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The associated page is used by the MediaWiki software to add and remove interwiki link prefixes (such as [[w:blah]] to "blah" on Wikipedia). Any Meta-Wiki administrator can edit the interwiki map. It is synced to the Wikimedia cluster every few weeks. Please post comments to the appropriate section (Proposed additions, Proposed removals, Requests for updates, Troubleshooting, or Other discussions); read the boxes at the top of each for an explanation. Completed requests are moved to the archives.

Proposed additions[edit]

Symbol comment vote.svg The Interwiki Map exists to allow a more efficient syntax for linking between wikis, and thus promote the cooperation and proliferation of wikis and free content.

This section is for proposing a new interwiki link prefix. Interwiki prefixes should be reserved for websites that would be useful on a significant number of pages ({{LinkSummary}} can help). Websites useful only to a few pages should be linked to with the usual external link syntax. Please don't propose additions of sites with too few pages or that contain copyright infringing content, such as YouTube. As a guide, sites considered for inclusion should probably

  1. provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects
  2. be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects
  3. be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license)
  4. be a wiki
  5. have reasonable amounts of content
  6. not contain malware

Add new entries at the bottom of the section. When requesting a new prefix, please explain why it would be useful keeping the above in mind. Admins, please allow consensus to form (or at least no objections to be raised over a period of a few days) before adding new entries, as once added they are hard to remove from the many copies around the world.

Requests for removal should be submitted on the talk page in the removals section and will be decided on by a Meta admin.

Baidu[edit]

prefix:baidu:

