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Hi, while there is no formal policy on admins on li:, I ask you NOT to remove anyone's admin rights. The user in question has left the wiki but I would love to see him return. Removing his bureaucrat status would probably lower the odds of him returning. There are at the moment only 2 active users at this wiki, and while I have not consulted the other user, I think there is a consensus on this issue. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 21:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

@Steinbach: can you please have the other user comment? --Rschen7754 22:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
The issue is currently being discussed at the local village pump. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 16:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
The other user has commented ;) --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 17:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Pahles has made a local edit, and there is clear consensus, so we will not remove the rights. --Rschen7754 03:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

lv wiki[edit]

Hello! Can local community suggest some additional users? --Edgars2007 (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

To be removed for inactivity? lv.wikipedia is always free to make its own local inactivity policy, using a more strict criteria than 2 years. --Rschen7754 01:02, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The local community is also free to undertake its own reviews, and identify and locally manage inactivity. Without a local policy, you would need to utilise the AAR standard of two years, and the contact methodology. Stewards encourage communities to have an active management regime in place, and what you are seeing here is what we consider the base standard, and a means for us to capture the truly inactive. For the why, please read the discussion that took place in the development of the policy. Thanks for the query.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
@Rschen7754, Billinghurst: Yes, to be removed for inactivity. I was talking about adding some sysops to the list. We had a discussion about this a few years ago, but nothing happened, so I think my colleagues wouldn't mind to add some users on the list. We could make a mini voting in our Village pump, if needed. --Edgars2007 (talk) 06:02, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I would suggest that if they have been inactive for more than two years, that you add the same pings that have been done by stewards, and add them to that list with links. It isn't usual, though it is not contrary to the policy, and shouldn't be too hard to follow through (and I think that Rschen7754 will probably [deservedly] give me a nipple-cripple for saying that) You can check activity via Wiki: (stewardrylist 'cratsno standard bot policysummary)  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Something like that would also need the backing of the community, as we're going off the list generated in January to be fair to all wikis. But there are no admins who fall into that category on this particular wiki. --Rschen7754 13:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't think so. When I did the wording, I was fairly careful with it to allow broadest action. AAR states two years inactivity (one marker); what is inactivity (second marker). It states that stewards will do a semi-annual or annual review (how we would compile our lists), and where we would and would not act. It does not say that AAR can only be applied at/following that review, though indicates that we are not going to be doing it on the anniversary of someone stopping action. I would agree that outside of steward's audit, that stewards will not act due to an anniversary of inaction without a community review/discussion taking place. PLUS, if we got to that stage, I would think that a community is sufficiently mature and better able to have its own review process based on the global standard, especially as it will be in the language of that community.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that our opinions are that far off, actually... but in this case, there aren't any admins in that gap on this wiki between 2 years and the cutoff for the AAR lists, and hopefully AAR2015 won't have a 12 month delay Face-smile.svg --Rschen7754 02:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
And our preference is for communities to do their own reviews, to the global standard or something that each community improves upon. Stewards only wish to be the fallback mechanism in the minimum number of situations.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I understand that this wouldn't be fair to other Wikipedias. But we have some 2 or 3 candidates, that aren't on the list. lv:User:Tail, one of our 3 bureaucrats, whose last normal edit was in 2008, in 2013 just said, that she is currently retired. lv:User:Zummis made his last log action in 2009 and he said, that he supports democracy, if the thing goes to voting (I think this can be some kind of voting Face-smile.svg). The last one lv:User:Yyy (second of our three bureaucrats) is tricky one. He does show up some time, but his last log action is in 2011. So, if we ( community) can't add them on the list (and notify them at their talk pages etc.), we can make an official voting at @lvwiki and then go to... [here should be some link to page @Meta, I know that you guys have one for this purpose] (our bureaucrats can't remove the the rights from sysops and bureaucrats, just give them to sysops)? --Edgars2007 (talk) 11:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You can then go to Steward requests/Permissions#Removal of access :) --MF-W 11:24, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Inactive admins on :mgwiki[edit]

