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The 2010-11 confirmation will begin on February 7, and will finish on February 28th.

The 2010-11 steward elections are a good opportunity to check if we are still happy with our current stewards. To make the process as smooth as possible, here is how things are organized.

To comment, please log in with an account that has edits (on any wiki) before February 1st 2010. During the 2010 elections, please mention if you are unhappy with one of the persons listed below and why. For example, you may mention inactivity or negative behaviour. Inactive stewards, as stated in the steward policies, will lose their steward access.

At the end of the elections, the current and newly elected stewards will consider complaints left on this page, and choose to remove stewardship as necessary taking into account both the comments left by community and their own perspective and understanding of the job. All stewards will go through this process after each election.

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  • Personal info: Steward since last election, I work with the requests on SRP. I hope can help the wikiprojects more this year. Thanks.

Comments about Alexanderps[edit]

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  • Personal info: I have not been doing much lately, and to be honest that isn't very likely to change soon; still, it might. If people find that too little, I can accept it. On the other hand, I think I'm still trusted, and every little bit of help is help. And I do promise to do what I do the best I can, even if it is little.

Comments about Andre Engels[edit]

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  • Personal info: Personal info: Hi ! Although my steward related activities have been very light in the last year, I am still interested in keeping steward access. I'm currently struggling to start professional activities, so my involvement in steward stuff has been limited. But I'm still motivated and involved through the chapter in particular. I'll be happy to keep those access, but I would also fully understand (but regret :)) if removed due to my limited activity.

Comments about Anthere[edit]

  • I count two steward actions within the last year. If this is true, I respectfully move to remove as inactive per policy, though she's still quite a valued Wikimedian. The foundation is encouraged to add Anthere to an internally-run group (such as Staff) if an exception is warranted. If there are more than ten actions (and I may well be missing some, such as deletion review) please let me know so I can modify this opinion. Kylu 02:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately, inactive. Pmlineditor  07:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive. --WizardOfOz talk 10:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove, sorry, but only 2 steward actions after last confirmation. —Innv {ru-ws} 10:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Inactive. Doesn't need the tools -> remove. -Barras talk 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hardly any activity, so I'm afraid I must say remove. I do agree with Lar about benefiting from your expertise, but I think you simply are too inactive. (Especially if Kylu's right about the two steward actions.) --Erwin 14:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps we need a "steward emeritus" role, folk who left without controversy/in good standing, and who can still stay on the mailing list so we can benefit from their insight and advice, but who no longer have the bit itself? ++Lar: t/c 14:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I like that idea. --Daniel Mayer (mav) 14:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Me too. I'd like to add that Angela and Anthere were only active in the earliest days and their memory and experience is valuable. --Aphaia 12:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • inactive - so adios! We have too little active Stewarts but so much users think beacuase of Stewards like you we have enough. Marcus Cyron 17:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • she told she wants to be active but she couldn't find anything to do , anyway i would be happy to see you as a active steward but till then i have to say remove --Mardetanha talk 17:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Basically inactive. Rights are granted for the benefit of the community, when they ceased to be used to any degree they can be removed --Herby talk thyme 09:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • totally inactive, remove (sadly) --FiliP ██ 11:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. Obelix 11:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • spectacular person who has given a lot to the foundation and its projects (and likely will continue to do so). However, it appears that she doesn't really need the tools and I would tend to say it is better to remove them for now. James (T C) 23:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive, remove. Razorflame 07:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep - Waerth 16:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC) - After everything Anthere has done this is the way she gets treated? Everyone should be ashamed of themselves![reply]
  • Keep, I'm sure we can find work for her. bastique demandez! 23:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep - my view in general is that keeping onboard trustworthy people who have for some time been less active but are willing to continue using steward tools even when used very sparingly, will eventually lead to a greater evolutionary diversity in the stewards group. such diversity is essential, not only of talents or knowledge, but also variety of experience and number of years of service. with all respect, we don't want a uniform group of hyperactives solely, nor is there need of an overthrow of some sort of government, there is none here, since stewards do not rule. so let's keep such experience onboard where we can. in my philosophy, extended-rights communities should always be kept growing on a healthy wiki. please stay onboard by being/becoming sufficiently active (see current policy which sets the limits, but can use some updating as well imo). the case of anthere is special as well, and i know from experience how energy and time-consuming wmf board-work is, and that one really needs time to recover and pick up old and new routines and work again. oscar 00:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep - turstworthy enough -- ※   JéRRy   ┼   雨雨   ※  16:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • if outside life is the priority, make it so, revel in that, the requirement of stewardship is to have a requisite level of activity to meet the needs of the community. The only person who can tell us whether that is capable of being fulfilled is the steward. If you think that what you do matters, and meets the requirement, then you have my support to continue. billinghurst sDrewth 13:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep -FASTILY (TALK) 22:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. She wants to keep being steward. This is good enough reason for me :) --Millosh 13:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per Bastique (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 02:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, any choice will be okay ultimately :-) Perhaps I need to explain why I wish to keep steward access. Some months ago, when I decided not to run again for elections, it was also out of true exhaustion. I needed a break and a very serious one. I feel much better now. But I also need to run like crazy to get again my own life in a working condition (well, such as earning money) and that's a tough one. I kept a few activities in wikimedia related world because I still want to help. But to be fair, that's less than I wish I would do. Last time I went on Commons, I was completely lost within the new rules for deletion and I ran away after a dozen deletions because I was told three times in a row that I should do it this way, not that way, but specifically like this and not like that. I felt completely out of it. A few times, I came to the steward page and felt similarly paralyzed and out of fear of just not doing it the *right* way, I decided to not do anything. I honestly wonder if other oldbies do not feel the same :))) I feel a bit stretched between the idea that I should just do as Angela and completely drop the whole idea of helping in that area (and that would possibly be more reasonable ?), but having the fear that when (if) I want to help again in that area, I will just not be able to do it, and I *know* that I will be too lazy to go again through the entire process to be reelected. It feels like "giving up". To be fair, perhaps the best comment above is the one from Bastique: "Keep, I'm sure we can find work for her." Yeah, what can I be useful for ? Meanwhile... all my thanks to ALL active stewards that help things working properly. Anthere
    But, Anthere, when you say A few times, I came to the steward page and felt similarly paralyzed and out of fear of just not doing it the *right* way, I decided to not do anything., why didn't you simply ask if something was unclear? You really don't need to be ashamed for asking other stewards if you don't know what to do or how. ;o) We are there to help, you know. :) And actually, if you do something wrong, it can always be undone, explained and fixed. We are not on Commons, you won't get shouted on if you don't do things the "right way" after a longer break. ;) --თოგო (D) 00:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Believe it or not... I am easily "not bold". Back in 2001... it took me a full month before daring to do my first edit :) Anthere
    Anthere, we don't need you for the stray bit flip or rename or global account lock or what have you. We need you for your experience, going way back, so that when we float new ideas on the mailing list you can say "we tried that in 2006 and here's what happened", and when we try to figure out thorny problems, or review policy implications, you can share your expertise with us. That's far more important than bit flipping. IMHO anyway. ++Lar: t/c 16:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough, and for your question, that was exactly what I felt when I was back to meta from my several month long wikibreak, and that was mainly why I didn't ask for granting the permission I had lost during my break (it had been just few days ago I came back, lol) ... so Keep stay here, I sure bet you find yourself again quite comfortable and familiar in months or even in weeks, just I'm feeling so again. --Aphaia 02:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per Millosh. Kropotkine 113 08:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per Anthere's explanation. --Daniel Mayer (mav) 01:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Will Beback 09:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks okay.--Caspian blue 05:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep trustworthy user, her experience is a valuable asset we should not refuse. Lechatjaune 10:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove Sorry, inactive. Thanks for your hard work, but I think it's time to move on. Majorly talk 22:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove. Inactive. SM ** =^^= ** 21:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep--Bertrand GRONDIN – Talk 23:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep Two actions are more than one, and I'm not sure I find inactivity to be a very good reason for removal anyways. Anthere can clearly be trusted as a Steward. I don't see how the various projects benefit from a removal in this case. JoshuaZ 02:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove – per Kylu and Lar. Too inactive. --Geitost diskusjon 03:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm Institutional memory serves, and past history of exemplary service. Thank you for continuing. NonvocalScream 00:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep I agree with Joshua. If Anthere wants to remain a steward, that's good enough for me. Sarah 04:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive. Prodego talk 06:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Anthere has always provided a level head around the project, and I'd like her to be a steward for that reason alone. SlimVirgin (talk) 13:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm afraid you will be still inactive, since you write statment you didn't make any steward action. LeinaD (t) 16:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep. Jayjg 19:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Personal info: Hi all. Although my non-staff steward related activities have been light in the last year, (thanks to my staff responsibilities)--I am still active with multiple projects and am available on demand for steward-related functions. I maintain an interest in stewardship and am current on steward procedures (actively read the email list and am in constant contact with other stewards).

