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[edit] Standard Zazaki Wikipedia
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- Number of speakers: Estimated somewhere between 2 - 4 million.
- Locations spoken: Mostly in eastern Turkey, Germany, and Sweden
- Related languages:en:Iranian languages
- related pages: diq.wikipedia, kiu.wikipedia
- Keskin, Mesut. (2008) "Zur dialektalen Gliederung des Zazaki" Der Johann-Wolfgang-von-Goethe-Universität [1]
- Paul, Ludwig. (1998) "The Position of Zazaki Among West Iranian languages" University of Hamburg,[2].
- Paul, Ludwig. (1998) "Zazaki: Grammatik und Versuch einer Dialektologie" Georg August-Universität (Göttingen) [3]
- Selcan, Zülfü. (1998) "Grammatik der Zaza-Sprache" Technische Universität Berlin, [4]
- Lynn Todd, Terry. (1985) "A Grammar of Dimili" University of Michigan,[5].
- Gippert, Jost. (1996) "Historical Development of Zazaki" Frankfurt University,[6].
- Gajewski, Jon. (2003) "Evidentiality in Zazaki" Massachusetts Institute of Technology,[7].
- Larson, Richard. and Yamakido, Hiroko. (2006) "Zazaki as Double Case-Marking" Stony Brook University and University of Arizona,[8].
[edit] Arguments in favour
- Support : Developed by the Zazaki Institute[1] throughout years of research, taking into account all Zazaki dialects. This standardized Zazaki language is indispensable as the language of science and is very important for understanding among all Zazas. Standard Zazaki is a standardized written form of Zazaki as developed by the Zazaki Institute based on the common ground of all dialects. The Zazaki Institute is seated in Germany. The standard form is already written in diq .wikipedia and will be applied in the Zazaish periodical Miraz. The alphabet which Zazaki Institute uses is established since 1992 and acknowledged by many other periodicals, too. Until the early 90ies were all minority languages in Turkey officially banned, including the Zazaish language. Since the Zazas yet also don’t have their own television, the language heritage was orally transmitted. Albeit later by folk songs and some magazines the native language was more widespread, but it is not enough. Therefore the Internet offers a good opportunity to fill this gap. --Mirzali 23:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- Support - I support wholeheartedly the wikipedia project for Standarized Zazaki language. --Erdemaslancan 11:45, 30 October 2011(UTC)
- Support - I support wholeheartedly the wikipedia project for Standarized Zazaki language. --Zazabewran 11:23, 31 October 2011(UTC)
- Support - I support it. In today's time no language can conserve itself without a standard writing. The Zazaki-Institute Frankfurt has created a common phonetic and grammer with the analaysing of Zazakis etymology (it was using 32 scientic sources, like Paul Horn, Cheung etc.). No region was preferred, it collected the most original variants of all regions.
As example, there are these variants for the word "tongue" in Zazaki: zıwan, zıwen, zıwon, jüan, jian, zan, zon, zun
Zazaki Institute has decided that "zıwan" is the most original version of the word and has taken it to the standard. --Omed Veşnosıpê 11:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Support Omed Veşnosıpê made it clear. I fully support. --Veritas-tr 19:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Arguments against
- Oppose - If this project is accepted, it will be third wikipedia which is controlled by Mirzali. Same person creates what he wants. He is not linguist. Why should we support? There is no user (just Mirzali) even in diq: project. Because, it works as Mirzali's kingdom. I can speak zazaki but i cant contribute there. He can block us when he wants, as he did in the past. Btw, this proposal was rejected before. I dont believe that, this project will help zazaki language. it will be same as diq:
and kiu: projects.--Gomada (talk) 14:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] General discussion
Someone who allegedly speaks Zazaki, has so many contributes (See here!). A Kurd (Gomada) who claims, that he can't contribute because of my alleged hindrance. Isn't that ridiculous? However, he is an active contributor in the Kurdish Wikipedia (See here!). Isn't that funny! It is obvious that he is only bluffing. I myself am not a dictator. Because many people can't speak, write and read Zazaki well, they just blame me out of jealousy, that I stand up so eager for my mother tongue. Someone who would be good in Zazaki, why should I prevent him from contributing? On the contrary, I'm happy and I appreciate every good review. All other arguments against me are far fetched and are polemical, political disputes. Zazaki is an independent language and not a so-called Kurdish dialect. -- Mirzali (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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- You wanna see something funny? You have blocked me just for 3 contributions. Here is the proof. I will not contribute until you use correct Zazaki Alphabet. All zaza authors and linguists use that alphabet. But, Mirzali tries to divide zaza people and use some turkified alphabet. Why i should support your work? You are so funny that, you deny your people's reality. If you are a better zaza than Malmisanij or Munzur Çem, then prove it! You will tell that, they betray to Zazaism? :) --Gomada (talk) 18:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
- Someone who denies my ethnic identity and devalues my native language as a dialect, I can not take those seriously. The supposedly scientific evidence has been growing on your political crap. This includes the people you mentioned. Zazas are a separate ethnic group and Zazaki is an independent language, with its own dialects, vocabulary, grammar and alphabet. Everything else is just pushing politically, that's all behind it. The dream is of a large Kurdistan, so they want to count us Zazas also belong to it. I am talking here primarily about the language and culture rather than political debate. So everybody should mind his own business, instead of misleading the public with false statements. --Mirzali (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- Funny old man (: You should answer to questions instead of protecting your own ideas. ;) By the way, there is a sentence at Zazas article. Almost all speakers of the Zaza language consider themselves as Kurds and they are often counted as such by international statistics and surveys as part of the Kurdish people. i think, thats enough. There is no need to waste my time with you.--Gomada (talk) 10:32, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Someone who denies my ethnic identity and devalues my native language as a dialect, I can not take those seriously. The supposedly scientific evidence has been growing on your political crap. This includes the people you mentioned. Zazas are a separate ethnic group and Zazaki is an independent language, with its own dialects, vocabulary, grammar and alphabet. Everything else is just pushing politically, that's all behind it. The dream is of a large Kurdistan, so they want to count us Zazas also belong to it. I am talking here primarily about the language and culture rather than political debate. So everybody should mind his own business, instead of misleading the public with false statements. --Mirzali (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- You wanna see something funny? You have blocked me just for 3 contributions. Here is the proof. I will not contribute until you use correct Zazaki Alphabet. All zaza authors and linguists use that alphabet. But, Mirzali tries to divide zaza people and use some turkified alphabet. Why i should support your work? You are so funny that, you deny your people's reality. If you are a better zaza than Malmisanij or Munzur Çem, then prove it! You will tell that, they betray to Zazaism? :) --Gomada (talk) 18:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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