Hello, I have just initiated a community discussion about the inactive admins on mg:Wikipedia:Mpandrindra, and requested the community about keeping my admin status. It is also important to note that 4 admins over 5 are flagged as inactive, which may lead to leave only one admin on this wiki, this is the main reason why I have asked to maintain my status there. -- AlNo (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks @Alno:, the purpose of the review is to see that the appointed admins are active, not to strip away rights. It is to allow the open discussion in a community about activity, and the knowledge of who is and is not active, and to allow the community to make the decisions that best work for that community. So thanks for the contact and good luck with that discussion, we look forward to hearing your outcomes.  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:10, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Getting auto-archiving on stewards' pages[edit]

With Quentin's bot being inactive, we need to look to alternate means, so I have asked Steinsplitter to see if we can utilise his active bot to do archiving for Steward request/... pages. If not, we may need to look at alternatives as we haven't managed to hear back from Q.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

User:ArchiverBot is up and running, and archiving e.g. this page. --MF-W 11:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't this page that I was talking about. I don't mind which bot we have set up to archive SRx pages, as long as we get one, especially SRUC which is getting traffic.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Tested, i can run it. Ping me if you need the bot. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, we do need a bot for this because QuentinBot is now inactive. Do we have to a separate RfBf for this, because at Meta:Requests for bot status/SteinsplitterBot closing crat says "approve that bot to update the discussion index pages"? Thanks, --Glaisher (talk) 11:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, I just wanted to say that a bot exists which can easily be used. If it archives this page, there is no difficulty to make it archive others as well. --MF-W 11:27, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
It is not mw:Manual:Pywikibot/ --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I know that that bot is not a page on --MF-W 12:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I mind not whether it is php of Steinsplitter-bot, or pywikibot of ArchiverBot, it is the outcome that I am looking to achieve. I will leave other stewards to have their opinion for a couple of days, and we can see what is the consensus for a preferred approach.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, the difference between the bot for this page and the steward requests page is that it looks for "Done" or "locally handled" or stuff in the status... so the code would need to be different. --Rschen7754 16:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
See Meta:Requests for bot status/SteinsplitterBot 2 --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Global renamers#Discussion as to length of candidacies[edit]

I have started a discussion regarding the length of certain global renamer candidacies. --Rschen7754 19:41, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

ln wiki[edit]

Dear Stewards, you contactet Bombo, admininstrator at ln:, because he did no more edits since two years - in fact since April 2005. This is, because this account is blocked, as documentated here. I learnt, that developpers helped some other people in the same case, but when I asked them, I get no response. So I started again with a new user name. I continued to act as an admin, just without admin rights. If needed, I wrote to the only remaing admin, Moyogo. If my rights could transfered to my account or my former account could be deblocked, this would be very nice and simplify the tasks at ln: --Eruedin (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The account is not blocked, and I cannot see evidence that it has been blocked, so the password reset functionality should work. It is not a unified account, and if you have not got an email registered for the account, then there is not much we can do there now. It would be my suggestion that it would be more appropriate for you to go through the process for seeking administration rights with this existing account at that community. If, as you say, you have been playing that role within the community, it should be a reasonably comfortable process. Thanks for contacting us.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Markup tab at the bottom of the edit box?[edit]

Dear stewards,

I've sometimes wondered why Meta's markup buttons are not tabbed into a much larger repertory as at some Wikipedias. The German and English Wikipedias, for example, have tabs for non-English-language characters (including Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic), and it's a little ironic not to have access to those on a site that serves all language communities. Would it not be a trivial technical task to add tabs to Meta to provide buttons for the major currency symbols (rather important for granmaking pages), basic mathematical operators, and common typographical characters?

The Wikipedias organise their tabs slightly differently from each other, and Meta would have to agree on how to organise its own tabs; but this shouldn't be an insurmountable problem, don't you think?

Thank you.

Tony (talk) 00:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

See MediaWiki_talk:Edittools#Please_restore. If you want to load it for you only, you can add mw.loader.load('//'); to your common.js. BTW, this is the wrong venue as it's not related to steward work; it's a local meta-wiki affair. --Glaisher (talk) 11:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips and the link, Glaisher. I find Meta very hard to navigate. Tony (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Tony1: I am presuming that you are using the old toolbar, as the default (extended) WikiEditor has these components built in. If you are looking for these tools to be available wherever you wander, you can look to add them to Special:MyPage/global.js as per mw:Extension:GlobalCssJs and they will follow you around per your settings.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you indeed, Billinghurst. Tony (talk) 02:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)