Comments about Bastique[edit]

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  • Personal info: I have been a steward since Dec 2006. I am currently in the final semester of a MA Anthropology program. This has consumed most of my time for the past year and a half and will likely leave me with little free time until May. After May, I hope to resume a reasonable activity level.

Comments about Cspurrier[edit]

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  • Personal info: My general statement isn't that different from last year's : as a steward, I sometimes make a few mistakes but I think I'm not doing a bad work overall.
    For those not aquainted to me yet:
    • My home wiki is frwiki, the french Wikipedia. I arrived in nov. 2004 and became a sysop there in march 2005. I also worked there as a bureaucrat for 3 years (jun 2006 - sep. 2009) but gave up the bit so I could spend more time on other things.
    • I manage a bot named Loveless (see [2] and [3])
    • I became steward at end of 2006. I don't really do steward requests on wiki but rather use my availability time to take care of the emergency people tells us of on IRC (#wikimedia-stewards), which mainly consist of blocking vandals on wiki not having active sysops (sometimes blocking them globally if they go cross-wiki) and often help repair the damage they did. My public steward activities (everything but Oversight and Checkuser) are viewable on this page ; those local to meta (like right changes) on this one.

Comments about Darkoneko[edit]

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  • Personal info: Hi folks! I would like to continue working as a steward. Because of my studies in RL I unfortunally could not be as active during the last year as I would have liked to. But I tried to be frequently available on IRC to help out esp. on #cvn-unifications and #wikimedia-stewards. Concerning the first one I mostly did oversight related stuff, also as temporary oversight on frwiki. On the other hand, I managed those requests which were taken to the steward channel; in this context I'd like to thank all those helpers! All in all I did about 2,000 logged steward actions on meta during the last year, and highly likely even more sysop and esp. oversight actions on local wikis which I haven't counted but can be partially seen in the stats. Kind regards, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments about DerHexer[edit]

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  • Personal info: I've been serving as steward for 3 years, among several other roles, and like every year I come here to ask your comments about my steward work and comments on how could I perform my duties better. If you have comments about my other roles, they're also (as always) appreciated but I'd request you to leave them on my talk page instead. Finally, if by any chance (even if unlikely) you think I've done good work, please don't keep it to you, as I will also appreciate kind works of support.

Comments about Drini[edit]

huh? what are those fancy strange things? es:Drini 22:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Personal info: Even though I've been less active in 2009 than in 2008, I think I've had enough steward actions to still be considered active. In my opinion, I've done a relatively good job in the past two years, so I'd like to keep my steward rights, if the community agrees. I'm usually hanging on IRC and most of the times I'm ready to help out. --FiliP ██ 00:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments about Dungodung[edit]

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  • Personal info: In the past while, I have not been very active, although I do think I have maintained a level of sufficient activity to be useful. I do admit however that sometimes as a result of this lower activity I do not know all ins and outs of policy and technical ways, so I need to look up more than in the past.

    I realize I have been a pain in the ass sometimes to other stewards when being persistant on how the rules were intended, what the agreements / conditions were when software changes were made and rights added etc, and some might consider that unproductive. I consider it guarding the principles.

    I would not mind a lot if my stewardship would not be confirmed, it is not something I aspire hugely, if people think I am not active enough to know the ins and outs of the technical side.

Comments about Effeietsanders[edit]

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  • Personal info: I've been a steward since last year's elections. During the past year I mostly spent time on SWMT work and the various Meta request pages. I could usually be found idling in #wikimedia-stewards as well. I enjoyed working with other stewards and SWMT members and I'd like to continue doing so this year.

Comments about Erwin[edit]

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  • Personal info: Hi. I am not a super-active steward (especially since I was hired by the Wikimedia Foundation) but I think my help is appreciated nonetheless. As part of my work, I am always on IRC/IM and I follow the appropriate communication channels such as the stewards mailing list.

Comments about guillom[edit]

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Comments about Jusjih[edit]

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  • Personal info: I am an active steward, though on wikibreak as an editor to give myself time for school. I am typically online from 6p-2a EST and reachable via Meta, E-Mail, IRC, and can be reached via other means through trusted users in the event of an emergency. I consider my primary steward duties to be permissions, anti-vandalism work, and handling deletion and rename requests for smaller projects.
    (Tool results: recentlogs, luxo's tool, sulutil)

Comments about Kylu[edit]

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  • Personal info: Have been steward since last years election, sysop on nowiki and nowikiquote. Online on #wikimedia-stewards most of the day, like the people I'm working with, would like to continue as a steward.

Comments about Laaknor[edit]


Lar will be a member of the Ombudsman Commission for the coming year. This reconfirmation is your chance to comment on Lar's contributions over the last year, and will apply to him regaining the steward tools at the end of that term.

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  • Personal info: I became a steward after the December 2007 election. I also hold admin rights on en:wp, Commons, and Meta (I gave it up on en:ws), 'crat on commons and meta, CU on en:wp, commons and meta, and oversight on Commons. I think I've been fairly active at the various steward tasks, and I have plans to continue doing so. I welcome your feedback.

Comments about Lar[edit]

Note: I've addressed some concerns raised here. ++Lar: t/c 02:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm² for I think that we're commenting about his steward word. Wikimedians usually fulfill several roles and we should keep in mind that they're not the same. Maybe on enwiki he's had problems. So perhaps he should be sanctioned there (perhaps). But as steward he's been flawless and therefore he shouldn't be denied the confirmation.

    To make the example a bit more extreem, this is like saying he shouldn't get confirmed as stewards000 because he made a bad judgement on FA discussions. As a matter of fact, he shouldn't be "stewarding" on enwiki, so saying "I disagree on his BLP views therefore I vote oppose as steward" is a non sequitur. Please do focus on the issue at hand. We're evaluating his steward work, not his enwiki community behaviour. Sometimes this kind of issues make me believe I do the right thing trying to edit as little there, as people get very sensitive and use anything against you). es:Drini 16:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - per above posters who addressed his extreme rudeness and abuse of CU tools. I have unfortunately encountered both myself. Crum375 16:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let me add that, since some people mention BLP as an issue, I happen to share Lar's view about BLP. Unfortunately, the way he behaved while presenting his view alienated many editors and made that position harder to defend, so I stayed out of the debate. Crum375 11:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove I'm aware of two incidents related to Lar's handling of private information which in light of the other concerns expressed above suffice for me to oppose this reconfirmation, though I'm open to reconsider if satisfiable explanations are given.

    1. en:Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/SlimVirgin-Lar: here it's helpful to make some digging beyond the final decision. Regarding en:Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/SlimVirgin-Lar/Proposed_decision#Breach_of_privacy, I cite the proposed finding: "Lar disclosed data derived from page logs, in circumstances in which none of the situations permitting disclosure applied. This constituted a breach of the privacy policy.". This was supported by three arbitrators, none opposed, but couldn't pass because arbitrators found it was not within their jurisdiction to rule on privacy policy violations (instead, it was up to the Wikimedia Ombudsman Commission...). Nonetheless, arbitrators passed a remedy (link): "The Committee reminds all operators of the CheckUser tool that it is imperative that they make every effort to abide strictly by the Wikimedia Foundation Privacy Policy at all times." (passed 7 to 0). From this, it seems clear to me that arbitrators found the handling of private information by Lar in this matter 'suboptimal', to the point of breaching the privacy policy, even if the uses of the checkuser tools themselves were found within acceptable range of CU discretion. From reading Newyorkbrad's additional statement, I can see it was not excessively 'bad' but still concerning. Plus, the characterisation of the situation by Lar above doesn't seem genuine at all, in any case misleading.
    2. I've stumbled across another incident, to which I've seen no satisfactory explanation and that I find quite concerning. This happened here (scroll down to the suppressed edits): Lar, while in dispute with David Shankbone, posted on his talk page, and got responded but the whole discussion was removed and suppressed (oversighted) by Keegan. It seems to me that stewards should know when not to post material that may need to be oversighted or even might lead to a conversation requiring oversight.

