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[edit] Batches awaiting approval

The following requests will be verified for inclusion in upcoming batches of approvals. Please don't edit this section; to request updates, see "Requests for updates" below.

none yet.

[edit] Requests for updates

[edit] Status of Wikipedia Aceh

How is the status for Wikipedia Aceh now? Thanx. Si Gam Acèh 04:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

One last message is needed to complete the requirement for localising the "most used" messages. GerardM 08:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
We think, we have fulfilled all requirements for Acehnese Wikipedia Incubator's final approval (here is the statistics). How do you think? Thanx Mon Tasik 03:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
As you know, we have translated all MediaWiki messages (mostused) for Acehnese. But, we do not know why there are still untranslated messages. But now, we have translated them again. This is not our first time retranslate them. We hope Acehnese Wikipedia soon. We have waited for long time. Thanks, Danke and Cabaih. Si Gam Acèh 16:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Sometimes new messages are added to the software. You should keep them updated, even after your Wikipedia is created. SPQRobin (inc!) 17:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I see now. Thank you very much. But, how is the status for Acehnese Wikipedia now? Si Gam Acèh 02:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests ready for approval

There are two requests ready for approval the Western Panjabi wikipedia and the Bakhtiari wikipedia. They have done their localisation and they have been active (3 editors per month with more than 10 edits) for more than 3 months.--ZaDiak 21:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The Bakthiari proposal is not ready. The articles are very much two three lines for an article. We need more substantial articles before we can make any conclusions that are more positive. Thanks, GerardM 22:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] So-called "Pecheneg" language in the incubator

Hi! I have found a very strange project being maintained in the incubator: so-called "pecheneg language". It is a great problem occured. We just have another one "siberian" project but by Turkish now. The real Pecheneg language had been extincted 8-9 centuries ago! But here we can see both the project and the near-nonsence page in English Wiki with 12 speakers and almost 99% of turkish words :). I think it should be closed. Sura 22:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

People can do in the Incubator whatever they like. This does not mean that they have requested a project and it does not mean that they are likely to get their request approved. The language committee only looks at things when it is put in front of them. Thanks, GerardM 07:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I think, as long as there's no official request the language committee is not involved. But of course the Incubator project can decide to stop the test project if it cannot possibly lead anywhere. They could for example send them to Wikia. --::Slomox:: >< 16:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
So anyone could think out any artificial language by himself and start a project in the incubator? Sura 23:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a wiki. So yes. Incubator is a test project. Tests can fail or can be doomed to fail right from the start. Pecheneg Wikipedia will never be an official Wikimedia project under current rules and it's highly unlikely, that the rules will ever change in favor of it. So we should tell this to the people behind the test project. Tell them to create a Wikia project. It's in their own interest to find a safe hosting place. --::Slomox:: >< 08:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
@Sura: no, you can only start a project in Incubator if there's a valid ISO 639 code, which is the case for Pecheneg (we moved the whole test to match with ISO 639). I once explained them they won't get a Wikimedia project, but they continue (I don't know the details anymore..). Test projects without a valid ISO 639 code have priority to be deleted. SPQRobin (inc!) 18:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vegliot Dalmatian proposal

The same issue as above for Dalmatian [1] [2] Crazymadlover

For the record, Dalmatian (dlm) is not the same case as Pecheneg. It is a well-attested dead language with a valid code, not a constructed one bearing the name of a barely attested dead language. And second, Dalmatian has not been rejected yet, since there hasn't been any proposals for it. The proposal on Cml's 2nd link refers to the Dalmatian dialect, a modern Slavic dialect with no ISO-code. Of course, if someone actually makes a proposal for opening a dlm-Dalmatian wiki, it will be rejected per the current policy of not allowing projects with no native speakers. Finally, although there were two articles in the incubator written in Romanian, bearing the the dlm-code, I personally deleted their content and rewrote them using real dlm. --Omnipaedista 10:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Found it. --Omnipaedista 05:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update for Mirandese - MWL

I wanted to know what are the formal steps to approve the Mirandese Wikipedia. We have translated 100 essentials articles (some have been reviewed by me or by Amadeu Ferreira, one expert from Mirandese) and there are already more articles. Also, "Most Used Messages" have been localized. Thank you Cecílio 01:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Mirandese

  • Please, update the page of unoficial analysis of the Mirandese Wikipedia [3]. Thank you. Cecílio 04:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wiktionary Mirandese

  • Please, update the page of unoficial analysis of the Mirandese Wiktionary [4]. Thank you. Cecílio 04:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Simple english

Hi,

Several users raised the question of the existence of simple english wikipedia. Does it fall within the remit of this committee?