link:http://www.baidu.com/s?word=$1

Hey there I'm from Zh-Wikipedia. It has been a routine for me to use the "namespace" of google:. But you know, in Chinese, Google can't be everything. Baidu is a Chinese search engine which can provide more reliable search results in Chinese. So would any admin please add a baidu: link to the current interwiki list? It's an urge need. Besides,due to the Internet censorship in China, many of ZhWP users can't access google successfully. Please consider adding that link.Super Wang (talk) 02:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Time2wait.svg On hold: someone needs to check the conclusion of the past discussion (if there was one) about adding non-wiki URLs contrary to the current, now-stricter requirements of #Proposed additions. --Nemo 17:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I think this should be done. Grandfathering considerations aside, to have Google and to not add Baidu is silly. This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
We don't have other search engines (e.g., yahoo, bing, ask.com, duckduckgo) either. PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 Not done linking to a search engine is truly not good linking for encyclopaedias. It probably wasn't right to do Google, however, that is not a knot that I wish to unpick. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:00, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Are there any objective criteria for deciding which search engines to add, and which not to? Is Google just there for historical reasons? Leucosticte (talk) 03:01, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Or to put it another way, it sounds like consensus-can-change may have already occurred, and the google-grandfathering should be eliminated as a mistake. Is there a scan we can do, to see how the current google-prefix-namespace-thing is being used... and how *many* of them there are? I'd never heard of it until today, but at first glance it seems like programmatic replacement with the equivalent http://google.com URL would not impair anything. Is this an incorrect assumption on my part? 74.192.84.101 17:48, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Here is the count-tool.[1] See also these detailed instructions for rolling your own queries.[2] There are over 6000 uses of google:$1 on enWiki alone (plus another 9k on other wikis), albeit only a few of those 6k are in mainspace, and then usually just google:$pageTitle in the external links section. Interestingly, 4k of those enWiki hits are on subpages of w:User:Rybec alone, but there *are* at least 100 other people that made use of the shorthand for one reason or another (most of them just a handful of times though). Other major uses: there are about 750 in w:Project:Most_missed_articles, about 400 in AfD (usually simply the pagename but sometimes customized e.g. google:"Alexander+Ferocia"+-myspace was one I noticed), about 50 in AfC, about 30 in Category, and and a bunch of miscellaneous. Some that seemed useful were:
  1. specialized uses: google:2*pi*(6600^3/398600)^.5/60 in w:Template talk:Earth_orbits,
  2. google:link:http://www.wikipedia.org in w:Backlink, and
  3. google:www.etymonline.com+site:en.wikipedia.org in w:Talk:Recreation.
  4. There were several translation-and-sourcing examples on article-talkpages, plus a few w:WP:COMMONNAME disputes with w:WP:GOOG as a tool. google:一卡通 in w:Talk:Yikatong,
  5. google:عباس+العقاد in w:Talk:Abbas_el-Akkad,
  6. google:Šta+je+pisac+hteo+da+kaže in w:Talk:Bosnian_language/Archive_3,
  7. google:нуржиц in w:Talk:2000_Ramallah_lynching, and
  8. google:"Baekdu_Mountain"_OR_"Baekdusan"_OR_"Paekdu_Mountain"_OR_"Paekdusan"_OR_"Paektu_Mountain"_OR_"Paektusan"_-Wikipedia_-"Changbai_Mountains" in w:Talk:Paektu_Mountain.
  9. Sourcing: google:dotriacontagon for w:Talk:Cross-polytope,
  10. google:iOS7+copy+android for w:Talk:IOS_7, and
  11. google:Journal_of_Biosocial_Science_Gregory_Cochran for w:Talk:Gregory_Cochran.
  12. Other pretty worthwhile usages: google:Wikipedia_unblock in w:Template talk:Unblock,
  13. google:"This+user+is+a+suspected+sock+puppet+of+Willy+on+Wheels" in Project talk:Deny_recognition/Archives/2006/09,
  14. google:"Wikipedia_cultist" in w:Project:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great,
  15. google:Randy_in_Boise in w:Project talk:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/Archive_2.
But quite a lot of the uses I noticed seemed kinda useless and/or autogenerated: google:AcademyAwardBestDocumentaryFeature+footer in w:Template:AcademyAwardBestDocumentaryFeature_footer for example. Rybec's 4300 must be for something, obviously, though I'm not sure that the specialized "interwiki" prefix is helpful enough to make the problem a gordian knot. There *is* plenty of other usage, outside enWiki, however. We're talking about hundreds of people that have, at one time anyways, used this prefix-namespace-thingie.
  Furthermore, besides the straightforward google: for searching, there is also cache: for saved copies (contrast with archive.org / archive.is / webcitation.org however which are permanent... goog wipes after 30 days), scholar: for academic cite-searches, googlegroups for dejanews fka usenet (not usually reliable sources... but sometimes used as primary sources... and on wiktionary used for attestation), as well as googledefine: which again is prolly more useful to wiktionary folks than to the other WMF projects. Missing is google translate and also google books and also perhaps google maps (although WikiMiniAtlas seems like a win to me for that purpose). Anyways, my initial thought that maybe this would be easy to deprecate, turns out to be wrong... there are quite a few things that use such prefixes.
  But methinks we either need to deprecate the official google-prefixes, or add some other engines. Maybe we can have a search: prefix and a translate: prefix, and the target search-engine and/or translation-engine is picked based on the user's browser configuration settings? Methinks it is possible to google:use javascript to detect what the default search engine is for every user, on the fly. There are bugs in the current system, though, which may mean we should nix search-engine-prefix entirely. Talk:Interwiki_map#google has the rawurlencode details. 74.192.84.101 20:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
All the google: links in Rybec's userspace are on one page, "User:Rybec/failed-requests-list". That makes up for a good chunk of the total number of links. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I was invited to comment by 74.192.84.101. The instances in w:en:Wikipedia:Most missed articles and my pages such as w:en:User:Rybec/failed-requests-mn arise from the templates w:en:User:Melancholie/mmA and w:en:User:Rybec/tstats. If the google: function is removed, the templates can be edited and all will be well with those pages, unless/until Google changes its URL format (e.g. if http://www.google.com?q=foo or whatever it is were changed to http://www.google.com?query=foo then each page would have to be updated, whereas now it can presumably be updated in a single place). I'm not actually using the google: links: I have difficulty using Google, so I added a different search engine to my copy of the template.

w:en:Wikipedia:Most missed articles is a list of requests for non-existent article titles. It's used as a source of ideas for creating articles or redirects. In the process of doing so, people have occasion to use a search engine. Rybec (talk) 21:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


atwiki[edit]



link: http://www$1.atwiki.jp/$2 prefix:atwiki: or @wiki:

  • provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects: see its usage in currently externallylinked pages in top40wikis
  • be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects:as above
  • be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license):Not really
  • be a wiki:Yes
  • have reasonable amounts of content:list of pages:google ssearch with site: command give a huge amount of result.
  • not contain malware:no sign for malware included in it

C933103 (talk) 18:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add this if nobody objects within a few days. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:18, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I think this needs wider review. @This, that and the other: please check these? PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
An interwiki prefix isn't going to work for this site, because the domains are of the form http://wwwX.atwiki.jp, where X is some number (e.g. http://www33.atwiki.jp/yakurou/). I tried http://www.atwiki.jp/yakurou/ in the hope it would redirect to the correct subdomain, but as you can see, it doesn't work. People will have to continue to use URLs for this site. This, that and the other (talk) 09:15, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
What about a script that would redirect $1:$2 to http://www$1.atwiki.jp/$2? It it worth the effort? PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

MBA Library[edit]



link: http://wiki.mbalib.com/wiki/$1 prefix:mba:

  • provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects: see its usage in currently externallylinked pages in top20wikis
  • be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects:as above
  • be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license):In site's about page, it said content can be reused under GNU GFDL license, but at the bottom of every page of the site, it have the copyright icon and said all right reserved
  • be a wiki:Yes
  • have reasonable amounts of content:339 thousand articles contributed by 121 thousand users
  • not contain malware:no sign for malware included in it

C933103 (talk) 10:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Please clarify the purpose of the site please. PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
This seems to be a kind of business/tech wiki encyclopedia. I agree with C933103 that it certainly has a lot of content, but I can't help but wonder if this site's mission overlaps too much with Wikipedia's. I don't know why WMF wikis would be needing to link to this site, and indeed, only 3 articles on each of enwiki and zhwiki link to this site. This, that and the other (talk) 09:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
This is a encyclopedia for economic/management aspect with the objective of creating/sharing knowledge of in this aspect. (does mission overlap prevent mediawiki creating interwiki link to the site?)(it had been discussed sometime ago to use some of its content onto chinese wikipedia but as far as i know it is not done because of its unclear copyright notice)C933103 (talk)(currently 14 different articles had been linked) 10:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Orain[edit]

link :orain.org prefix:orain

It's a wiki-farm, though it is not linked much( w:Special:LinkSearch/*.orain.org ) I think it might be useful having the interwiki map, since it is growing. --Shanmugamp7 (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see why, it doesn't seem like it so far contains any content of interest. --MF-W 15:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Looking at requirements:
  1. provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects No (and this one is very important)
  2. be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects Yes (won't be spammed)
  3. be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license) Yes (CC BY-SA 3.0 by default [3])
  4. be a wiki Yes obviously
  5. have reasonable amounts of content No (AFAICS)
  6. not contain malware Yes obviously
PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Can't say anything for 1 really but in regards to 5, since it is a wiki farm - the wikis in it count as content points. One to see is this wiki. A few others exist but probably not contributing anything to Wikimedia per se John F. Lewis (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
AFAICS, that wiki seems to just be a MediaWiki fork of tvtropes.org, which already has an interwiki prefix (tvtropes:). PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:09, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Considering this. I would appreciate it if This, that and the other would comment. PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
I note that Wikia is in the interwiki map, while ShoutWiki is not, for whatever reason. From a content perspective, Orain presently seems closer to ShoutWiki than Wikia. I personally would be in favour of adding both ShoutWiki and Orain simply for completeness' sake, but that's just a personal thing and not necessarily supported by strong, accepted reasons.
On the technical side, interwiki links to individual Orain wikis appear impossible with their current setup. They need a central redirector like Wikia, or at least to put all their wikis on their interwiki map. This, that and the other (talk) 08:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

ICANN Wiki[edit]



link: http://icannwiki.com/index.php/$1 prefix:icannwiki:

ICANNWiki, the independent collaborative resource for the ICANN community.

