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[edit] Template:Sisterproject/ru

You really have not read the warning in the wikitext of the main Sisterproject template? Or hand tremble? --Kaganer 20:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry? I am in the middle of converting the wiki table markup into a template. At that article. I just got distracted for a few minutes. -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:29, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, I do not understand. I'm sorry - just did not have to save that "strange" version.--Kaganer 23:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I am working on converting various main page templates under a certain standard version so that information stays current on all translations. This is part of an effort to translate the main page into a templated structure. Russian for example is already done Main Page/ru. -- とある白い猫 chi? 23:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
OK, I complete translation. Should be redirect from Заглавная страница to Main Page/ru, or from Main Page/ru to Заглавная страница (Russian interface have direct link to Заглавная страница pagename). --Kaganer 00:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome to replace the content of Заглавная страница with {{:Main Page/ru}} if you like if you feel the new design is sufficient and adequate. :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 01:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Done Done. Unification - it's cool! ;) --Kaganer 13:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 :D I actually need help for the task. :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 13:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Where is todo list? --Kaganer 14:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] New versions of Main Page

I think, many wikimedians will help you. For example:

(to be continued) I do search user for create main pages for more languages of etnic groups in Russia (/sah, /udm, /os etc). --Kaganer 15:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I have been at a desperate search for translations. I have been somewhat successful with languages with a greater IRC presence but for others I am rather baffled. I could of course hunt down translators on their individual local wikis but that is far too much work on top of making sure template complies with everyone's needs. I designed the template structure to provide with all the content needed for the translation. I do not have a documentation for it but the task could be simplified as (this could be the to do list)...
  1. Going to Template:Other languages/Template:Main Page and clicking on the relevant red link and translating that.
  2. Once that's done the next task is to translate the English content on the sub pages. You can see what I mean in Template:Main Page/sr. Whenever the "Edit" links are clicked it will generate the relevant template to be translated and will automatically replace the /en usage the moment the /xx template is created. Sub template structure (edit links will update or create these):
    1. Template:Main Page/Intro
    2. Template:Main Page/World Heritage
    3. Information thread Template:Main Page/WM News (optional, but recommended)
    4. Template:Main Page/Requests
    5. Template:Main Page/Community and communication
    6. Template:Main Page/Core issues and collaboration
    7. Template:Main Page/Wikimedia Foundation
    8. Template:Main Page/Sisterprojects
I'd like to point out {{Sisterprojects}} already has a lot of translations done but they need to be templateified.
The fun part is once the translations are complete and we decide to add something to the main page, all non translations will display the English text letting translators know exactly what needs to be translated.
-- とある白い猫 chi? 16:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I see. Good. I inform those who can. --Kaganer 16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
/rue and /tt - in progress. --Kaganer 17:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Mind you some languages has material that could be used from the current main pages they have. :) On the bright side {{Sisterprojects}} templatification process is complete with the help of multiple people. They still need translations here and there but at least it is no longer the complicated wikitable. -- とある白い猫 chi? 08:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Any progress on these? :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 09:40, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
/ka is finished--Kaganer 12:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you planning on expanding the translations to other languages? Many version of the main page still uses the older style unfortunately. -- とある白い猫 chi? 11:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Old templates migration

I have moved all of the Sisterprojects template under the main page except Template:Sisterprojects/ia which needs to be moved to Template:Main Page/Sisterprojects/ia. It is move protected unfortunately. Could you move these in a similar manner? -- とある白い猫 chi? 17:21, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

All is done. --Kaganer 15:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] RTL support

See [1]. I saw problem with section names. This problem of {{EditUrl}}. --Kaganer 01:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I added RTL support now. It has a few issues but those can be addressed in due course. First step is to make everything translated, then fix visual issues IMHO. :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 16:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, really fixed ;) See also similar problem in the {{Sisterprojects}}. --Kaganer 18:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
all is done, thanks ;) --Kaganer 23:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Month

What use subtemplates with manual filling, instead simple рarser function "#time:" (at combination with "ucfirst:" and "int:" magic words) ? See code:

{{ucfirst:{{int:{{#time: F|2011-11}}}}}} {{#time: Y|2011-11}}

result

November 2011

This result automatic in the userlanguage. --Kaganer 09:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah nice! I was asking around for that! It could be incorporated into the month template to limit the visibility of complex code. I'll look into this, thank you for the heads up. -- とある白い猫 chi? 14:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps, better use following code (without "int:"):
{{ucfirst:{{MediaWiki:{{#time: F|{{{2}}}-{{{1}}}}}/{{{lang|en}}}}}}} {{#time: Y|{{{2}}}-{{{1}}}}}
where "{{{1}}}" is month, "{{{2}}}" is year, {{{lang}}} is page language code.
This will result not in a user interface language, but in a language of current page. It's more correctly. NB: This method requires support translateviki.net for all languages ​​and dialects (with MediaWiki messages for month names).--Kaganer 05:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
That doesn't work:
February 2012
Are you sure it works? The order can be culture specific so I do not want to compromise on that.
-- とある白い猫 chi? 09:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, this my error in the description. Should be ISO standard YYYY-MM. Fixed, it works. --Kaganer 10:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I applied it to {{Month}}. Looks great now. i even added a parameter to customize it for rtl languages. -- とある白い猫 chi? 03:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Main Page/World Heritage