Ghaag 07:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

No, the committee is only responsible for managing requests for new wikis. —Pathoschild 10:43:12, 05 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Korean Wikiversity

At the moment the MediaWiki messages are done. The extensions are not yet done. I can state this on the page however the requirement of full localisation is at the moment of assessment. Therefore I can but it does not take away the need to maintain the localisation for the MediaWiki messages. Thanks, GerardM 07:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

There are still no full archives for January and February. --Partheus 21:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

And now it's April... --Partheus 21:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
May, yeah! --Partheus 00:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
And after that soon it was June. --Partheus 17:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Do not deny, do not deny, that on 6 of July, it was still not done... --Partheus 23:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for approval Mirandese Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of Mirandese Wikipedia. I think Mirandese Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval. Thank you. --Cecílio 09:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Palatinate German Wikipedia

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? The "500 most used messages" have been translated. Thank you very much. Holder 17:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Updated. SPQRobin (inc!) 00:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? I think now there is an active test project on incubator. What are the next steps? Thanks, Holder 07:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You need an active test project for at least three months (here is an analysis). SPQRobin (inc!) 11:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! ;-) Holder 05:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requirement for Living native speakers

"The proposal has a sufficient number of living native speakers to form a viable community and audience. (Wikisource wikis are allowed in languages with no native speakers, although these should be on a wiki for the modern form of the language if possible.)"

Would this not entail that Wikimedia projects are supposed to be usable products, rather than repositories of knowledgeable information? Why Latin, is it grandfathered in? —Centrx→talk • 01:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: "Latin". Yes, it was created before the language committee was created and they have no control over it. They only deal with new wikis. Cbrown1023 talk 03:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for approval Lower Silesian Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lower_Silesian. I think Lower Silesian Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval. Thank you. 89.75.193.135 13:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I think first you have to translate all "most used messages" on translatewiki.net. With regards, --Holder 16:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment (eml.wikipedia.org)

ISO retired the language code eml and splitted it into two new codes: egl (Emilian) and rgn (Romagnol). Is there a possibility to split the eml.wiki into two different wikis? As you can see from the eml:Main Page, there is a different Main page for each dialect spoken in w:Emilia-Romagna. There is a discussion now on it.wiki --FollowTheMedia 18:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

A discussion on it: is _completely_ irrelevant to the fate of the eml wiki, and what ISO does with its codes is irrelevant too. Only if the community of eml: wants to be split, that will happen.
And of course the language committe has no say in this too. The committee is only relevant for new projects. --::Slomox:: >< 17:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
The language might formulate an opinion. Not having a say is not the same as having an influence. GerardM 18:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Only if the community of eml wants to be split, that will happen.

Which way?
I'm very involved with it.
Sentruper , 11 May 2009

[edit] Requests for approval Meadow Mari Wikipedia

Hello! I want to request appoval for Meadow Mari Wikipedia. We have already translated all most used messages and I suppose that our community is rather active. --Сай 04:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

