Talk:Main Page

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Propose full protection for main page

I would like to propose that we up the protection for the main page from edit=autoconfirmed to edit=sysop. For a lead entry page, it really should be better protected, and while the COIBot should not be editing here, and we will look to the fix, it may just be safer to tighten the control anyway. billinghurst sDrewth 15:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Totally agree. -Barras 15:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Good decision PS, thx. billinghurst sDrewth 13:23, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it would be a good decision, --Buster Keaton (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Lyrics

Dear Wikimedia Personnel,

I would like to propose that we use this wiki has a sister project for searching lyrics of songs, with the words and phrases being lead to their Wikitionary pages. That way it is easier to understand whether or not songs are appropriate, because the songs might have inappropriate lyrics some parents would not understand. I suggest the name to be Wikirics.

Sincerely,

Largerthanlife147 (talk) 16:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Unprotection of main page

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I'd like to request unprotection of the main page. This is counter productive. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 22:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

That is no valid reason. Also, this is nto for what that template is used. If you have an edit that needs to be done, then ask here. -Barras talk 22:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

What was the reason for the protection? Is it still valid? I intend to make loads of edit with people translating the main page. I cannot even edit the templates I have created anymore. Semi-protection is sufficient in my view. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 19:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the semi-protection was that the page got heavily attacked from different users/IPs. Not only the main papge itself actually, but the pages which are transcluded there. Nasty vandalism with links to spam/phishing pages and stuff. -Barras talk 19:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit links

The edit links all over the main page are ugly. Killiondude (talk) 20:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem is on this page, however, I usually break up stuff when I edit such pages. The edit is specially included in the code and should probably be removed. -Barras talk 19:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I tried to kill 'em once before and got reverted. See this edit for instance. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

BRD cycle, now we're discussing, I agree it's best to remove them. The Helpful One 19:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I've removed it from the intro. The rest are in here: Template:Main Page/Code. I tried to remove them, then previewed it before saving, but I screwed up whatever dark magick is is going on in the table coding. If someone else wants to give it a crack, by all means go ahead. Killiondude (talk) 20:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Mischief managed. The Helpful One 20:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Comment utile! Merci. Killiondude (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit links are a nice tool to encourage translations. Perhaps they could only display on non-English pages? I agree that they were rather ugly, though. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Issues clicking the "discussion" link

Hi. On Chrome I cannot click the "discussion" link to get to this page from the Main Page. Is this due to code on the main page...? I am not sure what else would cause it. I am using Monobook. It seems to work fine on Vector skin. Killiondude (talk) 20:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't work in monobook, but it seems to work in Vector, maybe other skins too. Tested in Firefox Aurora and Safari. πr² (t • c) 20:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=monobook will give people an idea of what's going on. No links on the top row are clickable (history, delete, move, etc.). Killiondude (talk) 21:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this is fixed now. Bypass your local browser cache, &c. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! πr² (t • c) 19:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Erm. Still broken for me. :( Killiondude (talk) 06:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Fixed again. My changes got lost in Krinkle's code move from MediaWiki:Monobook.css to MediaWiki:Common.css. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Killiondude (talk) 00:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

@MZMcBride: Thanks! And sorry for the loss of that change. By the way, it looks like this is a flaw in the stylesheet for monobook or common in core MediaWiki, not just here on Wikimedia. Could you please file a report in BugZilla? If I recall correctly, the hiding-method was changed in 1.18 or 1.19 because display: none; had side-effects defeating its very purpose! Screenreaders are given a link that jumps to #jump-to-nav. However browsers can't scroll to a section that has no place in the rendering, it has to have a place in the document structure and also in the visual rendering (so that the browser can calculate to which pixel it should scroll). The element can be transparant and only 1x1px in size, but it must not be display: none;. This new hiding method was apparently only tested in Vector and works there, but it needs fixing in Monobook (or perhaps a different hiding method that doesn't cause this problem in Monobook). Either way, using display: none; (as you did now) is not an acceptable solution in the long term. It's okay for now since it is an understandable decision to prioritize the ability for most people to click the navigation links at all, then to allow the smaller part of the population to be able to skip to the navigation using screenreaders, but really both are important groups so this should be fixed soon and this local change reverted. –Krinkle^talk 05:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I'm just glad that there was an easy fix to the problem. I didn't have the time or energy to do a full investigation, but you seem to be headed in the right direction. I filed bugzilla:36247 to track the issue. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 17:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Mass replacement

Is there any way that File:Tibet in China (all claimed).svg used on most Wikipedias which is politically biased can be automatically replaced on all Wikipediae by this image here File:Tibet in China (undisputed + other de-facto hatched) (+all claims hatched).svg ?

I don't have the patience to go and change it on every Wikipedia.. --Rvd4life (talk) 20:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Ask at commons. πr² (t • c) 21:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --Rvd4life (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Meta:Portada/es

Resolved.