    I'm especially concerned because it's been pointed out that Lar is involved in multiple interpersonal or political disputes, and those two incidents happened during such disputes. I feel our projects need less disputes of this kind, and stewards, due to their position and access, should be above them, and while this is not always possible, certainly not furnish them. Cenarium (Talk) 17:13, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I would strongly urge all who have concerns about the first case to read Newyorkbrad's statement that Cenarium has kindly linked to. Carefully and completely. Then draw their own conclusions. I stand by whatever I have said about this case, from the very beginning when SlimVirgin was bruiting accusations about in myriad places, to this very day, including the remarks I made further up this page. As for the other matter, with my steward bit turned off, I can't refresh my memory of who said what, but what I recall suggests that I spoke flippantly, which cascaded matters, and the net result was that a fair bit of stuff from a number of people needed to be removed. I regret that, but we are none of us perfect. I don't consider it a major incident but it was an imperfection. That editor does not bring out the best in people, sometimes. That's not an excuse, just an observation. ++Lar: t/c 21:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Pcap, Nsk92 - his behavior during the recent BLP fiasco on en:wp is dismaying, vituperative, and fanatical in nature. Other checkuser abuses mentioned in this thread finalize it for me. RayAYang 17:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose as I trust neither his judgment nor integrity based on various actions on Wikipedia. Sincerely, --A Nobody 18:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The rude, dismissive, self-righteous attitude to those disagreeing with him, as evidenced by his comments during the BLP dramafest on enwiki, in my view, makes him unsuitable for this position. This has nothing to do with his deletions or his views on BLPs. Tim Song 18:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Minds can differ on this BLP nonsense. Those differences don't somehow render the his judgment vis a vis the tools suspect in the least. Protonk 19:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm Lar is a trustworthy contributor whom I believe has struck a fair balance on the fine line which sometimes arises between professional, politically correct conduct and decisive action and honest opinions. The projects need people who are able and willing to think through and act in difficult cases, and are able to do so autonomously when and as required, and yet are able to moderate their own emotional involvements and retain an appropriate distance. Both classes of behaviour are not always politically advantageous, and at least some of the opposition above strikes me as rather petty hair-splitting arising, especially to the extent that many of them appear to have no bearing on the role of stewardship. I support Lar not because we've always agreed, but because we've disagreed and been able to talk through the disagreement as adults. Stewardship isn't a "congressional" seat: We shouldn't choose people based on how much we agree with them on 'issues'. Narrowing the position to functionally inert baby-kissers would do us no good, nor would we do well to only accept candidates who have been aggressive enough to drive away everyone they've every disagreed with. --Gmaxwell 20:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm No issues with prior history as a steward. An asset to the team. Thank you for continuing to volunteer. NonvocalScream 22:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, per Cenarium, Cert, Durova, et al. Questionable CheckUser actions, and demeanor towards those he disagrees with are concerning. Blurpeace 22:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm I have found Lar to be approachable and extremely helpful with cross-wiki questions. Opposing due to BLP issues etc on en-wiki is a bit bizarre considering he does not routinely act as a steward there, and it is his actions as a steward that are under consideration here. Pablo X 23:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Blurpeace, et. al. Lauryn Ashby (d) 01:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Oppose per the numerous previous users citing ENWP BLP issues. Distrust on one's home wiki is not becoming of a steward and hardly appropriate for an ombudsman. If non-steward actions are irrelevant then Thekohser should be getting a lot more support for his candidacy. delirious & lost~hugs~ + jh0367~hugs~ 01:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not because of disagreement over the BLP issue as such, but because of his arrogant manner in discussing it and in replying to questions and making comments generally. One of the least pleasant people to deal with of all established Wikipedians. Such matters are very much pertinent. DGG 03:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose! For anyone who isn't opposed to this person, PLEASE, look at some of the links Okip has provided. I've noted his person's behavior in the past, and don't believe they should be trusted with any position of power or the tools that come with it. Dream Focus 03:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose reconfirmation. Lar has clearly lost the community's trust: the opposes are neither few nor petty. It is quite possible to act in both good faith as well as intemperate scorn for the community. Lar needs to take a break from the tools and refocus, and the community seems to be articulating quite clearly that such a break should not be considered optional. Jclemens 05:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since a suppression of mine has been brought up in this conversation, call me neutral. The suppression that took place involving David Shankbone was based on a complete misunderstanding which devolved into matters that fall within the privacy policy. Both parties made a reasonable request to redact the conversation, and as such it was removed. Please don't put too much weight into that issue, tempers flared and both parties achieved a resolution. In my opinion, Lar has done well as a steward and also has not used his capabilities to abuse the system or gain an upper hand, nor used it as a measure of status. I think he does admirably in separate the UserGroup from his day to day interest in the projects. Keegan 05:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm The opposes aren't convincing. AniMate 06:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lar's views have become increasingly extreme, particularly those related to BLP. Thus far he has largely been able to keep those views separate from steward work. It is my hope that stays that way (or better yet, a slight decrease in the fervor given to certain matters). Lar is one of the most well intentioned and helpful editors around, and I'd like to keep him around. Prodego talk 06:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong confirm Hmmm. I see quite a number of opposes from people with obvious axes to grind, and several very contentious attempts to re-write the history of what has happened on the English Wikipedia. It's inevitable that someone of the experience, committment and visibility of Lar will become occasionally involved in high-profile issues, and that that will bring an opportunity for a few disgrunted users to make their point. However, no-one can be a great Steward without addressing the hard issues. That's what they are paid for (haha), and Lar should be commended for taking his duties extremely seriously and for not ducking issues that he must have known would earn him no brownie points. MichaelMaggs 18:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm, good work as steward. LeinaD (t) 17:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Lar has become a polarizing figure on the English Wikipedia. That's illustrated well here, with several supporters alleging that opposers must be harboring grudges, rather than just expressing what might be legitimate concerns. Supporters have talked about how helpful Lar can be. I'm one of the people he used to be helpful toward—and I supported him for steward in 2007—but he turned on me suddenly shortly afterwards for reasons that were never explained, and that's when I experienced a different side to him. He began to attack me on- and off-wiki. He tried to turn people against me. He supported Poetlister—a middle-aged man with multiple sockpuppets on the English WP masquerading as young women, who tried to out me because I'd pointed out they were socks—for bureaucrat and CU on Wikisource, though he knew about the serial sockpuppetry. He would turn up with snarky comments until it reached the point where I was reluctant to speak out on any issue in case he arrived with an insult. He checkusered me. He supported editors who opposed me on content issues regardless of the rights or wrongs, including banned ones. I'm not the only person he has done this kind of thing to—I have seen him be rude to good people in a way that nothing could really justify and that has left them deeply upset. Now the BLP issue has alienated a whole new bunch of editors. I broadly support Lar's stance on BLP, but I feel the way he has pursued it may have turned people who could have been persuaded into opponents.

    Stewards should operate above the fray. I think Lar needs to choose whether to be involved in the management of the project or its politics, because those roles are often incompatible. And above all I'd say to him, please realize that the people you target are often just as loyal to the project as you are. I'm also sorry about having to post this, and I hope it doesn't start up trouble between us again. I was sorely tempted to stay away, but I didn't feel I could justify not saying anything because of concern about consequences. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Does not seem suitable for this role. Colonel Warden 22:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Blurpeace. Jaakobou 00:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Something doesn't sit right with me to support Lar. Perhaps it is my ridiculous xenophobic attitude towards giving Wikipedia Review participants, (no matter how explanatory they are about contributing there), too many tools. It's pretty much impossible to be in Lar's position and not infuriate or at least agitate one or perhaps many more people, so perhaps it's best to let someone else take over this role and let Lar get back to something more fun. I want to add that it is odd though that Lar has more opposition here than other Steward reconfirmations I have seen.--MONGO 02:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per most of the above. Xavexgoem 03:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I thought I was in a tiny minority re Lar until I saw the comments on this page. Tim Song and DGG put it succinctly. (FWIW I share Lar's views on BLP and would in fact go much further toward cleansing the project of marginally relevant BLPs, so it's unrelated to that issue.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris 06:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Nsk92. Bolo1910 06:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't closely followed the en.wp BLP saga, but at the end of the day that is an en.wp issue, and if Larry has lost the trust of the en.wp community, I believe that he is open for recall there. Until there has been a vote of confidence on en.wp that says otherwise, it is inappropriate to say that he has lost the confidence of the community based on a small subset of motivated en.wp's turning up here.
    In regards to stewardship, Larry is quite inactive (especially if we discount the high count of rights changes for en.wp and Commons, where are wikis he is active on), yet he supported global sysops. Sorry, but that is a hot-button issue for me, as you know - as a result, I oppose reconfirmation at this time and recommend that he stand for reconfirmation next year. A lot can change in a year, and he will be in a position to give assurances then about whether or not he intends to be active or not in 2011 as a steward. John Vandenberg 11:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep  Roger Davies talk 15:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per SlimVirgin and Durova FeloniousMonk 19:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. I have some concerns about his judgement and tendency to abuse process. MSGJ 20:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Remove, very abrasive interactions with those he seems to have preconceptions about, domineering and tends to dismiss reasoned argument. I've not paid close attention to the BLP issue, and like Lar favour removal of bios unless there is clear well sourced motability. However, his judgement appears to be poor. . . Dave souza 22:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. Sensible and trustworthy user. And the link to get to other pages has exceeded limits, so the only way for me to get to other confirmations is to go through the entire list and find their pages one by one. SandyGeorgia 22:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Languages: pl, en-2
  • Personal info: Hello friends, I would like to continue helping the community as a steward. I became a steward in 2009 and my work focused on fighting vandalism - mainly locking/hiding abusive user accounts and blocking IP addresses. Also, I spent a lot of time on SRP. I'm often available on #wikimedia-stewards and other IRC channels, where users can ask me for help. Thank you for your attention and I hope to meet with some of You at the next Wikimania in Gdańsk! LeinaD (t) 22:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Languages: en-3, it, de-1, es-1, fr-1
  • Personal info: Steward since December 2006, I work with the requests on SRP and I am reachable on meta or via mail. I hope can help the wikiprojects more this year. Thanks.

