Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Polish 2

Polish Wikiversity

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Requests for new languages (Wikiversity Polish 2)

submitted verification final decision This language has been verified as eligible. The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page. (See an unofficial analysis of this request.)

Proposal summary
Language details: Polish (język polski or polszczyzna, pol ISO639-3) Editing community: —Cysioland 20:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC) N —Marcin Łukasz Kiejzik 02:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC) N List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: — External links: —
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Arguments in favour

• --Ilaria - scrivimi 19:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• --Cysioland - Talk with me 14:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC) - And let the nations hath outsiders know that Poles are not geese, that their language are
• Arturo1299 15:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
  • This is not a vote. What arguments do you have? Wojciech Pędzich Talk 06:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Already complements:) Brew that the Polish Wikiversity would be very necessary because it already operates in several languages ​​and I think that should be created. Arturo1299 17:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
      • There are a couple of things which we have not imported into Poland and Polish culture, and I will not enumerate them. I seriously doubt that you have any valid subject matter arguments supporting pl.wikiversity. Wojciech Pędzich Talk 17:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Arguments against

• With all due respect to the creators of this idea... I consider that Wikiversity in Polish might be open if Polish Wikibooks (which is devoted to the creation of educational materials / coursebooks) was bursting in its seams and wanting to get out of its limitations and explore wider areas. For now, I do not see this potential. I also do not see a big activity in the incubator - 21 pages does not seem like a good start, or any start at all, to be thinking of moving content into own domain - most are meta pages, some (like this one make me wonder if this is really appropriate content for a wikiversity. Last, but not least, and forgive me for being rude and harsh to the extreme, please try to gather users who understand the principle of constructing learning resources and programmes and get the Incubator project really going before applying for a domain. I am far from judging people by their age and education, but primary education level seems a bit too early to be thinking about developing learning curricula, although I can be terribly wrong. Wojciech Pędzich Talk 19:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• No significant content on beta to back this request. There should be at least a dozen of representative pages first. A page created as a result of machine translation is not a convincing example. Beau (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• User:Wpedzich has changed my thinking. Sub-page on Polish Wikibooks is better idea. Wikiczolna 19:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• No need for yet another dead project Bulwersator 14:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
• Agrees with others. Just get a community for existing projects Vibhijain 15:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Other discussion

• The proposal was entered in the Requests for new languages and referred to the previous request. As it is a new request, I have started in this blank form. GerardM 14:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• At this time 100% of the MediaWiki messages and 91,06% of the messages used in extensions used by the WMF have been localised.. GerardM 14:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Opening Polish Wikiversity as sub-site of Wikibooks can be good idea but I think we should discuss about it on Polish Wikis. Discussion on Polish e.g Wikipedia will let more people tell their thoughts about it. I've gonna start discussion on Bar on Meta. Wikiczolna 19:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Fine. What I am arguing here is that you've probably decided to go ahead with this request with lack of preparation. Just wanting a project is not enough, because you will be wanting a project for a project's sake and nothing more. Polish Wikiversity, if it is to be opened, should be a living project, with potential for growth. And this is exactly what my experience tells me is not happening. Also, this is why I am referring to Wikibooks, which should be much bigger and better developed if we are to think about a Wikiversity. By all means, go ahead with the discussion, but make sure you: 1) recruit good people for the cause, such that know how to build learning programmes, 2) have them create some good-quality content at the Incubator (machine translations are out through the window as far as I am concerned; I will never accept them until machines get as good as humans at translating and it is a long way to go), 3) keep these good-quality people interested in running the project. Wojciech Pędzich Talk 19:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • You're right. But I think other users should tell their thoughts. I również uważam, że takie tłumaczenia najlepiej widzieć za oknem. But, as User:Cysioland wrote it: I niechaj narodowie wżdy postronni znają... Wikiczolna 19:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
      • OK, ale proszę przygotujcie projekt przed tym, jak rzucicie sie do głosowania. Cytat Reja jest tu kompletnie nie na miejscu, bo z niego wnioskuję, ze chcemy pouprawiać sztukę dla sztuki. Miejsce, które wybraliście do dyskusji nie jest przeznaczone na sondowanie i wyrażanie opinii - ta strona ma udowodnić, czy istnieje grupa która w sposób udany stworzy materiał Wikiwersytetu na własnej domenie. I niestety nie udowadniacie tego. (OK, but please prepare the project before you sumbit it to the next vote. A quotation from Rej is completely out of place, because it makes me conclude that we want to be practicing art for art's sake. The place you've chosen for discussion isn't meant for a general talk and opinion gathering - it is a page which is to prove if there is a group that will run a Wikiversity on an own domain. And you've failed to prove so.) Wojciech Pędzich Talk 19:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)