At this stage there are not enough people working on it. GerardM 18:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi! We have Meadow Mari Wikipedia on incubator since November 2006. And it was edited and active since March 2008 (look at automated statistics). Last few months the activity was not so big, because of translating the interface messages.
I know people that haven't registered on incubator yet. They are waiting for Mari Wikipedia, because it is not comfortable to write articles in incubator(you need to always write prefix Wp/mhr, you don't have a tool recent changes and so on). Thats why I am asking you for approval. Take a look at previous months, our community can be active. Recently we have translated interface messages, and now we are ready to make efforts on writing good articles. And writing articles is more comfortable in wikipedia than in incubator.
If you don't want to approve our wikipedia at this stage, please provide us information on how many editors should be in incubator for approval, and update our status page, please. --Сай 09:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
What's the problem, Gerard? Mari is important and endangered. We should help. Evertype 23:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I count three non-bot users who have contributed to the Mari test Wikipedia in 2009: Azim, Сай, and Leonst. That meets the criterion of "at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months". It's not super-active, but I think Сай is right that people will be more likely to contribute to a real Wikipedia than to the test. I see no reason not to move to final approval. Antony D. Green 17:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
But if we treat this request with the thought "people will be more likely to contribute on a real Wikipedia" then we should treat every request like that. Every test has the same situation [on Incubator]. SPQRobin (inc!) 13:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Come on, guys. Antony D. Green said that Mari Wikipedia meets the criterion of "at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months". Most-used MediaWiki messages are already translated, so the criteria of "complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language" meet too. If we need something more for approval, tell us, please, what is the problem. I really want to see real Mari Wikipedia. --Сай 03:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
It is activity. The request meets the criterion if you *combine* all not-grayed out editors. I thought the criterion means there need to be three not-grayed out editors for each month. Apparently it can be interpreted differently... SPQRobin (inc!) 07:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please, update status page, most-used MediaWiki messages are already translated. --Сай 04:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 Done M.M.S. 12:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I want to request appoval for Meadow Mari Wikipedia once again. All most used messages are already translated and now we have an active community. For two last monthes we have at least three not-grayed out non-bot users. --Сай 19:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this should be approved. 88.81.100.235 09:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! I am glad to inform you, Language committee, that now Mari Wikipedia Incubator commutity has three active not-grayed out editors for last three monthes (look at statistics). So, the last requirement is meet now.
Also I want to add, that there will be a big conference in July, 10. There would be around 150 young mari. I will take part in this conference and intend to talk about Mari Wikipedia to involve more people to contribute. There are more chances that new participants will contribute to Wikipedia than to Incubator. So, I am asking you to consider approval of Mari Wikipedia before the start of conference(before July, 10). As for me, I have some technical skills. I can help you, for example in creating subdomain mhr.wikipedia.org or in moving pages, etc. And of cource, if you think that mari wikipedia don't have something for final approval, please, write it here immediatly, so we can fix and solve all the problems before July 10. --Сай 11:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, this is very good. I don't know who pushes the button to turn the new Wiki on but if you're reading this please DO IT. Evertype 07:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
If all requirements have been met and a detailed investigation finds no unresolved problems, the language subcommittee will notify the Board of Trustees of pending approval. If the board does not veto the decision within at least four days, the request will be approved and developers will be asked to create the wiki. - these is the final approval process. Evertype, you are the member of language subcommittee, so now you and other members of the committee should notify the Board of Trustees of pending approval. And the button to turn the new Wiki on would be pushed. --Сай 11:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The policy says it has to be verified by external sources before final approval. This is the same for all current requests which have been proposed at the langcom mailing list. I asked what the state is of current requests but there is no real answer. SPQRobin (inc!) 19:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to Tim and others from Wikimedia tech team! Wikipedia in Meadow Mari has been created. --Millosh 19:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sorani activity

Hi, I left the following note at the incubator:

Attention: The incubator is actually not being used for ckb at the moment. Since the new wiki will probably be created by transferring the existing 500+ Kurdish Sorani pages from the Kurdish Wikipedia, transferring them here and later to ckb would be useless double work.

Hope this is ok. Pathoschild's question about Sorani activity is answered here. --Erdal Ronahi 09:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Korean Wikinews

It is up-to-date. The MediaWiki core messages are translated at this moment, but they should be updated regularly so therefore they aren't marked as "done". SPQRobin (inc!) 18:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for close

Is it possible to close this proposal as "rejected"?. Thanks. —Dferg (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for approval Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Hello! I want to request appoval for Lower Silesian Wikipedia. We have already translated all "most used messages" and I suppose that our community is rather active. Thank you. 89.75.193.135 16:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mirandese Wikipedia

I believe the Mirandese Wikipedia already fulfills all the necessary requirements to have its own wiki. Take into account that, if this is approved, it will be the first wiki in Mirandese, not the second as it may seem from the apparent necessary requirements: the Wiktionary is also underway but still has not formed a necessary community. Malafaya 15:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Nobody replies? I don't understand why the Mirandese Wikipedia isn't already approved. Can please someone give me one credible answer? In Portuguese national TV where announced some "works" done for MY language, like translating big sites used in Portugal, but it seams that Wikipedia just doesn't want to approve Mirandese Wikipedia. Who looses is the Wikipedia itself, the Mirandese Language, and worst, many children that may learn something with the work that is already done, but they won't visit it because the URL is too ** long; besides they are native Portuguese speakers but in portuguese wiki articles there is no connection to mirandese. É para amanhã ou quê? Pardon my English. --Cecílio 06:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update - Western Panjabi Wikipedia

Hi,

Could someone please update the Status of Western Panjabi Wikipedia?

Thankyou very much. --Jose77 23:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Lower Silesian Wikipedia

Could you please update Language_committee/Status/wp/sli? The "500 most used messages" have been translated. I think there is also an active test project. Thank you very much. Holder 12:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. SPQRobin (inc!) 16:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for approval bakhtiari Wikipedia

I want to request the approval of [[5]]. I think bakhtiari Wikipedia already passes all criteria for final approval.Could you please update [[6]]?. Thank you.--Behdarvandyani 14:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Behdarvandyani.
There must be an active project until approval. The Bakhtiari Wikipedia Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
So look for some native speakers and and build an active project.
With kind regards, Holder 09:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] egl.wikipedia and rgn.wikipedia

:A discussion on it is _completely_ irrelevant to the fate of the eml wiki, and what ISO does with its codes is irrelevant too. Only if the community of eml: wants to be split, that will happen.

