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Programmes proposal for WM-LGBT 2014/15[edit]


Hi, as we move to being recognized as a formal User Group, this is a good time to layout what our activities are likely to look like in the coming year, and to have a think about how to ensure volunteers feel empowered to have a go at creating new projects and no individual feels stressed by being responsible for driving everything themselves. Based on various discussions and recognizing the success of our Wiki Loves Pride campaign, I propose the following structure of top level programmes under which may be multiple projects in that area. For example the Wiki Loves Pride programme might include planned projects in the USA, South Africa and other countries, with each project potentially having difference groups of people interested and different needs in terms of support and funding. Being open to running projects in different ways is a healthy thing, as folks neither need to ask permission or need to feel bound to any special bureaucracy. -- (talk) 10:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed programmes[edit]

1. Wiki Loves Pride

  • Running as multiple projects every year spanning many countries, possibly with a contest and fun prizes on Wikimedia Commons, though there could be potential for prizes for related article improvement. I see this as having an enthusiastic programme team with a bit of funding for the competition.

2. LGBT "help desk"

  • Through direct email, group email list, IRC - this is an ongoing feature of what we do, but we should think about attracting volunteers who are interested in hanging out in these different channels to help with questions. No specific funding needed, but we might need to ensure enough volunteers stay interested and we might consider if there is value in training depending on what issues arise.
  • The scope for help that we might offer is limited, this is expanded on at Wikimedia LGBT/email.

3. LGBT+ Education

  • This programme is an umbrella for LGBT+ in the education sector, so would include projects with Universities, and projects aimed at creating new educational resources supported by Wikimedia projects, such as targeted images, video and texts so that the public have authoritative resources better to understand LGBT+ issues and answer questions such as "what is LGBT?", "what is gay sex?", "what is a transsexual?", and "why do we need special LGBT rights?"
  • There are channels for advocacy for LGBT+ educational access, and we must remain clear that this is advocacy for neutral and quality knowledge, not any political bent. This would be for those passionately interested in tackling topics where access or content are problematic due to interference. One might think of China, Turkey and Russia internet restrictions, but also access to LGBT information and educational resources in schools or countries with religious governance and censorship. In many countries LGBT+ education is likely to be treated as homosexual lobbying even when the information has no specifically sexual content. It would be great if in a year's time WM-LGBT were seen as a reference group for Wikimedia projects to canvas an authoritative opinion from. There may be reasons to fund travel or conference scholarships and projects to create needed educational resources may need funding.
  • The It Gets Better project is a global initiative to create videos aimed at LGBT youth who may be experiencing harassment or discrimination, showing that it gets better. Originally started by Dan Savage in the USA, the project was created after several LGBT related suicides with significant news coverage. The initiative has an affiliates and a legal programme, both of which may be relevant for WM-LGBT as part of our education programme.

4. LGBT+ research

  • Richard F. has given an example relating to content creation, but we need much better quality information on the international experience of LGBT+ Wikimedia editors. I believe it would be straightforward to obtain research grants in this area, if anyone were to spend time developing proposals.

5. LGBT+ History and culture - including GLAM partnerships

  • This programme encompasses projects to increase both awareness of LGBT+ history from the third sex in ancient history, through to gay rights campaigns and documenting contemporary culture (interviews with rollerskating nuns anyone?). Around the world there are LGBT+ archives which would benefit from more use and improved access and the LGBT+ User Group could help ensure that the importance of virtual access is emphasized and becomes part of projects for GLAM improvements in 2015.
  • The LGBT Free Media Collective is a collaborative effort by LGBT organizations and Wikimedia projects to collect, archive and make available media files related to the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) communities. Goals for upcoming year could include more intentional outreach to new content partners and development of on-wiki marketing materials and documentation for on-wiki participants (right now a lot of it is based on GLAM outreach language designed for communication with potential outreach partners). Also - should we do a rename to reflect the "+"?

6. Wikidata:Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT

  • Assist with WikiProject LGBT on WikiData to improve LGBT-related content on Wikidata.

7. LGBT + Health and Medicine

  • Develop partnership with Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine, Wikipedia:WikiProject Pharmacology, and other health and medicine related Wikipedia projects to set goals in improving the coverage of LGBT health Wikipedia articles within these WikiProjects, and to enliven the discussion about LGBT health articles on Wikipedia.