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  • Languages: en , Fa, Az , Tr-2
  • Personal info: i would like to continue my job as steward , i was one of active stewards during the last year . If community trusts me I would be happy to serve another one year period as steward.

Comments about Mardetanha[edit]

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  • Languages: en, es-1
  • Personal info: Steward since 2004. 2009 activity was mainly related to commenting on or granting bot requests and setting sysop flags. I've also been active with processing SWMT deletion requests. I was often on the Steward channel on IRC during the first half of 2009. If confirmed, I plan to be on call more often on IRC in 2010.

Comments about mav[edit]

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  • Languages: en, fr-2
  • Personal info: Hello again, all! Since my election, I've had a few periods of reduced activity - however this is judged by my own standards which are, admittedly, much higher than most. Even during these time periods, I've been among the upper half of steward activity measures, and I see no reason that will change in the forseeable future. I've been particularly involved with #cvn-unifications, and can be found on a regular basis in #wikimedia-stewards/stewards-l and private assistance channels like #wikimedia-admin, #wikimedia-checkuser/checkuser-l.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 19:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Languages: sr (hr, bs, sh), en-3, ru-2, cu-2, mk-2, sl-2, bg-2, be-1, uk-1, ry-1
  • Personal info: I am not perfectly active because of my other Wikimedian duties (NomCom, ChapCom, LangCom as well as some other organizational issues). However, whenever I am able, I am online at #wikimedia-stewards channel and ready to handle requests. Usually, I am trying to cover tasks which are not so regularly covered, like keeping night shifts (early morning in Europe and night in Americas) is. I am giving my mandate to the community: if there are at least 30 votes in favor of removing my steward rights and 50%+1 majority, I will resign.

Comments about Millosh[edit]

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  • Languages: it, vec, en-2, es-1, fr-1, la-2
  • Personal info: Hi! I became a steward in 2007, I also hold admin and 'crat rights on it.wikt, vec.wp and meta. Usually active on SRP and several other global actions, I've taken a wikibreak last autumn, due to university matters. I'm reachable via mail, meta and irc (#wikimedia-stewards, #wikimedia but also active in "service" channels, like #cvn-unifications etc.). I hope my work is appreciated, even if I know I'm not the most active ;)

Comments about Nick1915[edit]

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  • Languages: nl, en-4, de-4, fr-3, es-2, it-2, sv-1, tr-1, af-1, la-1
  • Personal info: Steward since 2005, former board member of the Wikimedia Foundation, former founding and first chair of the Dutch Chapter (association). Formerly very active on dutch projects as administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser and edit filter manager. I voluntarily resigned there in September from my many responsibilities to focus on different things. I would appreciate to stay on as steward, but tend to work with intervals of less activity in between, since my responsibilities outside Wikimedia may sometimes take quite some time as well.

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Comments about Pathoschild[edit]

I want to explicitly and strongly Keep reconfirm after the latest comments. Although it is obvious that Pathoschild made a mistake (I however think that before the mistake was identified, very few people would have predicted that this was actually a mistake, and indeed he was wise enough to have the page noindex'd) I find no reason for him not to be a steward anymore. Not to confirm someone is not a punishment for something they did or didn't, it's a matter of trust and I see no reason not to trust him, he is more experienced after that mistake, he acknowledges it with maturity and above all he has done a ton of work in this very matter protecting sensitive information. For me this makes him a highly trusted veteran steward that will offer much help in the future protecting sensitive personal data. --Egmontaℨ 17:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep --Vituzzu 18:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per all the above keeps. Durova 19:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing to neutral per Fran Rogers and Alison. Alison's privacy ought not to have been compromised at all, and certainly should not have needed proactive followup on her part afterward. Cannot maintain support in light of that. It can overshadow a thousand superb handlings of smaller matters to make those mistakes on a matter that required law enforcement intervention. Durova 02:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep -FASTILY (TALK) 22:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepJack Merridew 22:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. We would have many problems without his active work on steward tools. --Millosh 13:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No worries, Cirt (talk) 02:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Annabel 07:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Clearly helps out general coordination and clear benefits to keeping as a Steward. Edit: The concerns raised concerning private information below are very serious. They seem to be a very deep problem, and while I'm still favoring keeping, I'm very close to switching to oppose. I have to strongly wonder what Pathoschild was thinking in putting this info in a publicly accessible location. JoshuaZ 01:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Will Beback 09:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • definitely Keep Keep --Stepro 04:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Oppose. Responsible for leaking large amounts of personal information (addresses, phone numbers, ...) by maintaining lists of hidden (for a reason) SUL accounts in a now-deleted "sandbox" that's now irreversably mirrored on external sites. Stewards are entrusted with the most intimate data on Wikimedia projects; slip-ups like these are wholly unacceptable (particularly if they happen repeatedly; see below). Fran Rogers 06:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Correction: the personal information was restored; it's still there in the page history. Lovely. Fran Rogers 06:22, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    After a discussion with Pathoschild on IRC, I found that he restored the local copies of the list on Meta by mistake on February 11. So this was not just a one-time mistake. Fran Rogers 07:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Fran. I sincerely apologize for the mirrored information, which occurred due to an oversight regarding spam mirrors not retaining the __NOINDEX__ directive. Globally hidden accounts were not oversighted at the time, and I was using the list to bulk-oversight them on all wikis. I have oversighted the sandbox revisions, and am contacting the operators of the mirror domain to have the mirror updated or removed. (I do understand why you oppose my steward access.) —Pathoschild 07:49:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
    Unfortunately, I'm still concerned you might make another mistake like this again with private information - especially considering your restoration as recently as February 11, ten days ago, when you mistakenly restored the deleted copies of the list here on Meta. Our stewards need to treat private data with the utmost security, especially when designing and using software that manipulates that data. Fran Rogers 07:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also been informed of another incident in late January where Pathoschild uploaded locked-account data to the toolserver, and the personal info and defamatory claims within ended up as top results for a person's real name in Google before they contacted Pathoschild to remove it. Fran Rogers 11:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for the same reason as Fran Rogers. harej 07:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fran, Pathoschild StewardBot is basically the only way the stewards were able to keep up with the oversighting of such abusive usernames. You are not really accomplishing anything by opposing this request. Say he was not reconfirmed. The issue with such usernames being made available to the public would only be increased. And confirm on that basis. NW (Talk) 16:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: There's also a gadget for that issue: MediaWiki:Gadget-hideuser.js. —DerHexer (Talk) 16:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    There is now. But you made that just six or eight months ago, I do believe. And Pathoschild's script is still far more efficient than anything else's. Plus, Fran, do you honestly believe that no steward has ever made any mistake? With the volume of work that Pathoschild does, it isn't totally unexpected for there to be a few errors. There would have been no matter who did it; that's simply human nature. NW (Talk) 16:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It was at least earlier stable than Pathoschild's one. However, both things are useful. And each steward can use the one which he prefers. So I where I can do that on my own and not by bot. But both scripts will not be anylonger needed when vvv's bugfix gets online. Kind regards, —DerHexer (Talk) 16:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    NuclearWarfare, it's understandable that stewards are only human, and humans make errors. But this chain of mistakes seems to indicate that Pathoschild is irresponsible at handling data even when others ask him to be careful. He was asked to keep his lists of sensitive data off Meta because Google was picking up and prominently displaying damaging information on there; so he moved it to his wiki pathos.ca, only to be informed Google was picking it up again; so he moved it to the Toolserver, only to be informed yet again that it was ranking high in Google for persons' names. And now, less than two weeks ago, he undeleted the copy on Meta again. That is at least four strikes, after each of which he was informed of his mistakes, but he still repeats them; a professional programmer would likely be looking at termination. He just doesn't seem to understand that peoples' livelihoods and reputations could be jeopardized by his mishandling of data. Fran Rogers 04:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Some of the listed names were sensitive—which is why I moved the list to increasingly private locations—but not private. The names listed contained information taken from public sources, like the personal résumé you maintain on your personal website and indexed by Google. Furthermore, the names were available from MediaWiki itself at the time the list existed—I was using the list to remedy that problem.

    Google never indexed my sandbox page, because it contained a __NOINDEX__ directive. The problem occurred when a spam mirror copied pages from Meta, then stripped __NOINDEX__ directives to increase its page hits. The undeletion of the sandbox did not increase the list's visibility, since the revisions were deep in its edit history.

