Talk:Eventualism
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What's the relevance of the Indian statue? Very confusing!
Neville
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Christ, I'm glad the fall of Communism has given us all enough leisure time to adopt ideological postures about encyclopedia. 138.88.181.236 13:35, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- And better yet, to make snarky comments about those who do...
[edit] Time for a fifth stance?
I am wondering if a fifth stance is gaining ground, or perhaps even also a sixth:
- Conservatism - the belief that some articles policies etc. should be cemented and or frozen in their current status.
- Reactionarism - the belief that some articles and or policy-implementations are not incrementally improving, polishing towards perfection, but instead are corrupting adn bloating; and that we need to return backwards in time.
-- Cimon
[edit] Eventualism is dead
All you eventualiststs must now realise that your cause is no longer worthy. The time for action is NOW. We must seek to improve WP immediately -- not in a thousand years time- we may not be here to see it.
You must all realise by now that the only true faith is Exclusionism. Please visit the exclusionist page to pledge your support for this final solution to all Wikipedia problems!!! 88.110.101.169 00:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe you misunderstand the eventualist's side of things. They don't believe we should leave everything as it currently is, but that in time, with judicious care and involvement, the articles will become what the goal is.
- The exclusionist acting prematurely effectively kills the chance of improvement and lives in the past. But the community needs to be constantly fed. There is no such thing as punctuated equilibrium in the WIKI world.
- Yes, things should be cleaned up as needed, but there also needs to be room for improvement. Perfection is not something one can achieve, but is a goal always on the horizon.--Steven Kippel 00:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
- "Eventualism is dead, Long Live Eventualism." 71.176.178.23 21:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Non Notability
I'm arguing for reducing the Notability standards. The burden of proof should not be on the article to proof it's notability to random editors. Increasingly people are using wikipedia as their primary reference, even in advanced classes. Many esoteric subjects are notable, but won't appear so at first glance to a reader without sufficient background.
I'd suggest we lower the bar for notability by 20 % :) Put the burden of proof on the party arguing against an articles notability. Mathiastck 15:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Notability Guideline finally under fire
I and some others have surprisingly managed to open (widely) the topic of whether the Wikipedia Notability Guideline, the Deletionists' Best Friend, is a valid Wikipedia Guideline at all, on grounds of lack of consensus, lack of objectivity, conflict with Policy, and ramapant abuse in the article deletion processes. This is probably the last chance to have any major impact on this supposed Guideline (it was just a random essay this summer, but turned into a Guideline on shaky grounds while I was on an extended wikibreak.) I'm not asking people to go "vote" or make trouble, or even support my version of what's wrong with Wikipedia:Notability; just express concerns rationally. The hot spot is W:Wikipedia talk:Notability. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I think this whole article needs to be deleted as it is non notable.
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[edit] Monolithism
I believe this claim in the article reflects an implicit assumption that Wikipedia is a monolith:
Historically, the eventualist perspective has been strong, as Wikipedia was of little current value, so its value in several years' time was of primary importance. As Wikipedia has grown in practical use, a more immediatist approach has won adherents. If Wikipedia ever approaches its target, the immediatist position may triumph, but for now there is still a tension between these differing schools of thought.
I define "monolithism" as the tendency to view complex entities as being more simple and uniform than they really are. See: Blind men and an elephant and Hasty generalization. When Wikipedia was new, it was in fact much simpler and more uniform than it is now (as of 2008). Different parts of Wikipedia are now at different stages of development. For example, articles about Mathematics benefit from the long scholarly tradition of the field and the multi-generational talent base, whereas newer areas of human activity such as Renewable energy just aren't as well-organized nor as well-represented on Wikipedia. Thus we could reasonably expect the math articles to "get there" sooner than many other topic areas, and an immediatist approach would make more sense for math articles than for articles in a subject area that isn't as far along yet. To imply that we could speak sensibly about immediatism or eventualism across Wikipedia as a whole is, I believe, an expression of monolithism, and constitutes a "blind men and an elephant" fallacy. A Wikipedian who attempts to characterize Wikipedia as a whole and cram it into one narrow philosophy is most likely generalizing from the small subset of Wikipedia he or she has focused primarily on. --Teratornis 20:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- I share the same general doubts, I believe some kinds of article converge very slowly and some don't even converge to any specific end state at all such as certain cult related articles. But how does this relate to the fact that the articles technically are on a capacity-limited set of servers running the same software? Is that just a question of dimensionality: that facts diverge on same servers, or will the capacity-limitations sooner or later push non-converging topics into the Deep Void of Must-Delete-to-Avoid-Servers-Catch-Fire? rursus 15:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Nice image!
rursus 15:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- It could/will be improved. --Alchemist Jack 22:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Some further expansion would be nice
I came here from a link from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons, because I had no idea what "Eventualism" was. I gather it is something like "A bad article is better than no article, because it will eventually be improved", but some further expansion of the term would be nice.