Please do chip in with your thoughts or feel free to add or extend to the above. -- (talk) 10:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

This is great. Thanks for fleshing out your ideas, Fae. I am sure these fit into one of the above categories, but I didn't specifically see the Education Program or GLAM mentioned. I think it would be great if we partnered with existing programs and supported LGBT-related projects at universities and cultural institutions. LGBT+GLAM! (Artwork, anyone?) :) --Another Believer (talk) 14:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm definitely willing to help specially in the LGBT help desk, I'm in OTRS queue of Persian and English so It's easier for me to help that part. Also I think it'll be good if we work on Wikimedia LGBT/It Gets Better, if you think it's not good idea let's put it aside and focus on other things Amir (talk) 07:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Excellent pointers. AB, I'm thinking that Education does need highlighting and I'll re-write 3 later today as it is probably a similar vein. I'll add another programme for LGBT+ History and GLAM partnerships. Though we do not want to duplicate any existing WikiProject on LGBT studies, we probably do have the capabilities to be more proactive on working with archives and institutions that are themselves interested in helping shine a light on LGBT culture and history.
Amir, do have a crack at improving the OTRS proposal, it will be helped by your language skills and perspective as to what is a priority. I'll probably try taking it forward next week. IGB is an interesting proposal, presumably we can wrap into the existing IGB global project, just providing resources for Wikimedians to share their experience. It is a positive way of addressing cyberbullying, or the fear of it, and might be part of 2 above or an Education project as part of 3. I'll ponder how to include it this evening.
Yes check.svg Done -- (talk) 09:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I've just added #6 and #7 to the list as additional projects of interest! OR drohowa (talk) 14:57, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm unsure what projects under #6 would look like. If you have something in mind, such as pulling on a LGBT related database from elsewhere, it might be an idea to describe it. -- (talk) 10:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Or, perhaps we have one program section to specifically focus efforts on Wikimedia projects. Here is where we could list all WikiProjects such as the LGBT task force at Wikidata, WikiProject LGBT studies at ENWP and their equivalents at Wikipedias of other languages, LGBT Free Media Collective at Commons, LGBT Expedition at Wikivoyage, etc. --Another Believer (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
What is being described is probably fairly technical, so a LGBT geek interest programme that might be fitting. Lumping Wikimedia projects into one programme would not work as other programmes have Wikimedia project outcomes, for example Wiki Loves Pride is entirely focussed on creating Wikimedia Commons content. -- (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

"Gregory Varnum's LGBT Encyclopedia Picks Up Where Wikipedia Ends" (The Advocate)[edit]

Congrats, Greg. The Wikimedia and LGBT movements are lucky to have you! --Another Believer (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) --Varnent (talk)(COI) 03:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Great. Thanks, User:Varnent :) OR drohowa (talk) 19:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

"What a dump!", or the big WikiProject LGBT Studies cleanup drive of 2014[edit]

Over on English Wikipedia, I've proposed a cleanup drive to try and reduce the number of LGBT topic area articles that have warning templates by roughly half by the end of 2014. Please see the WikiProject talk page on English Wikipedia. —Tom Morris (talk) 06:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I just saw this and will make time to do some work to help you. Thanks for the post. Yours, OR drohowa (talk) 04:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for help in German[edit]

Re: c:Commons:Help_desk#A_1910_photograph.2C_author_unspecified

If someone understands the Frauen Kultur Archiv, there's a photograph of an Lesbian activist from 1910 to save! -- (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Portland, Oregon: Feminist and Queer Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Sept. 13[edit]

For anyone wanting to attend in person or support our efforts remotely, there will be a Feminist and Queer Art Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon in Portland, Oregon on Saturday, September 13. --Another Believer (talk) 17:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, Jason! Wish I could be there. Another time... OR drohowa (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

USA Gov Outreach - GLIFAA Office of Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs[edit]

Hi everyone, I'd be interested in reaching out to governmental LGBT affairs offices as Wikimedia/Wikipedia has gotten some nice press with recent C-SPAN coverage. Specifically, I think we could have an in with the Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs - GLIFAA office. We could try to reach out and talk to them about Wikipedia and public policy, and the type of information that they may be able to provide to Wikipedia. Ping me if you are interested or have thoughts on pursuing this connection. OR drohowa (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