  • There is Top Level Domain explosion. WikiPedia do not allow creating pages for every top level domain.
  • This wiki contains very detailed information about all the generic top level domains.
  • Has many other topics related with the top level domains, such as DNSSEC.
  • Some of ICANNWiki sponsors are Google, VeriSign, ICANN, Donuts, Sedo, Dyn, DotAfrica, Radix.
Wikipedia has allowed pages about every top-level domain. There are hundreds of country-level domains, for instance. Not sure what "sponsors" have to do with anything, as we are not for sale? K7L (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
K7L, check out w:Template:Generic_top-level_domains, I have created some pages like w:.ninja etc, they have all been proposed for deletion or they were redirected. Plus, I have been blocked for a week for mass creating new pages (they claimed that for example .ninja is not popular thus cannot be created). Okay, if this is the case let's at least link them to ICANN Wiki. --Kirov Airship (talk) 17:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

WMFLabs' Phabricator[edit]



link: http://fab.wmflabs.org/$1 prefix:fabr

It seems some tools of WMFLabs will migrate into this, thus I wonder we can add an iwlink to it. Note: no "fab" because it's ISO 639-3 for Fa d'Ambu Language. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the Labs subdomain was only a temporary location, and that the "real" Phabricator would be in wikimedia.org. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. And wouldn't we eventually want the prefix "phab" anyway? (Or we could even have "ph"; it's not an ISO prefix. But that's a discussion for later.) This, that and the other (talk) 06:42, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania 2015 wiki[edit]



link: //wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1 prefix:Wm2015:

Wiki's created - why not iwiki prefix. --Base (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes please. This, that and the other (talk) 11:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Added Added diff. --Glaisher (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas (DPD)[edit]



Like [[drae:]], this is an elaborate work undertaken by the Real Academia Española (RAE – Royal Spanish Academy) and the Association of Spanish Language Academies with the goal of resolving questions related to the proper use of the Spanish language. It is one of the most used sources in Spanish Wikipedia (one of its possible URLs is currently included more than 81 000 times there).

Regards, and thanks in advance. --abián 19:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed removals[edit]

Symbol comment vote.svg This section is for proposing that a prefix be disabled; please add new entries at the bottom of the section. Remember to explain why it should be disabled, particularly in view of the difficulty involved in correcting any use of the prefix (to generate a list of pages to fix: toollabs:pirsquared/iw.php). Completed requests are marked with {{done}} or {{not done}} and moved to the archives.


Ourpla[edit]

No longer working TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Time2wait.svg On hold: see below. Nemo 14:32, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Empty, Support Support deletion. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
This one's is not on the map? Thehelpfulone 13:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe he meant AbbeNormal [5]? --Nemo 21:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Why do we have a personal blog on the map? PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

FinalEmpire[edit]

No longer available TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

(Note, checked up to freefeel wiki) TheDJ (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

All these should be first delinked (transformed in external links) on all wikis and only then removed, to avoid loss of information, with the possible exception of spam sites. Thanks for your report, Nemo 17:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added a list of links for each of the wikis above at tools:~nemobis/tmp/iwm/, please check it to confirm requests. --Nemo 21:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Lovely work Nemo. I concur with your approach and actions. I would also like to see some ability for your toy tool to be more widely available, even if it just did a count or had a count done a regular basis, and there was a means to request a full report in a timely fashion. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Empty, Support Support deletion. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
My skill with SQL queries is so close to zero that I asked Liangent to produce the script I used. It's linked from the top of the section, so any Toolserver user can run it and of course I can add or update lists immediately when requested on my talk. So far they don't seem to have been used. --Nemo 06:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Oh well, it was worth the try. :-) Maybe we can put a request at Tech to MZM — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
An API query http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=iwbacklinks&iwblprefix=wikitravel&iwbllimit=500 was mentioned on voy:project:Travellers' Pub but it seems to check only one wiki at a time. A toolserver SQL string is of no use to anyone other than an actual toolserver user (which seems to be just a limited few around here). Certainly the global list of wikitravel: spam is invaluable and something wikivoyageurs will want to know if all those links need to be updated, but it would seem we need the same info for every prefix deletion request here if the sole criterion for deletion is to be use or lack of use on individual wikis. K7L (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
The list has already been provided above, but 1) no it's not the sole criterion but surely a requirement; 2) it's not for w:WP:BEANS so if people start pseudo-vandalising wikis I won't produce such lists any longer; 3) wikivoyagers have surely better things to do than removing links to their own wiki (see #Requests for updates). --Nemo 00:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
If it's "not the sole criterion but surely a requirement" for any removal request, that's going to affect every request... not just links to one particular wiki (which I won't discuss right now as it's currently in TfD on en: and Pages à Supprimer on fr:). There needs to be some sort of web interface to this toolserver script so anyone can run this query for any prefix before opening a discussion here - much like any WP:AFC n00b simply clicks on "webreflinks" or "citation bot" from an en.wp template to watch those tools do some useful task. K7L (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Broken URLs[edit]


