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[edit] Spam search

[edit] es

Hi!, I'd like to report you a possible bug on your tool. When I try to search on wp-es this message apppears:

« Content-type: text/html

got an error: not a valid file: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist »

Best regards Dferg (T-ES) 12:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

thx! should be fixed now.
reason was: es-wiki doesn't use <pre>, but uses <pre class="..."> in its lists. -- seth 16:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much Dferg (T-ES) 21:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, the tool still doesn't work. Dferg (T-ES) 11:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again. You are right, every entry below -nude\.blogspot\.com is ignored. I'll have a look at that in a few hours. -- seth 12:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
es:MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#wrong_syntax. I could write a work-around. But I guess, a simple revert is much more comfortable for all. -- seth 15:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Done Done Dferg (T-ES) 16:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ru

I got an error trying to check ruwiki:

got an error: Reference to nonexistent group in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/https?://+[a-z0-9_.-]*(?:\1 <-- HERE host\.in/st\.exe)/ at ./grep_regexp_from_url.cgi line 280.

 — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

[1] -- seth 10:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] default=meta

Any chance you can change the default to check only Meta? Normally that's all the data we need - one can of course request further data from the tool as required. Thanks.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 02:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

At the moment the default is the only way to get some info about XBotLink. SO I better attach XBotLink to one of the languages/projects. Should I add it to "meta" or to "w:en"? -- seth 09:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
It's part of enwiki, I'd say.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 05:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
done. -- seth 14:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] caching

Another: Can you have the tool cache any pages it fetches live (when a user requests a "purge")? Then, when replicated data is older than the cached version, you can use the cached data (and still offer to fetch newer data). When replicated data is newer than the cache, throw it away, since it's useless. This avoids fetching live data on Meta's spam blacklist multiple times unnecessarily.

Just thinking now... the toolserver replicated database doesn't contain page text, I thought... so where are you getting the contents of the page?  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 20:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm caching all data already. I use the mirror function of LWP::UserAgent, see [2] (search for "mirror").
I'm using the SBL-urls like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist. -- seth 02:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] trim

Could you have it trim leading/trailing whitespace from input?  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 15:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

done. -- seth 02:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Encoding

When checking your tool against ruwiki ([3]), I get something like "спам в ст. Аска Лэнгли Сорью, сайт содержит материалы, нарушающие АП. altes" - could you double-check you're reading the page text with the right encoding?  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 23:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Should be fixed now:
print $cgi->header();
→ print $cgi->header(-charset=>'utf-8');
-- seth 21:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] proper escaping?

At [4], it seems there may be missing escaping or something - the regex fragment isn't grabbed from the blacklist properly (or isn't shown properly at any rate).  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 19:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

should be fixed now. -- seth 20:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] XLinkBot log not defined

While your spamlists search does include listings on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XLinkBot/RevertList, it does not show the log entries. I get this;

"no log defined for this project. ask there if you want this script to use the log. "

The log is located here. I don't know what we did before the spamlists search tool. I've placed a Note on XLinkBot here. thanks seth.--Hu12 15:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

thx for that hint. i'll cope with that in perhaps 5 days, because i'll be away from my code for that time. meanwhile perhaps you could "clean up" the log so that it looks similar to the other logs. otherwise i'll do that, too. -- seth 18:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Cleaned up the log...If more need to be done let me know. thanks--Hu12 16:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thx! should be fixed now. -- seth 20:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:COIBot/XWiki/mountainzones.com

Could you take a look - affects dewiki mainly.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's already been discussed at de:WP:SBL#mountainzones.com. It's not considered as spam at de-wiki. Well, actually I considered it to be spam, but some reputable users requested un-blacklisting. -- seth 12:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blacklisting

Dear Lustiger Seth,

It was brought to our attention that all the references to our websites have vanished from Wikipedia. A short check has shown that our domain, 888.com, was blacklisted due to conflict of interest issues. We wish to emphasize that we never had any intension of doing something which is against Wikipedia’s guidelines. We are a worldwide, leading company in our field, which has been operating for over a decade. We will appreciate any feedback that you could give us, as well as steps we need to take in order to improve our status and be removed from the blacklist. We would like to make sure this situation does not repeat itself, in the interest of all parties involved.

Looking forward for your reply.