    While I am sorry that the list was indexed, and I am certainly more wary of indexing now, I do not agree that livelihoods and reputations were at risk—certainly no more than they were by their user pages being indexed (another problem only resolved relatively recently) or the original sources being indexed. —Pathoschild 05:33:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

    That my own information is on the lists is beside the point; while my own contact information is readily available (though I find it rather intrusive that you linked it in this discussion), there are dozens of other folks' names and contact information on that list for which this isn't the case, and I personally know of two other users this has seriously impacted. Fran Rogers 08:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Pathoschild, even setting the list issue aside, there's now the matter of you digging up links to my résumé with my home address and phone number and posting them above to prove a point (which are now thankfully oversighted). Is this really conduct becoming of a Wikimedia steward? Do you think all of the above would have supported you if they knew you were willing to do something like this? Fran Rogers 06:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Pointing to your public home page is hardly a privacy violation, especially since it (and your résumé) are the second search result for your name, and you link to it from your enwiki user page. —Pathoschild 12:18:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
    For what it's worth, I have a very high opinion of our stewards in general and of Pathoschild in particular -- the accomplishments and endorsements listed above are sure signs of a vibrant career as a volunteer in the WMF sphere -- but I'm also more than a little concerned by the apparent thought process that seems to have led to the posting and later restoration of what sounds like very sensitive information, and that by someone who is specifically tasked with accessing, safeguarding and protecting that very same sort of data on a regular basis. It seems like a no-brainer that we should strive to avoid publicly posting or reposting information that may have been used, or may continue to be used, in systematic harassment or outing of upstanding community members. Perhaps this can't be fully discussed in a public setting, but if it is possible to do so, I'm sure I'm not the only one who might appreciate a slightly more complete explanation of how and why that information wound up on a WMF site. – Luna Santin (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello Luna Santin. The user names listed were publicly available at the time from MediaWiki's automated lists, Toolserver tools, and some of their user pages. Many of the names had been publicly available for many months. I created a temporary, __NOINDEX__'d list of these public user names so that I could perform bulk oversight using StewardBot. Hundreds of these attack names disappeared from every wiki (and their mirrors) during this process.

    While the page never appeared in search engines due to the __NOINDEX__ directive, a problem occurred when a spam mirror website copied pages from Meta and stripped __NOINDEX__ directives to increase its search engine rankings. That mirrored page appeared in search results, and quickly led to the disappearance of the original list. Only a single page was indexed, instead of the many indexed pages that appeared before I began oversighting; I have contacted the owners of the domain to have the mirror page updated or removed.

    I do sincerely apologize for the indexing of a copy of the list due to my oversight. —Pathoschild 12:32:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

    The personal information about me (which is on that site and searchable through Google) was never made public willingly. I was outed on several websites after dealing with a certain banned user. Moreover, I do not agree with the way that you cavalierly refer to a list of account names like "<real name> rapes little kids." "<real name> = child molestor," "<real name> is a supporter of pedophilia," "<real name> has Asperger's syndrome," and "<real name> was abused by his Parents," which you posted to the wiki, as not having the potential to cause those individuals harm. Surely that's not what you are actually saying? Dominic 11:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello Dominic. Indeed, that is not what I am saying. The user names were already published by MediaWiki's automated lists and their user pages. Many of these were top search results, because of Wikimedia's high search engine ranking. (For example, some real names still match a few old mirrored user pages from those days in top results.)

    These highly visible names virtually disappeared as a result of my oversighting project; the mirrored list itself is typically so far back in search engine results that it's hidden by Google's "omitted some entries very similar to the n already displayed" feature. If all goes well, that too will disappear soon. I agree the names themselves are detrimental, and I'm sorry a mirror of the list was indexed; however, my actions greatly reduced the visibility of these names. —Pathoschild 14:02:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

    Most of these were one-off vandal accounts with no user pages, as you must know. They would not appear in search engines. You keep apologizing that the page was mirrored by another site without admitting that it was wrong for you to have ever posted any personal information regardless, a classic non-apology apology. You seem to be saying that there would have been no issue publicly posting the personal information if it were never indexed, even though that would mean that it would still be highly visible to Wikimedia's trolls and stalkers. I don't buy that posting these account names publicly was in any way necessary in order to suppress them. There is no reason that couldn't have been left on one's own hard drive. Dominic 20:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I recognize that the incident was poorly handled, and my apology is sincere. I would proceed differently given the choice, but that is not possible. If I respond to your comments, it is to clarify rather than justify what happened.

    The list served as a record of my actions as I proceeded, since oversighting is invisible on most wikis. As I processed usernames, they were removed from the list. The list was __NOINDEX__'d, in the obviously mistaken expectation that it would not be indexed. I felt the transparency outweighed temporary publication, since the user creations were already publicly logged by MediaWiki, and such lists were already made public by Toolserver scripts. —Pathoschild 02:44:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Keep Keep --Kaster 20:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Comment - I've kept away from all the meta steward's elections/reconfirms this year, but have to comment. I really must concur with what Dominic is saying above; we have processes and policies for dealing with this stuff on enwiki, and the Oversight team works hard to ensure that defamatory usernames, etc, are redacted as quickly as possible to prevent the very problem that is being detailed here. As it is, there are two mirrored pages still up that cannot be removed - I've tried, and it's going to happen. You can see them here;

    • [link removed]
    • [link removed]

    And while I can understand how it happened, etc, this is the end result of keeping sensitive data in a place where it's publicly accessible. I contacted Pathoschild last September to point out this issue & he responded rapidly. However, I found myself having to go back again in mid-January with the exact same issue. Some of the contents of those pages relate to my full name, the full name of someone I had to report to the police, and some particularly nasty comments. Go find them yourselves :/ Either way, I'm particularly annoyed that these comments are now indefinitely on-line. It goes without saying that I'm annoyed by the perp, too, and would dearly love to name him in full here. But the failure of a steward to handle sensitive information just compounded the problem. Pathoschild has done some incredible work over the years on here - I've seen it myself countless times, but his failure to readily acknowledge the gravity of this issue concerns me greatly - Alison 04:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Also, please tell me that this data is still not publicly indexible here, squirreled away somewhere? At the very least, encode it so it's not human-readable - Alison 04:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Insert gratitious plug for either GnuPG or Truecrypt here. -- Avi 05:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The list is no longer public. —Pathoschild 05:10:15, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep Keep --LadyInGrey 03:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, very helpful steward, trustworthy. − Elfix × talk (fr) 09:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep EVula // talk // // 15:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel I must point out that Pathoschild is generally very conscious of making life difficult for vandals & trolls, and in particular dealing with vandalistic usernames requiring revision deletion. Indeed, he's been annoying me to no end by refusing to make public the source code for his StewardBot :D In light of this general awareness and his conscientious handling of such matters, I have to conclude that while posting usernames about to be oversighted on a public wiki (or any of the other locations) was clearly an error in judgment, keeping him around is a net benefit for our projects.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:12, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep For someone so incredibly lazy, this guy is a machine and a valuable asset to the entire project. --Charitwo 04:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. In light of the mistakes, which I do not believe PC will repeat, I believe that his continued service here is worthwhile. Thank you for continuing. NonvocalScream 05:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure, a lot of good work (and tools). LeinaD (t) 17:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep --micki talk 20:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Argh; the oversight log is private for a reason! That mediawiki (and wikis in general) publishes libel and private information immediately is not a feature, and it should never be used as an excuse for another person republishing the same information. It is a well known problem, and all tools which harvest data from the live logs should be concerned about contributing to & exaserbating this fundamental design problem. Still, I am confident that pathoschild is 100% part of the solution, so confirm and hope it doesn't happen again. John Vandenberg 07:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:01, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep --Djordjes (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep - my only !vote this year. Yes, he's made mistakes here and there. However, he's one of the hardest-working stewards and plays a largely thankless but vital role for all the projects here. He's clearly demonstrated here that not only has he understood and acknowledged the gravity of what happened, but also took extraordinary steps to correct it. It doesn't get better than that - Alison 03:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Followup[edit]

I spoke with the domain registrar and site operators. The mirror has been updated to the latest revision without the list. The names should disappear entirely from search results within the week.