3 thoughts on this that are a bit theoretical and a bit tangential, but I'll put out there, possibly for discussion:
  1. My related experience when both establishing a chapter and maintaining government/large organization contacts (in relation to copyright) was that from an unpaid volunteer's perspective it can be time consuming and might be of limited interest to the main body of volunteers on our network. In balance it is a real bonus to have some outreach, which might mean our local WM-LGBT+ volunteers can help with presentations ("Case studies of successful engagement with Wikipedia" etc.), be invited to sit on relevant joint committees, or a known point of contact for timely questions or press contacts. Consequently if there are volunteers happy to be the key points of contact, go for it and remain realistic as to the availability of others on our network. Sustaining involvement might be a long game.
  2. Look to invert the point of contact issue. For example when handling early GLAM partnerships that made the UK chapter rather well known on the global GLAM platform, the key to success was to encourage the internal day to day point of contact to be the Wikimedian advocate from the inside. For example, if you can get the internal person to come to some wiki-meets and get more experience as an active Wikimedia project contributor and play with our tool themselves, this becomes a great basis on which to start proposing projects. This approach decreases our reliance on significant time from an unpaid volunteer, as this inversion means that their time is increasingly seen as a valued commodity to plan and book while the project management/relationship management aspects are being pushed along by someone where this has become part of their job. Face-smile.svg
  3. Our WM-LGBT+ network has to mature, we are probably not yet ready for lots of "sub-networks", though there may be enough interest in 2 or 3 (WM-LGBT+GLAM? WM-LGBT+OTRS? WM-LGBT+OUTREACH?). Obviously the US Government could be a massive valuable resource to support our user group with LGBT related materials and guidance, so this is definitely to be pursued. At the same time we need to draw people in to the stuff that is most relevant to Wikimedia volunteers - global content creation projects. This is why Wiki Loves Pride is low hanging fruit for us and now it's running is much easier to sustain. Other things are important but harder, such as offering a confidential OTRS queue devoted to LGBT+ issues on our projects.
-- (talk) 11:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Creating a Translation Task Force[edit]

Another idea- I think it could be cool for us to develop a translation task force for LGBT articles, mimicking WikiProject Medicine's lead Wikipedia:TTF. If you are interested in this, let me know, otherwise, add it to the list of potential projects! OR drohowa (talk) 20:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The translation group for medicine is stripped down to be as simple as possible and has had great successes, but has been unable to function properly without paid staff. It is my opinion that any project could have success in translation only with either paid staff or some point person who is as devoted as paid staff. See Grants:IEG/Medicine_Translation_Project_Community_Organizing for the model by which translation is administered on WikiProject Medicine. A lot of people put a lot of energy into finding an entirely volunteer way to manage what we were doing, and after years of trying the logistics were just too tedious to crowdsource. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Lane, Thanks for this feedback. Perhaps we should consider, as the group progresses this year, creating a grant proposal for such a project. It could be cool to seek part-time funding, from the Foundation or elsewhere, for a few people to be translating these articles into a few different languages.OR drohowa (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

A video conference on Wikimedia LGBT activities[edit]

Hello, After some talks with User:Fæ, We need to pick a date to have a conference on our activities (Wiki Loves Pride, LGBT helpdesk, Wikidata, etc.) please pick a date, Anytime until September 6 is fine with me, after that 15-24 UTC is fine. User:OR drohowa User:Bluerasberry User:Another Believer User:Tom Morris User:Varnent: Please note that this kind of meetings are important for us to continue I have important issues to talk to you. BestAmir (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

National Coming Out Day Events![edit]

We have just over a month until National Coming Out Day! Hurrah!

I am in the process of setting up an LGBT+ editathon on Saturday 11th October which is "NCOD", with a lovely old library (the book-stacks are very "Hogwarts") with a fantastic set of gay archives. So, consider this a nudge to everyone who has been thinking about an event to pencil this day in their diary, and have a go at making it happen. Face-smile.svg -- (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The National Coming Out Day articles seems to need some work as well. I'll start there. ;) OR drohowa (talk) 14:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

It's official! Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group approved by Affiliations Committee[edit]

It's official -- the user group has been approved by the Affiliations Committee. A big thank you to all who have helped to make this become a reality. --Another Believer (talk) 20:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

THANK YOU too, Jason. :) OR drohowa (talk) 14:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Hurrah! -- (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Fantastic news. Thank you for all your hard work Jason. CT Cooper · talk 16:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Feeling extremely happy :) thank you Jason Amir (talk) 17:45, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Fall 2014 Art+Feminism IEG & PEG Grants Notification[edit]

Hello All, the Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon organizers have prepared an IEG grant, and a PEG grant this week for the fall Wikimedia Foundation grant scholarships. These grants will fund several NYC training sessions, another major international Edit-a-thon, and the creation of infrastructure to support this year, and years going forward. The project is seeking community comment / discussion and endorsement signatures (section at the bottom of the page) to help complete the grant process. We encourage you to take a look at these grants, and offer your feedback and/or your endorsement signature if you feel the project worthy. On behalf of the other organizers. --Theredproject (talk) 01:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Intersex person[edit]

What is with the intersex people and their problems in everyday life. Where are the inhuman medical interventions in childhood and the problems in only 2 sex society and whose prosecution addressed? --Fiver, der Hellseher (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Fiver. This talk page is focused on projects related to the WM-LGBT+ user group rather than more general LGBT+ questions. You may find the IRC channel #gaygeeks a helpful place to chat about intersex issues.
If I have misunderstood the intended meaning of your question, please feel free to ask in German and I'll ping a native speaker to get back to you. Thanks -- (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Fund a community human resources staff person[edit]

