Talk:Www.wikipedia.org template/2008

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Contents 1 code view 2 Bug in Firefox 3 3 Recent addition 4 Chinese should not be italic?

[edit] code view

I think it would do no harm if the code was indented (like Www.wikimedia.org template is) to make it readable here on meta, by using the built-in <pre> formatting that turns on if the first character of a line is a space. The other template could also use the same in the start and end tags (only one space would do!) And happy new year to all! Waldir 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's what it looks like. Isn't pretty... Since the unindented version is slightly more readable (doesn't require horizontal scrolling), I think we should stick with that until we have some way of putting <nowiki> tags in there without those tags showing up in the final HTML code. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 02:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's evident that the main reason the wikipedia.org template doesn't render here as nicely as the wikimedia.org template is because wikipedia.org uses divs, while wikimedia.org uses tables. I made an experiment on User:Waldir/TableWikipedia.org to see how it would look (I only worked on the round logo part, since getting the rest of the page into a table should be trivial). It seems to be both the html view and the indented (pseudo-<pre>) view are better than how it is currently. Any thoughts? Waldir 03:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a note: the indented HTML view looks horrible in IE6 (it's cool in FF2), but anyway I was quite satisfied with the unindented HTML :) Waldir 04:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug in Firefox 3

Firefox 3 Beta 5 (at least on the Mac) seems to have an issue where the Latn Azeri and Hebrew links are moved to the far right of the page. The two lines that contain those links jump repeatedly on mouseover, making it impossible to click on either link. I don't recall this happening in Beta 4. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 23:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it's still possible to follow the links that jump around in Beta 5. You can drag the link to the Location Bar or an empty space in the tab bar, but that's a bit of a kludge. I also noticed the issue on the Wiktionary portal.

It seems there's a way around this issue: if the right-to-left (RTL) text is not alone in an element, it doesn't go haywire. So, for example, if you place a "d" inside every span or a tag that directly contains RTL text, nothing jumps around. Of course, that's less than ideal. Punctuation won't fix things in Beta 5, because they've changed the layout handling to recognize punctuation as RTL text when it's next to RTL text. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 19:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

As long as it is a beta edition, I don't think we should be concerned, anyway... Pundit 17:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Beta 5 is the last before the final release, though, and nothing about jumping links appears to be on the blocker list at Bugzilla, so I think it's time to start looking into this issue again... – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the issue anymore in Firefox 3 RC1 on the Mac. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The issue in question was Bug 425338. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 20:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent addition

The recent addition of Glagolitic text means that there's, to my knowledge, no browser/OS configuration able to display all languages on www.wikipedia.org. While Opera fails at displaying Glagolitic, Firefox is unable to select the correct fonts for Kannada, Tibetan and other languages (they appear extremely odd). I don't know whether this is a problem, but it prevents people from updating Image:Www.wikipedia.org screenshot.png. -- Prince Kassad 17:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK, it all depends on which fonts you have installed on your computer. So if you have no font with Glagolitic text, you need to download one. Jon Harald Søby 18:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not as easy as that. Browsers have very odd font preferences. For example, Opera chokes at everything >Unicode 3.2, while Firefox selects fonts at will and ignores the settings. However, now that you mentioned it, a <span> with font definitions might fix the glagolitic problems. -- Prince Kassad 18:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks fine for me in Safari 3.1.1 (Mac OS X 10.4.11), though it may be because I've already installed lots of fonts for the scripts on this page. Safari's also available for Windows, by the way. If the Glagolithic makes it too inconvenient to update the screenshot regularly, I'll remove it, because the Old Slavonic Wikipedia only uses it on their front page and logo, as far as I can tell. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 23:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Safari for Windows does not show all the scripts and even cuts off some names. -- Prince Kassad 15:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I forgot to mention: at least in Safari for Mac, there's a bug where a lot of the names appear cut off. But if you hover over each of them, they're rendered in full. Displaying all of the scripts is dependent on having the proper fonts. The easiest way to get there is the huge Code2000 and Code2001 fonts. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 20:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It works in Firefox 3 (even though font selection is still very buggy and depends on very exotic font combinations), so fonts are not the problem - something in Safari/Win is causing the problem. -- Prince Kassad 13:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese should not be italic?

I wonder if you know that, we seldom use italic style in Chinese character, as many people found that italic Chinese character is not pleasant for readers. So I wonder if remove italic style on Chinese characters. -- ※   JéRRy   ┼   雨雨   ※  16:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I updated it with this version of the "sandbox" page where the Chinese editors hav been fiddling with it to make it to their liking. :-) Is it okay now? Cbrown1023 talk 17:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thx... It looks much better and cooler :p-- ※   JéRRy   ┼   雨雨   ※  16:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)