26.34 19:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC) (Yupik from the Northern Sámi Wikipedia)

I start the translating of localization-files. Max sonnelid 15:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

25% localization. Max sonnelid 11:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you speak the language well enough to start localisating? --OosWesThoesBes 18:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

A Wikipedia in a language with less than a thousand speakers is unprecedented, if we exclude the Manx Wikipedia (Manx, being the subject of a revival movement, is uncomparable to regular living languages). However, with the recent birth of the Saterfrisian Wikipedia, it can hardly be said to be improbable or unfeasable anymore. If mr. Sonnelid manages to find only two native or near-native speakers that keep contributing for a considerable time, the case can be settled, especially when they translate the interface. Everywhere in Europe, small endangered languages are the subject of unprecedented cultivation; from my own experience I know a Wikipedia is a helpful tool in such initiatives and the results are often highly admirable, giving the Wikipedia a special added value that other, larger ones don't have. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 18:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have talking with a society of the Southern Sami language (Hemnes Samiske Forening) and them is intressing at starting an Southern Sami Wikipedia. Max sonnelid 08:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)