I think we could make without this template if it is incorporated into the /Intro template. I'd like to ask you to copy the parameters from Template:Main Page/World Heritage/xx to Template:Main Page/Intro/xx for all existing World Heritage template translations? I will then modify the code for the main page to use these parameters. :). Problem is translators keep missing the edit link. -- とある白い猫 chi? 03:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

World Heritage & intro templates. If a translation is not available, English should be copied to make translations easier. -- とある白い猫 chi? 06:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I do start it. Finish will be tommorow. --Kaganer 09:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
All is Done Done. --Kaganer 01:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Great! Also there are a few pages that can be templetified like Баш бит. There isn't much of a translation for the bulk of the page but the sisterprojects translation appears more or less complete. I wonder how many Sisterprojects templates we haven't templatified still exist. -- とある白い猫 chi? 04:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Meta-Wiki на эстонском языке

Думаю, что более-менее переведено. Пожалуйста, проверяй. Если что-то нужно поправить, скажи. Taivo 20:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Уже увидел, спасибо! С виду всё выглядит славно. Кстати, ты там предусмотрел категорию Category:Estonian - но такие категории здесь только для переводов страниц WMF-wiki. И сама категория должна называться по-эстонски, т.е., видимо, что-то вроде "Eesti"? --Kaganer 20:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Main Page/WM News/Note/en

There is a need for the uk translation for this small text in template. Same problem seems to exist on other languages such as Korean. It is a small sub section that can be overlooked I suppose. -- とある白い猫 chi? 09:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Main Page/WM News/Code

By the way this is how you add a language to the template. -- とある白い猫 chi? 11:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I saw, OK. --Kaganer 12:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
You know, you are awesome. I do not need to explain you anything as you know the changes already :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 06:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
It's not magic ;) By engaging in translation, I add to watchlist all related templates and source pages. Meta-wiki emailed me for all changes ;) --Kaganer 11:45, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Sisterprojects

Could you help with these? -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

My responsibility - /az and /ce only. I don't have contacts for other languages.--Kaganer 21:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
/az and /ce is done. --Kaganer 22:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Main Page/fa

Do you think you can find a translator for this one too. Majority seems to be in English. :( -- とある白い猫 chi? 06:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I called نوژن مدینه ای (talk). NB: may search of new translators in the Special:NewPages (current fundrising campaigne has attracted many new translators). --Kaganer 11:23, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Main Page/lt

I'm translate Template:Main Page/lt. --Vpovilaitis talk 07:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The best! Thanks! --Kaganer 10:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm corect by your comments. --Vpovilaitis talk 11:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Excellent! This is a good (and fast made​​) work! Thanks! --Kaganer 11:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Azerbaijani

  • az – Macrolanguage
  • azj – North Azerbaijani - Latin
  • azb – South Azerbaijani - Persian or Arabic script

Azerbaijani is written in two main scripts and has two variants. We probably want to create two main pages for Azerbaijani. -- とある白い猫 chi? 15:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

No need for the moment. Only in different alphabets. Words are the same. Latin alphabet they understand easily (as far as I know). Except the elderly. Of course, you still need to consult the Azeri friends...
Will respond :) : See
Emperyan-message/ileti-WMTR 16:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I do not agree. It would be a problem particularly in North of Iran. Elderly should be able to use wiki without help :p -- とある白い猫 chi? 17:35, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Main_Page/az translation

Thanks for start this work! I noticed these edits and added Azerbaijani as a language option. It should work now. --Kaganer 11:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Re:"Página principal" translation update

Hello Kaganer!

Done Done WM news small note

But what comments in some strings in Sisterprojects desc. are you talking about? I don't see anyone :) Al Lemos 00:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Ets benvingut :) - Al Lemos 12:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] More languages

I realize your plate is full but there are some languages not on your agenda like Danish that may be useful to add to your list. I would even suggest adding every language using the old style to your list even if you have not seek a translator for them. -- とある白い猫 chi? 15:25, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Change in translations

Hi, and thank you for your activity with fundraiser translations so far!! I have one small request to make: We had to change three of the appeals; the change is the same in all of them, and the replacement text is quite short, so I don't want to e-mail people just to fix that, and that's why I'm asking you instead. It would be great if you could do the following fixes in Russian:

Since these are small changes you don't have to go through the cycle of having it proofread and everything, unless you are unsure about the translation. Thanks in advance. :-) Jon Harald Søby (WMF) 05:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

All is done. --Kaganer 16:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] bs translation