(Another steward has oversighted Alison's links above.) —Pathoschild 00:14:02, 03 March 2010 (UTC)

logs: rights, globalauth, gblblock, gblrights, crosswiki logs & activity | translate: translation help, statement

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  • Personal info: Yes, I've been inactive for quite some time now. And the reason is because I've had to move since starting a new job, and this job requires quite a lot of traveling. The reason why I had not added a statement until now, something I never skip doing, is somewhat illustrative of my present situation: I have spent the last 3 weeks in Central America, where I had very, very limited access to the internet. Just got back, and found out that the reconfirmation had already started. As for the future, obviously I don't expect to keep this pace for much longer. I should be able to settle down, possibly in Brazil's capital, Brasília, where I'd be able to dedicate more time to Wikimedia, Wikipedia and other projects. But realistically speaking, that should still take one or two months. Being that I would still be able to return to work, I will not resign, since this is voluntary work and being overwhelmed by our jobs is just something that can happen to anyone. I will make no excuses. I am inactive for the time being, and have been inactive in the recent past because I was simply unable to be active. I will come back, provided I am not removed following this reconfirmation.
    Furthermore, since I see there are already people making remarks concerning my intervention in the previous reconfirmation, I will state right now that my intervention in this reconfirmation will be limited to adding this statement and answering any questions from the community, as long as they are directed to me personally, and not to the Stewards in general. I will not vote, I will not participate in the Stewards discussions regarding the results. If I feel that there is clear consensus to remove me, regardless of what I have just stated and regardless of any answers I may provide over the course of this reconfirmation, I will remove the flag myself -- after the poll closes, as my final execution of community consensus, and not as a resignation. And should this be my last days as a Steward, I will say only that it has been a great experience, and a pleasure to have worked in this capacity. And, of course, thank you for your patience and the trust that has been bestowed upon me over the last few years. Redux 23:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments about Redux[edit]

  • Not anylonger active, no statement, sorry. —DerHexer (Talk) 00:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC) P.S.: Also per Majorly.[reply]
  • Inactive. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • basically inactive, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 01:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As above...  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 01:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Now that there's a statement: Remove Remove. Redux says it best: "Yes, I've been inactive for quite some time now." Indeed you have.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 23:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, I have to point out that Majorly's assessment of the closing of last year's reconfirmations is completely accurate, as is Anonymous Dissident's. The community's will was overruled, and to this day I am thoroughly ashamed I watched it happen without doing more to prevent that outcome. This was mainly due to "older" stewards throwing their weight around - you can read the page and see . While that was inappropriate, I lacked the will to stand up to that intimidation. I very nearly resigned because of this. I hope this year's modified closure process will result in the community's opinion being enacted as best we can.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    That is an spectacular misread of both the reconfirmation process and last year's events. I'm sorry you felt intimidated somehow. Had I noticed that, I would have encouraged you to participate more actively in the discussion page, although you were actually one of the few who did participate more actively where the Stewards were in fact supposed to be discussing the process. That being said, however, you are now implying some level of bad faith, or some kind of "plot" from some of the Stewards to defend their peers. I must take exception to that. At this point, I will refer you to my more detailed comments below. I really don't get why it seems to be that difficult to understand that the reconfirmation was not, and still is not, an election. The current rules state pretty much the same as last year's did in terms of it being the Stewards' job to take into account comments from the community and making a decision in light of their understanding of the job. Now, 96% of the time, the job means enacting community consensus without applying judgement regarding what local communities have decided. There is, however, the other 4%. And the reconfirmation is part of that. This is what was agreed with the then-Head of the Board of Trustees, which, I might recall, are the ones empowered to promote and remove Stewards. Originally, both the reconfirmation and the Steward elections were "advisory elections" to them. Then it was agreed that the reconfirmation wasn't going to be an election at all, and that the body of Stewards would be encharged of making a decision as a team, with input from the community (the public reconfirmation). We don't get to change that without the Board of Trustees' say-so. And frankly, most of the Stewards, if not all of them, agreed at the time that this was the only format that would allow Stewards to be able to perform during the year without worrying about being "political" enough to survive repeating elections. Forgive the bluntness, but in order to be able to do this job, you will need to be able to think outside the proverbial box when the job requires it, however rare that might be. Redux 06:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm amused by your persistence in claiming that what you did was right and that we're misrepresenting the events. How many more will it take to convince you? This type of stubbornness is yet another trait I'm dismayed to see in anyone with a position of authority. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 09:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    "Amused"?? I would appreciate it if you would keep the sarcasm in check. I said in the beginning I would provide answers if they were required. Not liking the answer is your prerrogative. And from the position of a Steward, having people disagree with something you do is pretty much part of the job. That's one of the points I have been making. Another one is that precisely because a decision a Steward makes, however in good faith, can dissatisfy people on one level or another, we cannot have yearly "reelections" for the current Stewards, and hence the format of the reconfirmation. In this particular case, I made the decision I thought was appropriate and in line with the rules, and I made it in good faith. That is the promise I must keep as a Steward, not that my decisions will always please everyone or even, for the sake of argument, that they will always be right. I don't believe I made a mistake, but if I did, it was while trying to do the right thing. That is the only realistic promess anyone can make. If there are people who think I should have acted differently, I will listen to their suggestions, and if there is agreement that we should handle the reconfirmation differently, and if we have the Board of Trustees onboard with that, I have no problem with that whatsoever. Redux 15:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    When I said I was ashamed to have done less than enough last year I meant it. You should be ashamed too. I should have stopped you from dismissing community input, but you shouldn't have done so in the first place. In fact, all stewards should be shamed - we failed the community. Sadly, the only recourse the community has to rectify that failure is these reconfirmations, creating something of a catch-22. I'm afraid I can't say anything further that's civil at the moment.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 04:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm fine with you having a different understanding of the reconfirmation or even the role of the Stewards in the reconfirmation. I think you are wrong, you think I'm wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. However, your comment above is incredibly, and I mean, incredibly beligerant ("I should have stopped you", "I can't say anything further that's civil"??) and not at all what I would expect to hear from a Steward. You are out of line and you need to revisit what it is that it means to be a Steward of the Foundation — and mind that: we are Stewards of the Foundation. In any event, being that the reconfirmation has ended, I believe there is no point in discussing this further here. Redux 12:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If indeed inactive, don't confirm Seb az86556 01:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remorseful remove as inactive. Kylu 02:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive. no statement - remove. Pmlineditor  07:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive. --WizardOfOz talk 10:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive. Doesn't need the tools -> remove. -Barras talk 12:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hardly any activity and no statement, so I'm afraid I must say remove. --Erwin 13:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I would definitely like to see more activity. Taking Anonymous Dissident's comments and your statement and comments into account I wonder whether you will become more active, but in the end only time can tell. For now I say confirm per Oscar. --Erwin 14:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm afraid I'll have to say remove. We need active stewards and a promise like this isn't enough. --Erwin 13:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • inactive - so adios! We have too little active Stewarts but so much users think beacuase of Stewards like you we have enough. Marcus Cyron 17:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • sorry but remove , on the ground of inactivity --Mardetanha talk 18:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Basically inactive. Rights are granted for the benefit of the community, when they ceased to be used to any degree they can be removed --Herby talk thyme 09:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • very low activity, weak not-reconfirm --FiliP ██ 11:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive, remove. Razorflame 07:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. Last 50 edits stretch back to his attempts at last year's confirmations to convince us inactivity is not a good reason to strip people of access. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 13:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Reaffirming remove vote. I'm sorry, but you said very similar things last year, including that you had "begun returning to activities". You have not been active as a steward for more than two years now. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:11, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and realistically speaking it is always a possibility that we might plan to do certain things (e.g., return to full activity, and so on) and in the end we can't quite make it. At this point, I predict I should be able to be more active in a couple of months, but that is not written in stone either. That being said, however, and as I mentioned in response to Carry's comment, it would be better if I, or any of us, could provide some kind of prior notice when we intend to take a leave of absence (or when we need to extend one). Beyond that, we cannot be worrying about filling quotas. The best and only promise I can make is that I never intended to leave or abandon my work as a Steward. But unintended absences are, at least for me, a fact of life. Redux 12:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good faith Keep but please notify us when you expect to disappear again. We worry! bastique demandez! 23:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, I should at the very least have e-mailed the Foundation Office about this. But since those things are usually not planned, we can sometimes lose track of how long it's been since we were actually active. It might take comments like "remove per inactivity" for us to actually go back to the contributions history and realize just how long it's been. At least that is what happened to me. Duly noted. Provided I'm not removed now, I will make it a point to post notifications should I ever have to take prolongued leaves of absence in the future. Redux 23:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep after statement :)--Nick1915 - all you want 23:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep - clear statement. my view in general is that keeping onboard trustworthy people who have for some time been less active but are willing to continue using steward tools even when used very sparingly, will eventually lead to a greater evolutionary diversity in the stewards group. such diversity is essential, not only of talents or knowledge, but also variety of experience and number of years of service. with all respect, we don't want a uniform group of hyperactives solely, nor is there need of an overthrow of some sort of government, there is none here, since stewards do not rule. so let's keep such experience onboard where we can. in my philosophy, extended-rights communities should always be kept growing on a healthy wiki. please stay onboard by being/becoming sufficiently active (see current policy which sets the limits, but can use some updating as well imo). oscar 00:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • neutral, though comfortable with a wikibreak, as long as their is a serious self-review at a realistic timeframe of what their commitment allows, and is made for the community's benefit. billinghurst sDrewth 14:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, despite statement I have to say remove per inactivity. Finn Rindahl 21:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep per statement. Cbrown1023 talk 23:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. He's definitely trustworthy, and I would be happy on taking his word on his future contributions. Per Oscar as well. NW (Talk) 21:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep Absence explained satisfactorily and my experience with Redux is that I trust him in that as his life and work settle down, he will return to higher levels of activity. -- Avi 21:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep After statement. -FASTILY (TALK) 22:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep. If what you are saying is true, we all should give you a second chance. I hope you enjoy here in Brazil. Be more active on pt.wikipedia too. Good luck.Teles (talk / pt-wiki talk) 06:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Next time, you should keep a satellite phone with yourself, so you can be prompt enough :P --Millosh 13:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, for next time. —Innv {ru-ws} 04:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep and wish you better connection :) --Aphaia 06:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove Sorry, you're basically inactive and each year it seems we get empty promises of more activity. Thanks for your work, but I think it's time to move on. Majorly talk 22:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Reaffirm vote per this. Stewards do not overrule the community. Sj should have been removed last year, the vote was clearly in favour of that. For another inactive steward to overrule that is very inappropriate. Majorly talk 11:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Excuse me? Sorry, but I'll address this as if it was a question, although I'm fully aware that it wasn't. However, you seem to be misunderstanding the purpose of reconfirmation. It is not a reelection. It is the Stewards' job to take community input under advise in deciding how to proceed regarding the Steward body. Those were the rules last year, and I was doing nothing but abiding by them. Furthermore, the decision is hardly unilateral, and I did not overrule anyone. Any Stewards disagreeing with the interpretation I gave to Sj's case were free to, and indeed should have brought it up in discussion, and a consensus would have emerged. And should it have been to remove Sj, that's exactly what would have been done, and it would have been I who would have been overruled, rightfully so. If the Stewards, who were charged with evaluating the reconfirmation results from last year, had felt that I should not have had a voice in the discussions because of my level of activity then, I would like to think that they would have brought it up, and this would have been dealt with accordingly. In addition, a comment amounting to "I support removing you because I disagree with something you did in the past as a Steward" is precisely why the reconfirmation cannot be treated like a simple reelection. Obviously, people are going to disagree with any given decision I might make as a Steward. That is just part of the job. However, if the job requires that I make a decision, and in that case it did, then I will make it. In the case of Sj's thread, you may not recall this, but it was, along with a few others, left open for someone to make the final evaluation and close it. For one reason or another, there was no one making the judgement call that was required to provide closure to a process that had been going on for more than a month. So I made the call, which was in full accordance with the valid rules concerning the 2009 reconfirmation. And I closed a lot of the threads in that reconfirmation, I should add, and not only Sj's. If there is any criticism that might help me to better perform the job, I'm certainly all ears, and indeed I welcome it — as I did when I noted in response to Carry's comment, in this reconfirmation, that we should not take leaves of absence without some kind of notification. But what I would consider inappropriate is not to make constructive remarks when they could have been made in that spirit, and then wait until a perceived opportunity to retort by "voting" to remove, in a matter of speaking. Redux 03:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You can try to justify your decision till you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that you overruled 17 of the 18 voters at Sj's 2009 confirmation, right after having been inactive for more than a year yourself. It was a very poor show indeed. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 05:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The 2009 reconfirmation was not a vote. The community was supposed to give input so that the Stewards could make a decision regarding their peers. Nobody was overruled, all the rules were followed. There's no need for me to repeat was is written in my previous comment above, so please refer to it. This, however, is the first negativity I'm hearing about Sj's decision, and that includes the Steward body. As I mentioned before, there are a number of avenues through which people can comment on a particular decision, or the entire process (in this case, the 2009 reconfirmation, in case people were unhappy with the rules in effect). If you feel that I, personally, made a mistake in closing Sj's reconfirmation, this could have been brought up to me directly, or within the scope of proposing an overhaul of the reconfirmation process. However, for the sake of argument, even if we were to work with the hypothesis that a mistake was made, "remove because, as I see it, you made a mistake" is also not appropriate. This is, yet again, a good example of why a Steward reconfirmation is not an election. With only a few exceptions, usually pertaining to unauthorized release of privileged information, we do not remove people because of a mistake. This was also discussed in the 2009 reconfirmation, referring to a couple of other Stewards. Furthermore, and again, the decision regarding Sj was not mine alone to make. The other Stewards acceeded to it, either explicitly or tacitly. Otherwise, as I mentioned above, they could have overruled me. Redux 16:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You immediately disappeared when the reconfirmation was closed (as you appeared when the last and this confirmation started; but I assume good faith and trust your statement concerning your job). How could we disagree with your decision then? Also many stewards in fact were dissatisfied with your closures because you ignored all open (!) discussions on steward-l concerning this issue and all opposes (by stewards) in that reconfirmation by deciding all on your own in a confirming way. Should we have overruled you? Without discussing it with you? Without being able to quote a rule which should have prevented you from doing so? (Afaics there's no rule for ignoring discussions [in that case]. Luckily for this time a commitee of at least three users will do that in a consensus based way.) … I for myself came back from university and saw that all critical confirmations were closed by you without consensus, neither on mailinglist nor onwiki, and was not able to intervene because of the given facts. As I spoke for removing in each case I of course did not agree with you. You might disagree with me, too, but I rated that behaviour as quite uncooperative and misleading … —DerHexer (Talk) 16:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, most of the Stewards made one or two comments on the discussion threads and then abandoned them completely, not returning to either review or reaffirm their positions in light of ongoing discussions, of which I was participating. As a rule of thumb, when discussing highly visible topics, I do not engage in discussions off-wiki (ie, via e-mail or instant chat). As far as I know, that is normally frowned upon, and sometimes viewed as even unethical — as a matter of fact, I recall this was actually a topic of discussion during the election in which I was appointed a Steward. In 2009, only a handful of the Stewards were actually involved with the discussions right up to the end on the actual discussion page. I'm rather surprised to learn that many Stewards were discussing this on other avenues and never intervened on the actual discussion page, which the community was following — I kept waiting for more input on some of the more polemical, close-call threads, but there was no more relevant discussion on them, except for a couple of back-and-forths between a few of those Stewards who were actually more involved there, but without any new input, those had ceased to bring anything new or relevant to the discussions. I didn't close any of the threads out of the blue. Furthermore, I noticed explicitly that, taking into account the reconfirmation itself and the Steward discussions, the entire process was already dragging too long, and we needed closure to it (new Stewards had already been appointed and still there was no conclusion to the reconfirmation process). And still, with the exception of Lar, no one was doing the actual closing of the discussions. I actually didn't want to close any threads except the clear-cut ones, but in the end, it was extremely unfair to have that process drag on for an unlimited period of time — something that doesn't happen in any other instance regarding elections, reconfirmations, etc.. So I closed them, because no one else was doing it. And in doing it, I took into account the current discussions on the actual reconfirmation page. Even if I had been following any private listings on the reconfirmation, I would not feel comfortable taking them into account in closing the process, because it was a public process, and even if Stewards were the only ones allowed to comment, the discussions were not supposed to be private, unless privileged information had to be exchanged, which was not the case. And in that regard, I must note that "public" only applies to pages on the Meta-Wiki. However, if the Stewards are adopting a new posture regarding such discussions, and this has, on at least some level, the agreement of the community — which I don't believe it does, but please correct me if I'm wrong — then no problem, I will start participating in off-wiki discussions when dealing with similar situations (but not on this reconfirmation, since I said I wasn't going to take part in the Steward discussions). Like I said, I'm all ears to any criticism and/or suggestions that might help the job. Redux 17:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove My thoughs are that two years of inactivity is a very long time on the internets and that you might by this time be out of touch. Ceoil 17:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep After statement. Mwaldeck msg 02:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove for inactivity, but with thanks for service in the past. Jonathunder 18:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. Please with caution with regards to activity. Give back the tools if you don't need them. Thank you for your continued service! NonvocalScream 05:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove and come back when you have time again. I'm not convinced for this year. --Geitost diskusjon 16:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inactive, in last 2 years you made only a few steward actions. Remove. LeinaD (t) 17:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove. Jayjg 19:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