Some were moved to #guildwarswiki and updated. I made lists of usages for the prefixes above available at tools:~nemobis/tmp/iwm/, in case someone wants to help me check them. --Nemo 17:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
If I understand the format of your files correctly, none of the ones I have looked at are in use at all (except for a few on testwiki). Surely you could just sort each file and compare them automatically, to see which ones have any usages? This, that and the other (talk) 10:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I could, but I'm not good at that sort of things and instead I propose that someone improves the script. :) For now I paste here the lines count; in theory all the unused ones should have as many lines as the wikis are, but numbers don't match that well so there may be some mistake.
      733 allwiki
      732 AllWiki
      732 BibleWiki
      732 CorpKnowPedia
      732 DejaNews
      732 FinalEmpire
      732 GotAMac
      732 GreatLakesWiki
      732 JamesHoward
      732 JiniWiki
      732 KerimWiki
      732 Kpopwiki
      732 LugKR
      732 OpenFacts
      732 OSI reference model
      732 PerlNet
      732 SMikipedia
      732 SVGWiki
      732 Swingwiki
      732 Tavi
      732 TESOLTaiwan
      732 TibiaWiki
      732 Turismo
      732 Vinismo
      732 Webisodes
      732 Wikinvest
      732 Wikipaltz
      732 Wikischool
      732 WikiWeet
      734 world66
--Nemo 21:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
It's because some of your files haven't been updated since Sept last year, and many new wikis have been opened since then! Can I suggest you re-generate all the older files? (ps. "echei" seems to have one meaningful link here on meta.) This, that and the other (talk) 09:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Nah, they only needed some cleanup but I was too lazy to do it properly. Now it should be correct. So they're all unused? I'm not sure I'm doing the queries correctly, mind you. --Nemo 09:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
@Nemo bis: wikinvest:concept/U.S._Economic_Cycles - this is a wiki (albeit one filled with ads and comments). See the "edit" link? See also wikinvest:special/Version. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
@Nemo bis, PiRSquared17: The following from this list are now unused, except for trivial usages (i.e. testwiki:Interwiki-table, es:Ayuda:Cómo se edita una página and similar places): allwiki, corpknowpedia, dejanews, finalempire, gotamac, jiniwiki, kerimwiki, lugkr, perlnet, svgwiki, tesoltaiwan, webisodes. Some have only one non-trivial use: wikipaltz is used on n:Talk:Hundreds_of_SUNY_New_Paltz_students_demonstrate,_storm_administration_building only. Among the others, wikinvest in particular is still heavily used. If you want the full data, I will happily provide it, or you can generate it yourself (see User:This, that and the other/interwiki). This, that and the other (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

MetaWiki[edit]