If you can provide me a list of pages which need to be translated including templates, I will do it. --WizardOfOz talk 18:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Done Done --WizardOfOz talk 19:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I´ve translated it but the link on the main page under new style is still leading to the old variant. Can´t find the template where it should be changed. --WizardOfOz talk 09:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
fixed ;)Thanks! --Kaganer 07:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Commons

Первая порция готова (там же). Пока что это ссылки на несуществующие категории или вообще в никуда (секция Пустые категории). Через некоторое время будет всё остальное, с чем бот не сможет разобраться сам. Отдельно решил выделить ссылки со страниц населённых пунктов, так как их оказалось очень много. --Emaus 21:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Template:Draft

Hello Kaganer, My name is Vladimir. I recently started translating in Meta. Can you please tell me how to create Template:Draft/bg (for my language - Bulgarian). I need it to finish translating the Terms of use page. Many thanks in advance! --Vladimir Penov 07:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Draft/bg draft created ;) Welcome to translation as simple wiki-page editing.--Kaganer 11:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Step by step:
  1. go to red link for target page (see also Help:Starting a new page or bg:Уикипедия:Редактиране на страници)
  2. open source page for editing
  3. copy wiki-text to target page
  4. translate it and save changes
--Kaganer 11:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Спасибо большое!
--Vladimir Penov 14:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

[edit] A barnstar for you!

This barnstar is given to you for your help with the 2011 fundraiser translation.

Hi! I just want to thank you and give you this barnstar for your help with the translation of the 2011 fundraiser! The fundraiser was the best we ever had, both in terms of the amount we collected and in terms of number of translations. We couldn't have done either one without the help we got from you and other translators. If you are interested, we made a report, which has some statistics about the translations.

And: I have one more request, and that is that you take this survey. You may have got an e-mail about it, and if you did, please ignore this. But if you didn't it would be great if you would take this survey too, so we can learn to improve the translation experience.

Again, thanks for your help with translations – you're awesome! Jon Harald Søby (WMF) 13:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Revert of your edit to the user groups template

Hey Kaganer, I reverted your edit to the user groups template. That template lists technical rights (and the removal of rights from a blocked user), not community actions like banning someone. Additionally, many projects do not have a banning policy, and that template is meant to only show the groups which are enabled by default on every wiki. Regards, Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I see why you added it to the template, actually, and removed the template from banned user. Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:42, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
I saw, OK, it's reasonable. --Kaganer 08:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Книга в обмен на статью

Здравствуйте. Вы ещё проводите игру «Книга в обмен на статью»? Написал бы что-нибудь по книге Зуев Г. И. Шуваловская Швейцария. Из истории предместий Санкт-Петербурга — М-СПб: Центрполиграф, МиМ-Дельта, 2005. — 415 с --Усама ибн Саддам бен Ёрик 19:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Игра бессрочная, но к ней так мало интереса, что я очень давно не обновлял этот список. В частности, этой книги у меня уже нет. У меня осталось позднее издание, вышедшее под названием "Шувалово и Озерки", но насовсем я его пока отдать не могу - планирую вскоре купить новое издание, "У трех Суздальских озер", после чего эта книга, вероятно, "освободится". --Kaganer 09:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Вас понял! Спасибо. А из этой серии что-нибудь свободно? Хочется пописать --Усама ибн Саддам бен Ёрик 18:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Тут дело-то такое: "на-почитать" готов отдать всё, что угодно. Но вот именно книги Зуева я бы не советовал использовать как основной источник, максимум - как "точку отсчета", с обязательной проверкой по более надёжным публикациям. См. подробнее вот эту статью Б.М.Кирикова, не совсем беспристрастную по тону, но по сути верную. --Kaganer 13:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Спасибо. Основные положения статьи верны сейчас не только в сфере краеведения. Но меня интересует всё же именно игровой процесс, так что хочется чего-то именно для написания статей. Проверить факты, думаю, я способен. Писывал краеведческие статьи и ранее: проверять и правда нужно многое. Вот только… в книгах Зуева других источников совсем не указано? Или на них сей недостаток не распространяется? --Усама ибн Саддам бен Ёрик 15:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Книги Зуева в статье Кирикова несколько раз упоминаются явно. Список литературы у Зуева обычно присутствует, но это общий "слепой" список в конце книги, из него обычно неясно, откуда и что имено брал автор. А состав списка говорит о том, что автор широко опирается в первую очередь на различные популярные публикации в СМИ, не ведя собственных исследований. и зачастую некритично используя не вполне достоверную информацию. Зато - лёгкий слог и большие тиражи. --Kaganer 15:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Итого: "Шувалово и Озерки" освободились, можно забирать. В довесок могу дать на время (не очень долгое) книги С.Е.Глезерова и Е.Л.Александровой. --Kaganer 15:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Спасибо. Я бы тогда взял. Если можно, с точной темой игрового задания определился бы после ознакомления с материалом. Краеведческие книги кое-какие есть и у меня, но про Озерки там мало совсем. --Усама ибн Саддам бен Ёрик 16:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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