logs: rights, globalauth, gblblock, gblrights, crosswiki logs & activity | translate: translation help, statement

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  • Personal info: I have been regularly, if not always voluminously, active this year on SR/P. As always, I am frequently available on IRC to monitor the SUL unification log (a popular target of vandalism this year), to answer questions, and to handle requests, especially urgent ones. If confirmed, I will continue my steady availability to the global Wikimedia community as a source of assistance and a manager of crises, a role I believe to be just as valuable as the more visible forms of steward activity that are usually the focus of confirmation discussions.

    I remain interested in the ever-developing role of the stewards in the Wikimedia community, and I expect that role to change as the Wikimedia projects mature and the needs of their communities change. Accordingly, I appreciate any suggestions or criticisms of my stewarding, and I look forward to discussing issues concerning the future of the stewards as they arise throughout the year.

    Finally, since I was first elected in 2006 I've been longing for a chance to use my knowledge of Latin to do some stewarding at la.wikipedia, or at least to process a request in Latin. My chance has not yet come along, but (rather like the Cubs) this could be the year. :-)Dan

Comments about Rdsmith4[edit]

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  • Personal info: I am a semi-active steward because I am a student, but I am regularly available in #wikimedia-stewardsconnect to help users and handle emergencies. I mostly block or lock users, and perform the occasional checkuser investigation or other task. I would like to continue doing so. See my user page for my other contributions.

