Talk:Wikimedia Serbia/Statut/English

We, assembled in the citizen association Wikimedia Serbia and Montenegro, belive that knowledge overall can and should, finally be free and accessible for every human being, and we have a goal of creation, supporting of others in creation, and distribution of universally available encyclopedis and other resoureces, unbounded by copyright and open for constant perfction and enfilling.

I am uncertain of the sentence "unbounded by copyright". Could unbounded implies public domain ? Could we have another opinion here ?

Well, that can't really work, since material under the GFDL actually retains a copyright ;-).

I would suggest to take it away and go with something like this:

We, assembled in the citizen association Wikimedia Serbia and Montenegro, believe that knowledge overall can and should finally be free and accessible for every human being, and we have a goal of creation, supporting of others in creation, and distribution of universally available encyclopedias and other ressources, open for constant perfection and enfilling. '

Except I still don't know what enfilling means :-) and I would just take away the preamble entirely, unless it is mandatory under serb-mont law. (see below)notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Hm enfilling ... I meant to describe the process of adding new things into existing content... something like that -- Obradovic Goran 17:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Overall, I am wondering if you are insisting enough in the idea that the association is in most part here to promote the projects. That might be somehow in article 7 and maybe lost a bit in translation. Anthere

I find it clear for my part notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I am not so sure it is reasonable to write "Wikimedia Foundation acts as patron organization for all the Wikimedia local chapters; it coordinates activities in accordance with the purpose of the Association on international level". I would be interested in other opinions on that matter...;Anthere

I'm ok with that statement myself, I think it is broad enough not to lead to any weird interpretation. And the Germans have it ;-) notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

You are free to edit anything you think looks wrong, because the part about goals and relations within Wikimedia is copied from the German bylaws. (Dungodung and Millosh) --Sr 16:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Preamble

I think you don't even need a preamble :P. Just one sentence that says something like:

The citizen association Wikimedia Serbia and Montenegro (referred in the text of this document as "association") has the purpose of finding an answer to the problem of how knowledge can be finally free and therefore accessible for all human beings.

for example, something short and simple. But that's a minor point.notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

We would change it. In general, this is something which is more related to general community then to specifically our community. --Millosh 17:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Article 12: Seat

If you can do it, I would say you put in "the Association has its seat in the city of residence of the President (or whoever else). Just because it's easier to change then, you don't have to change the bylaws if the association seats moves, just change the address. But again, a minor point.notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I think that it is not possible. Recommendation of The Center for Development of Non-Profit sector is not to write exact address inside of bylaws, but to write just the place. And I think that it is mandatory to put the place name in bylaws and on the stamp. --Millosh 17:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Presidium / Executive board / Supervision board

I'm not sure I get the differences and the relationship between Presidium, the executive board and supervision board. Can someone explain this in a few words? notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Basically, in the end, how many people are considered "on the board"? Because the way I understand it, if those all add up, we could be with a "governing body" of 29 people (11 presidium, 11 executive board, 7 supervision board). That's well.... A LOT! notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

The most of decisions would be made on the net by assembly. Governing body would be Executive Board with 11 people at the most with some members of Presidium inside of it (whith them, Executive Board should not have more then 11 people). Supervision board would be with 3 people at the beginning and the most important (and the only) part of their work would be checking voting as well as checking the work of other bodies. --Millosh 17:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Presidium is the body for important members of our Wikipedian community from all parts of the country and it should be used to give a legal cover for presenting WM SCG and not a much more. --Millosh 17:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The idea for the future is to make basics of the organization on regional and expert boards. --Millosh 17:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

So, in the practice, we would have one governing body with 11 persons at the most and all important decisions would be made by assembly on http://scg.vikimedija.org/. --Millosh 17:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, I'm reassured, thank you :-). 11 is about the number we have on other Chapter boards. notafish }<';> 19:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

We changed this paragraph with the new forumaltion. We don't need maximal number of Presidium members, just minimal. Presidium is not the governing body, but the body of important Wikipedians (Wikinewsians etc.). I think it is OK. --Millosh 15:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Misc comments

All the rest seems fine to me :-) notafish }<';> 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, with the answers to my questions, I have no further comment. These bylaws are fine by me. notafish }<';> 19:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

They're fine with me as well. Angela 17:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too. --Jimbo Wales 18:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Please, verify to us that we can do formal regirstration with this bylaws. --Millosh 20:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, in the next couple of days we would translate our decisions in English. --Millosh 20:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)