Hi. Everytime I want to use the Meta-Wiki interwiki, I always have the reflex to use [[:MetaWiki:]], but this links to http://sunir.org/ and I think this is wrong. If we want to keep linking on sunir.org, we should create interwiki [[:MetaWikiSearch:]] and not monopolize "MetaWiki" in other way than Meta-Wiki. Thank you. Benoit Rochon (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. --MF-W 00:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I have also had the same confusion so agree with this. --Glaisher [talk] 07:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
What, metawiki: doesn't go to this project? Support Support redirecting the prefix to this project. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:32, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
How many uses are there on WMF projects? What about on other projects using this interwiki map (hard to measure)? I recommend we change any remaining usages to a new version before changing this, so we don't end up with weird broken links. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: I've figured out how to find usages of interwiki prefixes using Wikimedia Labs; see User:This, that and the other/interwiki. (Nemo, you might be particularly interested in this.) Data for this "metawiki" prefix is at User:This, that and the other/metawiki. All the usages seem erroneous or trivial. It is worth noting that namespaces do not appear relevant to the sunir.org site, so links to metawiki:User:xyz would never have worked as intended.
As for other projects using this interwiki map, I think it is unlikely that any would exist, due to the difficulty of adapting our dumpInterwiki/rebuildInterwiki scripts to external installations. Even if others are using our data, the metawiki: interwiki prefix is installed by default with MediaWiki (pointing to sunir.org), so people should still have it anyway.
Personally I think this Metawiki Search site is so badly out of date that it should just be removed from the map. Many of the wikis indexed by Metawiki Search are stale or no longer accessible. This, that and the other (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I have to agree with TTO - Metawiki Search is an artifact of the early wiki network. Sunir's never going to update it - even MeatballWiki has been fishbowled now. Sad times, but we have to move on. — Scott talk 15:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
@Scott, Nemo bis: I agree that this is reasonable to remove, as it has no real usage, except for people who meant to use "m:" or "meta:" (or archaic "metawikipedia:"). (When I made my previous comment here, I had no statistics on usage.) Any objections? PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

rt[edit]

The "rt" interwiki prefix was added in this edit following this talk page post (can't really call it a discussion...). RT is private and the cited use-case is wikitech:httpsless domains, which pretty clearly doesn't use this interwiki map. There's also now confusion that "RT" is a namespace alias for the local "Research talk" namespace. Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 19:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

What exactly is "RT" used for? Searching for "RT" on Meta doesn't bring up anything that explains what it is, it's not in the glossary, and I can't find anything else of interest. The BestPractical site describes its product as the "leading enterprise-grade open source issue tracking system", but don't we already have bug tracking systems? There are a few uses, but I don't know which of these links are correct. I'd guess the ones that aren't numbers aren't really links to "RT", but I'm not sure. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:18, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: It's an internal, password-protected issue tracker used by the Wikimedia operations team for confidential stuff. Yes, anything that is not a number is not a correct use of this interwiki. The three uses on mediawikiwiki lead me to think this should stay, but it's definitely borderline. This, that and the other (talk) 10:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
See also the RT page on Wikitech. John F. Lewis (talk) 17:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

londonfetishscene.com/Wipipedia[edit]

I can't really imagine this website being useful enough to be listed as an interwiki link. It's basically a wiki devoted to a bunch of clubs in London. There are hundreds of local wikis on the internet, most of which cover a lot more (get it? "cover a lot more"? LOL). Anyway, this seems like someone's pet addition rather than a legitimately useful interwiki link. @Nemo: Do you want to see if it's actually in use anywhere? Kaldari (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

See here. PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:46, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Looks like there's about 10 real uses (mostly on en.wiki). Should be easy to migrate. Kaldari (talk) 02:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

johnabbe.wagn.org/AbbeNormal[edit]

Just a personal blog. Looks like another pet addition that isn't legitimately useful as an interwiki link. Kaldari (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

See #Ourpla above ... PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Kaldari: Some of us have much longer memories than you and don't feel the need to pass judgement on a site's "legitimacy". For what it's worth, I just came here to suggest removing John's wiki from the map. It's an artifact from the origin of the interwiki system, when we were a small family of sites belonging to individual people. Those days are long gone. — Scott talk 15:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Flyerwiki[edit]

Offline Flyerwiki has been offline for 18 months. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Smikipedia[edit]

Not functional SMikipedia is online but no longer has content. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Biblewiki[edit]

Not functional BibleWiki is online but no longer has content. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Tesol Taiwan[edit]

Spammed TESOL Taiwan is spam. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:32, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I support this removal. This was always a useless thing to have on the map, and it's exceedingly difficult to imagine that anyone would have ever actually been interested in linking to it from WMF wikis. Indeed, the two uses are trivial. This, that and the other (talk) 12:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
I will remove this if there are no objections. PiRSquared17 (talk) 05:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Removed Removed diff PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikichat[edit]