User:Bluerasberry has put up a proposal on the IdeaLab (see:Grants:IdeaLab/Fund a community human resources staffperson with the idea of asking the WMF to fund a community human resources staff person to help mediate off-wiki problems occurring as a result of on-wiki volunteering, and other community issues concerning diversity, tolerance, and acceptance. I think this is a great idea, and very applicable to the concerns of this group. Take a look, and endorse if interested! OR drohowa (talk) 16:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Did you know that the most active cooperative images on Commons are LGBT projects?[edit]


I happened to come across this fact while looking into possible "image revert wars" on Commons, see the linked report. This shows that of all Commons images, it is LGBT related maps that have the best cooperation between groups of people (look for the LGBT tag, with those highlighted in green as the most stable images with the longest histories). The maps are mostly to illustrate the status of same-sex marriage recognition. A good measurable fact to drop into any discussion about the importance of LGBT projects... Face-smile.svg -- (talk) 15:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing. I am definitely impressed by how quickly same-sex marriage maps are updated and the amount of discussion they generate. -Another Believer (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Smithsonian NMAH[edit]

Hi everyone. An update on User:Uncommon fritillary, User:Bluerasberry and my meeting with folks at the National Museum of American History on Wednesday November 19th- The three of us met with five Smithsonian staff, including Katherine Ott, and Franklin Robinson, and Dan Gifford, archivists that have been working on the Smithsonian's recent efforts to collect LGBT History materials. (another link). Folks there are excited to host a Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride event, and we discussed logistics for that including identifying a good space, and working with Wikimedia D.C. to ensure Wikipedians would be there. They expressed interest in hosting a "preview" event and tour of the collections, for local Wikipedians and those that wanted to attend Wiki Loves Pride, so that future attendees could get a sense of the collection, and identify materials that they would want to come back to, and edit. Beyond Wiki Loves Pride, they would be interested in having a more regular volunteer or resident help document the collections materials on Wikipedia. My suggestion was to sync them up with the Wikipedia Library Interns program, and try to get a student volunteer in such a position, that could then be considered "workstudy." Next steps include them reviving the GLAM pages that were created with the help of User:Dominic (Wikipedia:GLAM/Smithsonian Institution), finding some Wikimedia D.C. volunteers for the event, scheduling, and investigating other opportunities for engagement. Let me know if you have thoughts or questions! I was really happy with our meeting. OR drohowa (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations and welcome![edit]

Congratulations on your recent recognition as a user group! We wanted to let you know about this tool for Wikimedia organizations (including user groups) that was just recently developed, in case you are interested in participating in the first phase of the project. We are collecting a first round of responses until 21 December: Organizational_effectiveness/Tool. We wanted to let you know about the tool, since as a newer group, we may not have reached out to you yet.

If your group is interested in participating, but has questions, we'd be happy to help you get started. Just contact me on my user page or send me a note at orgeffectiveness at wikimedia dot org. Cheers and welcome, Winifred Olliff (FDC Support Team) talk 19:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Facebook update[edit]

The Wikimedia LGBT+ Facebook page has surpassed the 100-*Like* threshold, which isn't too shabby considering posts to the page are infrequent and we don't really have any sort of marketing or social media strategy. I try to add a news update when a major event takes place, but feel free to post here if you think of content to add to the page, status updates, etc. And needless to say, do feel free to join the page and/or invite a friend! -Another Believer (talk) 22:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

LGBT History Month (UK)?[edit]

February is LGBT History Month in the UK. Any thoughts on something we could do in conjunction? Could be a low-key online edit-a-thon at English Wikipedia, where we identify articles needing improvement and any one may participate remotely, or an organized meetup in the UK? Just throwing the idea out there. -Another Believer (talk) 22:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I have some contacts with key groups, however December is a bust for me and leaving it to January to start arranging things is probably too late. I'm sad to say that after the totally embarrassing way the chapter responded to my simple request to borrow a projector to support the LGBT editathon, I have no intention of being stung for a second time.
For the UK it is probably more realistic to think about planning events in advance of Pride in the summer which require no material support, unless WM-LGBT can arrange some independent funding. -- (talk) 14:38, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Understood. Physical meetups can require a lot of work. If group members would be interested in some sort of online collaboration/project, feel free to share your thoughts and ideas here. Otherwise, if we would prefer to begin working on the next Wiki Loves Pride campaign, we can get an early start on that... -Another Believer (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)