Talk:Wiki Project Med
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The use of Wikipedia by doctors for their information needs
This is a proposal for a research project to study the relationship between Wikipedia and the information needs of doctors. The community's knowledge and feedback is more than appreciated!
I have some bias but I prefer the blue logo. CFCF, I saw that you just changed it. It hurts, a lot, but I understand the usefulness of considering alternatives. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Documenting education outreach
Hello. Since about 2011 there has been a en:Wikipedia:Education Program. It does outreach to schools, including medical schools, and in the past members of Wiki Project Med have supported this class outreach. There has not been an official on-boarding process, but the precedent in practice has been that Wiki Project Med members have supported every medical class that has been identified anywhere. I wish to start logging all identified medical classes here in Wiki Project Med's space as an archive to review the history of outcomes of these projects. Please check what I am doing at Wiki Project Med/education outreach. Here are some points which may be worth considering:
- This page is accessible through Wiki_Project_Med#Education_outreach, so its intended audience would be people who navigate from there or people who have a direct link
- Please note the model of the project pages. I was thinking that as soon as any school does two events, then they could have a project page like this which serves as a directory of all of their projects. For UCSF, their event pages were not previously connected so I connected them in this project page based on descriptions from single event pages. For Icahn, I modeled their page after the UCSF one, which was not an established model. The advantage of the project page is that right now, courses cannot be categorized like any other Wikimedia page so a list of links to all course pages is the best way I know to collect all the classes. It is useful to find all classes at an institution or in a series so that outcomes can be reported for the series more easily.
- Classes which just happen once are listed as individual classes, and all information about single classes can be kept on those class pages
- So far as I know, there is no precedent in the education program to tie multiple classes in the same school into a unified record of activity, so I know of no precedent that I could have followed for this. Wikimedia chapter reporting could have been a model but I thought those pages are more complicated than is merited here.
- I stated association of both projects with Wiki Project Med. I think that there should be some kind of affiliation model. I know that these things are being developed. Probably some review is nice. I do not want to take undue liberty, but at the same time, I hope that every aspect of both of the projects currently listed meet the standards for educational affiliation which Wiki Project Med may or may not someday want to formalize. It would be my wish as a project participate to be able to anticipate "affiliation", whatever that means, between classes and Wiki Project Med in the future. Right now, the major benefit which I would like to associate with affiliation is good will to the class from Wiki Project Med members, support in bringing health editing issues from the class to a WikiProject Medicine (on English, probably, but in the future maybe anywhere), support for even having the class contribute to Wikipedia in accord with standards from the Wikipedia Education Program, and a willingness to hear special needs from the class if they come up.
- I personally am keen to support medical schools in participating in the Wikipedia Education Program as part of my routine work at the United States-based nonprofit organization :en:Consumer Reports]]. I and my organization think it is good for medical students to edit Wikipedia, and my employer is kind to encourage me to do outreach. My work benefits from Wiki Project Med support of classes in the Wikipedia Education Program.
None of this requires further development. If anyone has criticism of this model then speak up. Anyone can list and link to any classes they see on this Wiki Med course listing. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I found out that in my own city someone was already doing documentation for a cohort of classes. See this model:
- This seems to me to be a lot of work. I hope that automated categorization comes soon. It is supposed to be available for medicine and psychology as pilots by autumn 2015 from Wiki Ed Foundation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:03, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Talk page redirects
This project has many subpages as can be seen at Special:PrefixIndex/Wiki_Project_Med/. Wikiproject Medicine at English Wikipedia also has many subpages, as can been seen at en:Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/, and it manages them by having most or all of the talk pages of the sub pages redirect to the talk page of the main page.
Health Information for All
Wondering if we should put
"We support the global initiative Healthcare Information For All. We believe that every person and every health worker should have access to the healthcare information they need to protect their own health and the health of those for whom they are responsible."
- Yes, in that case that seems like a good idea to me.
- Considering the issue of branding and noting affiliations more broadly, I also am wondering about branding. At Wiki Project Med/education outreach I just made some course pages for some classes, and am unsure of how to note affiliation. At all of the schools, presumably the schools should get some branding credit for hosting the class. I personally participated in the project at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, and there, they were encouraged to note sponsorship from their school's organization overseeing student groups to emphasize that this was a student project, and not an official project supported by the entire school. Similarly, I expect that many Wikimedia classes might be supported only by their departments, like Amin's UCSF class might be supported by the psychiatry department but not the entire UCSF medical school.
- Beyond this I am talking to en:American Medical Student Association members about collaboration, and wondering what kind of branding I should offer to AMSA. I expect that in a collaboration involving AMSA members then they would like their affiliation noted. Personally, I like the nonprofit values that AMSA has and their commitment to declining funding from the pharmaceutical industry.
- I have my own bias in this in that when I support classes I would like to note support somehow from my employer, Consumer Reports. I am not sure what this should look like to readers, and also I am wondering what kind of categories or automated sorting systems that I can apply to collect outcome metrics about all students in all classes which I personally support with outreach.
- There is still also the issue of getting Wiki Project Med support for outreach projects. I have never explicitly asked for it, but if it is available, I might like to affiliate all of my medical outreach work with Wiki Project Med, and to be a Wiki Project Med member whose work product is counted as an outcome of the existence of Wiki Project Med. In this kind of affiliation, I would like the benefits of affiliating my work with Wiki Project Med and getting some kind of approval that what I am doing meets Wiki Project Med standards, and in return I would offer Wiki Project Med credit for whatever I do and comply with Wiki Project Med standards.
- This could be a starting point for discussion, and one possible policy to have until things get more complicated:
- Wiki Project Med approval is granted on a project-by-project basis, and there are no formal standards for getting it. It comes by request, and has no clear costs or benefits, but includes the privilege of posting a link to Wiki Project Med along with a back link which says "This project is in affiliation with Wiki Project Med."
- Concerning other branding, Wiki Project Med asks that if any additional partners begin to support a particular project and want their logo and brand put on a project page, then they ask for additional review. This is to give Wiki Project Med the opportunity to cease affiliation if that could mean some difficulty in associating with any controversial partner.
- Thoughts? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Models for noting partnerships on project pages
Currently there is no standard for noting partnerships on any Wikimedia community project page. Perhaps Wiki Project Med would be interested in piloting a model.
|some models for presenting logos and links to project partners|
Thanks to the partners in this project.
I prefer this model because it is the easiest to use and because it looks nice. A drawback with this model is that organizations with long logos may not be easy to read.
The images would need to be manipulated for placement and size. Probably for this box any image placement changes would have to be done by using a new image, instead of by manipulating placement instructions. This box always right-justifies the images and is in-line with text.
This seems a little crowded.
Thanks to the partners in this project.
This is not rendering nicely here because this model depends on screen size and the native specifications for the image size to present the images. In this mode image width can not be controlled, so a change in width would have to be done by uploading a new version of the image. Probably there is too much configuration here to depend on new users to work this system. Documentation is at mw:Help:Images#Gallery_syntax.