Not functional Wikichat is online but no longer has content. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

InfoAnarchy[edit]

Dead/spam See http://www.infoanarchy.org/en/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=3000Justin (koavf)TCM 04:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Removed Removed diff Four uses only and three on pages/sections which lists interwiki links. The other one modified. --Glaisher (talk) 12:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Requests for updates[edit]

Symbol comment vote.svg This section is for requesting update for an existing interwiki. This could be needed if your site's URL has changed. Please add new entries at the bottom of the section.

WMCZ[edit]

Hi all, just realised (through erroneously linking to it) that wmcz: links to the Meta page for the chapter, which is rather redundant. The chapter wiki at www.wikimedia.cz would be a more appropriate target, in my opinion. Regards, Daniel (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

As the vice chair of WMCZ, I would like to formally approve this request and ask everyone capable of doing it to change the target of the interwiki code. Thanks, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 14:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
@Daniel, Vojtěch Dostál: Yes check.svg Done diff. Please forgive me for the delay; I didn't notice this until now. All of the links would still work, since the pages on Meta have been copied to www.wikimedia.cz. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: are you sure? I tried wmcz:page and it still link to meta... am I wrong? --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 09:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
@Vojtěch Dostál: Did you read the header of IWM? It is not updated constantly from the list. Yes, I am sure I did it right. PiRSquared17 (talk) 13:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

thanks for clarification, --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

sulutil[edit]

Hi all. The link that points to Toolserver provided by [[sulutil:$1]] for SUL information should be replaced by Labs, //tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username=$1. Thanks in advance. --abián 11:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@Abián: it's already pointed to Labs since January... PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
That's right. I had tested on Wikitech, where the link hasn't been updated, so I thought it hadn't been updated globally yet. Thank you anyway. --abián 14:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Stewardry[edit]

The link that points to pathroschild´s stewardry tool, should be updated so it points to labs, at: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/stewardry/?wiki= --Snaevar (talk) 19:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiFur[edit]

Please remove the http: scheme from WikiFur: - we are accessible on https: as well. GreenReaper (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done on table, we await the next update.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikinfo[edit]

Wikinfo is now located at http://wikinfo.org/w/index.php/$1 (or http://wikinfo.org/w/English/index.php/$1 if you'd prefer to link to the English version). Cathfolant (talk) 17:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done diff. --Glaisher (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

mailarchive[edit]

The URL for mailarchive should be updated to https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/$1, i.e. changing the protocol from http to https. This is because this patch makes lists.wikimedia.org HTTPS only. Chmarkine (talk) 23:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W 14:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Troubleshooting[edit]

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Other discussions[edit]

Can the iwlinks database table be trusted?[edit]

PiRSquared17 and possibly others have begun relying on data from the iwlinks table, but are we sure the data in this table can be trusted? Has anyone done any research into whether it properly tracks interwiki links? For some reason I have strange thoughts that this table was previously unused and/or unreliable, but I may simply be mistaken. Hard data on its accuracy/trustworthiness would be good to have before we rely on it in making decisions about which interwiki links to keep or remove. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@Nemo bis, This, that and the other: have also been using it. toollabs:pirsquared/iw.php seems to work. Note that it is currently slow, but I will try to fix it soon. PiRSquared17 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
You can usually do some sampling to figure out if it's accurate. Is the table lazy-loaded? I think that's the key question. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
The interwiki search tool definitely presents current information, well it links disappear with removals, and not one link was incorrect.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, that doesn't answer the question. The issue isn't false positives, but false negatives. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
If you have evidence that iwlinks is giving wrong information, then Bugzilla is the place. Otherwise, there's really no point worrying about a hypothetical. If iwlinks is lazy-loaded then we might be missing some very recently added interwiki links, but for long-broken interwiki prefixes such as the ones being discussed for removal above, I don't think this is a concern. This, that and the other (talk) 03:07, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
This, that and the other: If the table is lazy-loaded, aren't you going to overlook links on any page that hasn't been null-edited since the change was implemented? This would naturally mean that older, less viewed and edited pages, which are most likely to use older entries on the interwiki map, would be ignored in any usage checks. :-/ --MZMcBride (talk) 21:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride: Which change are you referring to? This, that and the other (talk) 06:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
This, that and the other: The introduction of the iwlinks table. I'm trying to figure out whether the iwlinks table is trustworthy. Has anyone randomly sampled the data to ensure that it's accurate? If the table was introduced in 2010 and millions of pages haven't been touched since 2010, their links won't be tracked in the iwlinks table, right? --MZMcBride (talk) 18:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
How many pages are there that have not been touched since 2010? PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:18, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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As an example, n:Talk:Hundreds of SUNY New Paltz students demonstrate, storm administration building was last edited in March 2009, and I would find it hard to believe that anyone would have made a null edit to the page since then. Yet its interwikis to "wikipaltz" are in the iwlinks table for enwikinews.