That sounded totally strange to me! Back in 2006 (!) I already proposed a Wikipedia in Romagnol:

Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Romagnolo

This was the final decision:

This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 02:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ehi! Pathoschild is you!
Please, help me to understand: NOW meta.wikimedia has new rules.
But I can read this:

* Requisites for eligibility

    1. The proposal ...
    2. The language must have a valid ISO-639 1–3 code (search).

Sentruper, 11 May 2009

[edit] Türkçe Vikihaber projesi (Turkish Wikinews project)

  • Şu sayfayı güncelleyebilir misiniz? (Can you please update this page?)--Reality006 13:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for korean wikinews

Language committee/Status/wn/ko

I think that it can be final approved. -- WonRyong 06:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello WonRyong. I think there are two requirements, which aren't met by your project:
There must be an active project until approval. The Korean Wikinews Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
Second point is that for a wikinews project the "extensions used by wikimedia" have to be translated on translatewiki.net. The localization statistics for Korean: extension used by wikimedia foundation 86.40% (required: 90%), so first you have to translate these messages on translatewiki.net. With regards, Holder 12:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] new project creation timeline?

Is there a new project creation timeline available anywhere on Meta already, that tells me - in chronological order - which project was created when? I'd be interested in the creation ratio. --::Slomox:: >< 13:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI, all creations since 2007 are on the page incubator:I:SCL. SPQRobin (inc!) 12:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Have a look her: Wikimedia_projects. But I don't know whether these dates are correct. Holder 07:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for approval Georgian Wikisource

Hello, I would like to request approval for Georgian Wikisource. There seem to be many people who are interested in creating it. Also this is the Test project.--George Mel 16:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi George Mel
for an approval of a Georgian Wikisource project all messages and extensions used by wikimedia have to be translated on translatewiki.net.
Kind regards, Holder 08:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Greetings Holder, first of all thank you for your reply.

All the necessary Mediawiki messages have already been translated & are used across all Mediawiki projects. Generally speaking, these messages aren't translated in Wikipedia itself, so asking us to translate this seems unrealistic. Also, I'd like to mention, that creating Georgian Wikisource is a very up to date deceision, as there is just one normal library in Georgian Web. It's possible to find a dozen of reasons why Georgian Wikisource is worth creating for example that growing number of people is getting access to Internet. I agree with you up to a point, that rules must be obeyed, but sometimes bureaucratic rules must be ignored. Best Regards, --George Mel 16:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

When the messages in Georgian have been localised elsewhere, it can be requested to have them imported in translatewiki.net. The developers at this site will run some checks on it. Only when the messages at translatewiki.net are at 100% for the two required categories will we consider your request. Thanks, GerardM 10:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for approval Mirandese Wikipedia

Please, what more do we have to wait for see a Mirandese Wikipedia approved? We have already done all the requirements. Please, approve it as soon as possible. -- Chabi

[edit] Request for update Coptic & Ancient Greek Wikisource

Can you please update Language committee/Status/ws/cop & Language committee/Status/ws/grc so that they are categorized under their respective categories under the Multilingual (aka: "Old") Wikisource? They have been transferred from Incubator to Oldwikisource recently and have subsequently met the requirements for a test project at Oldwikisource. (See my notes for Coptic Wikisource & Ancient Greek Wikisource.) Thanks, ~Troy 20:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Done SPQRobin (inc!) 22:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Palatinate German Wikipedia

Could you please update Language committee/Status/wp/pfl? --Holder 08:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update Lithuanian Wikinews

Hello, could you please update this page Language committee/Status/wn/lt? Matasg 22:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The current statistics are 99.350% for the Wikimedia core messages and 37.96% for the messages of the extensions used by the Wikimedia Foundation. Thanks, GerardM 10:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Matasg,
this means: for an approval of a Lithuanian Wikinews project the extensions used by wikimedia have to be translated on translatewiki.net.
Kind regards, Holder 17:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for update the Adyghe Wikipedia

Could you please update this page Language_subcommittee/Status/wp/ady. If any! كهيعص 06:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello كهيعص. I think there are two requirements, which aren't met by your project:
There must be an active project until approval. The Adyghe Wikipedia Project on Incubater is rather inactive at present (look here). A project is called active, if at least three users make ten edits per month for at least three months.
Second point is that for a new project the "media wiki messages (most used)" have to be translated on translatewiki.net. With kind regards, Holder 08:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


Thanx alot كهيعص 10:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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