Hi. Meta:Portada/es has a mistake. There is a row code because instead of "small" had wrote "samll" and it shows incorrectly. The page is protected and the TP has not activity since 2009, so that´s why I tell you here. I tried to report this in IRC, but I coudn't find the channel. Cheers. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 02:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Arreglado. Gracias. —Marco Aurelio (audiencia) 13:05, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Goings-on edit

I would like to use the main Meta page to promote the EduWiki Conference that Wikimedia UK is running in September, would that be possible? Thanks, Daria Cybulska (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Um. Could you explain what you are proposing to do in a little more detail please? --BozMo (talk) 08:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

invalid page certificate

check the certificates for [1] Planet Wikimedia

Orschstaffer (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

See bugzilla:38763. Ruslik (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Side-bar item leads to "very outdated" page

Meet Wikimedians ... could this link be removed, please? Tony (talk) 02:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

"Goings on"

Why is WikiFocus in the "Goings on" section, but other proposals for new projects (like WikiLang) aren't? WikiFocus is a very controversial meta-project, whereas WikiLang is quite an interesting idea. πr² (t • c) 21:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Make things easier

It's incredibly difficult to update the Goings-on section of this page. Can this be made easier? And perhaps it would also be great if it was translatable. Any ideas? Mathonius (talk) 22:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

We could copy the idea that is used on the Wikidata Main Page. πr² (t • c) 22:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Chapter news in Goings-on

Hey! Wikimedia Deutschland has recently released their project plans for 2013, with detailed descriptions of our goals, projects and milestones in English. We would like to encourage people to get involved in the discussion about those projects, because we think that 1) they have valuable input and experience we benefit from for our future work and 2) that there are projects which can motivate other chapters to copy the concepts and work on similar topics and 3) this might lead to fruitful cooperation between chapters. I'd love to see a link to those projects on the meta main page (goings-on), can one of the admins help me with this? Also, what do you think about creating something like a "chapters' news section" and a calender with important dates and deadlines on the main page? I'd be happy to join a group of people who are interested in revamping this page. :) Thanks, --Nicole Ebber (WMDE) (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Rename "Main Page" to "Home"?

Hi. Thoughts on renaming "Main Page" to "Home"? wikimediafoundation.org does this and I've always liked it. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this should be listed on WM:PPM. πr² (t • c) 20:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to advertise this discussion wherever. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

"Main Page" is as Wikimedian as motherhood and apple pie.--Pharos (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Apple pie? That doesn't sound likely to be FLOSS compliant! And motherhood? With this gender gap? Not a chance! --MZMcBride (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Home is where the heart is. Killiondude (talk) 06:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Tell me more. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Main page is the standard homepage on almost all wikimedia wikis and wikipedians are used to it. I don't see an advantage in changing it. Oppose Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 07:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

"Almost all Wikimedia wikis"? I don't think this is true. :-) I suppose gathering information on the value of MediaWiki:Mainpage across Wikimedia wikis would be pretty easy to do, but there's no way that almost all Wikimedia wikis (or Wikipedias) use "Main page". --MZMcBride (talk) 07:52, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

A quick look told me that it is less widespread that I thought, having checked a few major wikipedias. I still think that it is most likely the overwhelming title, Regardless, it is the main page title Meta has had for ages, and I fail to see compelling reasons to change it. It is the default mediawiki setting and the most widespread English language title. There need to be more compelling reasons for changing meta's Main page than "I like it". Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 08:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The logo was not always the logo. The sidebar was not always the sidebar. I'm not saying we must change the name of the main page. I think you offer a reasonable oppose vote (you seem to prefer "Main Page"). But I do think this is something worth discussing and considering. Yes, it's ultimately subjective, but given that we will always point Main page and Main Page (and many other titles) to wherever the main page content lives, I don't see any issue in discussing the possibility of a change. --MZMcBride (talk) 11:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Why does it matter which title we use if the title (heading) is hidden on the page itself? πr² (t • c) 13:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

It certainly matters much less. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't have strong feeling about the name of the Main Page, but I like "Main Page" much better than "Home", because it's such a nice peculiarity of (Media)Wiki(s). Plus, "Home" is a pain to translate. In German, for example, one would probably still translate it as Main Page, in lack of being able to use a translation of "home" in this case. --MF-W 19:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. The response here seems to be somewhere between lukewarm and mild, so I think we'll stick with "Main Page" for now. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Main Page really is geeky and awkward. I don't know the true history, but in my invented history "Main page" was nothing more than Wikipedia's way of not clashing with the Encyclopedia entry for w:Home. Now, because most wikis don't have that problem, Home would be the obvious thing to call it, in keeping with Web memes. Cleaving to Web memes is good interface design. I say it is time for MediaWiki to outgrow its Wikipedia straight jacket, or at least let down its hair and come Home. Home is not such a subversive concept, when you get down to it. We could start the reasonableness ball rolling right here on Meta. This change would be refreshing and a sign of hope. I'm all for it. And yes, I have a nostalgic pang for when MediaWiki was a baby, but it's not a baby any longer. But change is so confusing. Yes, do it please, before I start to cry. And it would help newcomers feel at home, which would be a good thing. --Rogerhc (talk) 05:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

How to delete

How to delete a file / image which I already uploaded to Wikimedia? Thanks. Celica21gtfour 17:00, 8 April 2013

If you mean Commons: then go to Commons:Commons:Deletion policy#Speedy_deletion for instructions. Ruslik (talk) 10:31, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: /* [en] Change to wiki account system and account renaming */

On the the Wikimedia Forum, a bot said, that accounts will be changed, due to a program. Can any of you people, somehow, change the results.--Apidium23 (talk) 10:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• I suggest that you take any questions about the renaming to Talk:Single User Login finalisation announcement. --Pine^✉ 19:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Date format in Goings-on

Should the "Goings-on" section (Template:Main Page/WM News) use two digit, zero-padded dates (e.g., 06 May) or non-padded ones (6)? PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Another thing: should it show two months or three? Goings-on says two. Nobody else seems to be archiving these currently. I've created MediaWiki:Editnotice-10-Main Page-WM News as an explanation of the template. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't like zero-padded dates. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Down with zeroes. Killiondude (talk) 20:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)