And to answer your question, PiR, see Special:AncientPages on any wiki. This, that and the other (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

It was touched in 2012:
<page pageid="24510" ns="1" title="Talk:Hundreds of SUNY New Paltz students demonstrate, storm administration building" contentmodel="wikitext" pagelanguage="en" touched="2012-10-11T15:19:20Z" lastrevid="784213" counter="" length="41275" />
Does AncientPages go by last edit or date touched? PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
It goes by last edit. I see what you mean by "touched" now: I was assuming it just meant "last edit", but there is more to it than that.
This API query is interesting, if run repeatedly and when run on various different wikis (Spanish Wikibooks was just a random choice). You can see when pages were last touched and whether they have entries in the iwlinks table. So far I haven't found any anomalies (pages with pre-2011 touched dates that have interwiki links on the page but no iwlinks entries). This, that and the other (talk) 04:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
As for your question about pages that were touched long ago, you could run an SQL query on labs.
MariaDB [eswikibooks_p]> select page_namespace, page_title, page_touched from p
age where( page_namespace = 0 or page_namespace = 4) and page_is_redirect = 0 o
rder by page_touched asc limit 10 \G
*************************** 1. row ***************************
page_namespace: 0
    page_title: Odontotutor/3334remanentesreformtallar
  page_touched: 20061121160001
[etc]
This, that and the other (talk) 04:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
This, that and the other: Thank you for the reply! That does seem to answer the question. Can you please verify that the following queries are correct?
MariaDB [metawiki_p]> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM iwlinks JOIN page ON page.page_id=iwlinks.iwl_from WHERE page.page_touched < 20100000000000 AND iwlinks.iwl_title IS NOT NULL \g
+----------+
| COUNT(*) |
+----------+
|       33 |
+----------+
1 row in set (6.28 sec)
MariaDB [metawiki_p]> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM iwlinks JOIN page ON page.page_id=iwlinks.iwl_from WHERE page.page_touched > 20100000000000 AND iwlinks.iwl_title IS NOT NULL \g
+----------+
| COUNT(*) |
+----------+
| 22686477 |
+----------+
1 row in set (30.96 sec)
Seems strange to me. PiRSquared17 (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
The queries look right. You're right that it is strange. It would be great if we could get someone to effectively run lines 191-193 of includes/deferred/LinksUpdate.php on all pages across the WMF cluster (or at least all those created before 2011). Trouble is, that could take a long time, since it requires a full parse of each page in order to extract interwiki links. This, that and the other (talk) 06:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
MZMcBride, what do you think? PiRSquared17 (talk) 20:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
We should null edit every page. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
So there's no maintenance script for this? I'm not sure this is a good idea. Has it been done before? PiRSquared17 (talk) 00:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Replacing broken links[edit]

Can't we have someone design some sort of global bot to run along and change any of the 'interwiki prefixes' from [[prefix:foo]] to [http://whatever+foo foo] (or [https://whatever+foo baz] if [[prefix:foo|baz]]), then afterwards notify the larger communities like enwiki that the links will be deprecated? This bot will obviously ignore more complex coding like the iwlink being nested in a template, which would require a human check. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 11:49, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

See also[edit]