Comments about Shanel[edit]

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  • Personal info: Hello, all. I serving on the ombudsman commission in the last year. I would like to continue working as a steward.

Comments about Shizhao[edit]

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  • Personal info: Hello! I have been a steward since 2005, working mainly on small-wiki and bot support. I am an admin also on English, Swahili, and Nahuatl wikipedias, and reachable by mail and meta. I am often on the stewards and cvn-unifications channels and started our noticeboard last year. I hope to continue to be helpful as a steward, but am not so active at the moment thanks to Board and Foundation work.

Comments about Sj[edit]

  • Keep Keep --WizardOfOz talk 10:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm of course --Church of emacs talk 12:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm, though I would like to see more activity. --Erwin 13:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm --Daniel Mayer (mav) 14:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK. Marcus Cyron 17:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm --Mardetanha talk 18:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.--Jusjih 04:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, but I'd like to see more activity --FiliP ██ 11:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep Razorflame 07:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep --Jyothis 17:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep without a shadow of a doubt. my compliments with the way you succeed in combining wmf board-membership with stewardship! oscar 00:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep, we just need him-- ※   JéRRy   ┼   雨雨   ※  16:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep really. bastique demandez! 16:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, no fuss, quiet achiever. billinghurst sDrewth 14:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, of course. --Philippe 00:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Support. —Innv {ru-ws} 00:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep per Billinghurst; very well put, Billinghurst. :) Durova 19:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep -FASTILY (TALK) 22:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Kept the promise and became more active as a steward. Glad to see that :) --Millosh 13:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No worries, Cirt (talk) 02:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the point of this farce? The candidate has no respect for the community nor do his fellow stewards who interpreted two years of almost total inactivity as an irrelevant factor in the last two confirmations. This is insulting and ridiculous. --JayHenry 21:49, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Just a question: In which way low activity insults you or the community? —DerHexer (Talk) 22:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, perhaps he should have been removed per last time... I see that's a clear consensus to remove, but for some reason he wasn't. When the community elects you to do a job, it's only decent you do it. Sj did, for a while, but then got busy elsewhere and should really have handed the steward bit in a long time ago. Majorly talk 22:20, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    We stewards talked about how to hande inactivities on steward-l but one steward ignored that and closed all confirmations. We apparently did not want to make trouble and accepted that; also because of being chronically understaffed. Kind regards, —DerHexer (Talk) 22:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You just answered your own question then about how this is a ridiculous and insulting farce of a process. --JayHenry 22:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I'd not call that insulting. And of course not all steward appreciated that behaviour as you assumed here. —DerHexer (Talk) 22:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    But none of you did anything about it. The community unanimously said he should be removed. The community was unilaterally overridden and you sat by and did nothing. sj cares so incredibly little about the community that he didn't even bother to write a statement. Of course that's insulting, because it shows exactly what the stewards think of the community - zilch. I've been here a long time and, yes, I do find it insulting to have my views completely ignored on a whim. --JayHenry 22:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Statement is in clear view on the contrary. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it somehow unclear that my statement is about last year? --JayHenry 23:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    My point: this process is insulting because last year there was total consensus to remove and SJ couldn't even be bothered to write a statement. The Stewards don't care what the community thinks and reappointed him anyway. This is a joke. --JayHenry 23:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Not the stewards: Talk:Stewards/confirm/2009/en#SjDerHexer (Talk) 23:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC) P.S.: Whatever, I really appreciate Sj's frequent comments on steward-l and I do not want to miss them, even if he's not the most active steward. Not all steward actions are logged, and especially not all on meta.[reply]
    I do not agree that this is a "ridiculous and insulting farce of a process" Rather, it's one that has been carefully constructed to remove (or at least reduce the influence of) political and grudgeholding sorts of input... That is why it is a two phase process. The community gives input, in the form of praise or concern, plaudits or issues, and the stewards as a body evaluate what to do. Last year's community portion of the confirmation raised a lot of concerns. During the second phase those concerns were evaluated and addressed by the stewards, and by Sj. The question now is, has there been a change for the better sufficient to merit reconfirmation in the community's view? Rehashing last year's confirmation may not be the most productive thing to do. Speaking as a steward with visibility to nonpublic discussions, it's my view that Sj is a valuable member of the steward community, as I said on the 7th. I don't want to lose his insight and contributions behind the scenes. As I said on Anthere's reconfirmation, being a steward isn't just about bit twiddling, though that's an important part of it. It's also about thought leadership, internally (among other stewards) and externally (among the entire WMF community). Sj has that in spades. ++Lar: t/c 15:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Strawman. Nobody last year had political or grudgeholding input. Not one single person. I have no problem with sj, I have a problem with this bogus process, but, as with all processes whereby powerful users protect each other, it is never the place to discuss it, never the time, etc. Honestly, if you're going to completely ignore a unanimous consensus decision from the community, just don't ask for input in the first place. I brought it up here because I hadn't realized, until I saw this confirmation discussion, that the stewards didn't care at all what the community thought. I don't care if you reappoint SJ, but why put us through the charade of asking for our input when you don't care at all what we think? That you labeled last year's 100% honest input as "political" and "grudgeholding" tells us all we need to know about the value you place on opinions from non-stewards. --JayHenry 04:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    JayHenry, I have a great deal of respect for you, you are a careful and considerate wikimedian who has made many insightful comments in the past that people tend to take heed of, for their own good. But when you call this process "bogus", "ridiculous" and other pejorative terms, that's not at all helpful, I don't think. If you look across all the steward reconfirmations, there was lots of political and/or grudge-holding input last year, which is what I was referring to. There's even more of that this year, unfortunately. But all input is considered carefully. If you look at the steward discussion for sj you won't see the concerns raised brushed aside lightly. Sj was grilled about his intent, and it wasn't a shoo-in by any means. He made a commitment and he's met that commitment. ++Lar: t/c 15:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Remove Basically inactive, and has been since 2006 pretty much. Thanks for your hard work, but I think it's time to move on. Majorly talk 22:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep Not everything is quantifiable. Why are some here being so insulting? Can't we just be professional about this? --WiseWoman 08:15, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. My idea of professional and non-insulting, however, is an environment in which the views of longtime contributors are not disregarded. Now, it is true that in many professions it is the prerogative of the bosses to simply ignore the views of their underlings. Think of the "suggestions box" that the boss tosses in the garbage without reading. Our views are like those slips of paper to the stewards. I suppose it may be professional in that sense, but I struggle to see how it's something other than insulting. --JayHenry 05:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    JayHenry, I want to personally apologize for allowing the confirmations last year to be run in the manner you describe. I tried to ensure the community's intent was carried out, but I failed. I wasn't alone in that attempt, but I can only speak for myself. As stated elsewhere, I am ashamed of that failure. I also want you to know that while it is true that powerful users protect each other, I am not and will never be in that camp: I will always defend users (or not) on the merits of a given situation, or do my best at least.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep While he is technically not very active, there are clear benefits to him continuing to have the Steward rights. Clearly can be trusted. The level of inactivity necessary for it to become a fundamental argument for removal is much more than this. (Minor disclaimer: I've interacted a lot with the user in real life so may have a biased opinion). JoshuaZ 00:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Billinghurst. Jayjg 22:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC) Remove Remove per Mike.lifeguard. Jayjg 20:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As last year, remove due to his lack of involvement as a steward. One can only assume that being a board member will exacerbate this. I feel obligated to point out that Sj has not followed up in any meaningful sense on his promise from last year to work on an improved process for making judgments about inactive stewards. I'm afraid I cannot disagree with JayHenry's assessment of this process in any meaningful sense either. I only hope our modified system this year will ensure the community's wishes are respected. Please see my comments on Redux's confirmation page as well.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm. A bit inactive. Please with caution to your activity and please remove if inactive. Thank you for your service. NonvocalScream 05:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm, but I would like to see you more active in steward actions. LeinaD (t) 17:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confirm as sound and trustworthy. . Dave souza 21:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I felt comfortable this year with every single member of the team. This is true, regardless of the mere count of actions and the amount of interactions on wiki, mailing list, IRC, social networks or real life. Therefore I'd feel much more comfy if all current stewards are confirmed. --M/ 23:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Keep --Djordjes (talk) 23:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Languages: I prefer writing in de and en, but I can read some more languages.
  • Personal info: Hi all. I would like to continue working as a steward. I wasn't that active over the last year, because of a lot of work in RL, which will not become less in the future (I hope), but I'm available on IRC on a daily basis and ready to help with emergency cases and also with some regular tasks. I want to (ab)use this statement to say thanks to all fellow stewards and to quite some more people who help the stewards with cross-wiki vandal fighting and maintaining the request pages for the nice collaboration with all of you! --თოგო (D) 10:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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