Thank you and best regards, Oris 12:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
Links to that domain were added by different users, see m:user:COIBot/XWiki/888.com. Afaics those links are no advantage to wikipedia articles in sense of en:WP:EL (or de:WP:EL a.s.o.). Is there any article where a link to that domain would be useful? -- seth 15:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Seth,
Thank you for your prompt reply! We carefully read the instructions written in en:WP:EL and went over the list of references to 888.com m:user:COIBot/XWiki/888.com. In this list we found several references which are very relevant to the articles and can definitely enrich their content. For instance, it is only natural and straightforward to add external links to the company’s main websites which are mentioned within the article on 888 Holdings.
Furthermore, in some cases the external links to 888.com were inserted as we are the official sponsors of personas and teams such as Shane Warne (see au.888.com/shane-warne/), Michael Keiner (see de.888.com/sponsorship/de/michael_keiner.htm), Jeff Fenech (see www.888.com/sponsorship/en/jeff-fenech.htm) & Sevilla FC (see es.888.com/sponsorship/es/sevilla.htm). In each of these cases, relevant content which contributes to the article’s theme, was added. Though I agree with you, It might have been even more appropriate to reference these pages under “References” or “Notes”.
We will greatly appreciate any feedback you may have on the cases noted above or on any other steps we should take in order to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines.
Best Regards, Oris 09:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
At 888 Holdings there is a link to the company already.
I'm not sure about the sponsor links. I guess, it is better, if you choose one of those articles and ask on its talk page, whether a link to 888.com is wanted or unwanted. -- seth 10:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Seth,
We contacted you several months ago regarding the blacklisting of 888.com in Wikipedia. As a result we took some measures regarding the guidelines and instructions you provided us with. We now have only one focal point which is allowed to suggest content to Wikipedia according to its guidelines and in an effort to really enrich it with high quality, relevant content. We will be grateful if you could reconsider our removal from Wikipedia blacklist.
According to your recommendation, our focal point tried to add some relevant content within one of the talk pages but it seems like the editor relied more on the fact 888.com being blacklisted than on relevance of the content itself. See here.
We are currently in a process of uploading valuable, interesting content to our websites. We feel that Wikipedia readers might find this content attractive and relevant. You are more than welcome to review it yourself at: de.888.com/magazine/de/ or de.888.com/magazine/en/.
Best regards,Oris 14:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi!
It's not true, that the blacklisting itself was the main reason, see [5].
You can tell me a specific 888 web page and a specific wikipedia article, and I'll will ask on the article's talk page, whether the authors would like to add the link there. (Of course you can ask by yourself, if your German is good enough or if you want to ask in English there.) In the English wikipedia there was one answerer only, user:2005, and seems to have a similar opinion as I have, i.e., one link to the main page should be enough. -- seth 20:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Seth,
Thanks for your patience and willingness to help!
888.com sponsors Dr. Michael Keiner (a professional German poker player) and keeps track on all of his main achievements in the following URL: de.888.com/sponsorship/de/michael_keiner.htm. I have noticed that Dr. Michael Keiner's Wikipedia page doesn't have any updates on his more recent achievements in the 2009 WSOP.
If you too believe that this information is relevant and contributes to the Wiki's article, I would be more than happy to get your help in addressing the relevant Wiki editor.
Thanks!! Oris 13:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi!
I asked at de:talk:Michael_Keiner for some opinions concerning the link. Let's wait a few days for some answers. -- seth 11:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Oris 05:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Seth,
I have read the responses at de:talk:Michael_Keiner and they seem very peculiar to me since I believe that Wikipedia has a need for a good and reliable information with relevant and trusted references on and off the web. Maybe I didn't understand the editors' remarks correctly and so I would appreciate it a lot if you could help me understand this issue better.
I also wanted to thank you a lot for all your efforts - I really appreciate your help and it is not taken for granted!! Oris 08:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi!
I'll try to translate and summarize the comments:
I asked at de:talk:Michael_Keiner: The article doesn't say anything about Keiner's achievements at 2009 WSOP. His sponsor's website gives some information. That domain is on our blacklist right now, so I'm interested in opinions on that link, for making a dicision about whitelisting it.
User GiordanoBruno doesn't see any reason for linking the webpage. He says, it would be better to copy the information to the wikipedia article, if the information was important enough. There wouldn't be anything special about that page.
User He3nry agrees with GiordanoBruno.
217.86.39.170 sees the Webpage as a reliable source and adds that every evidence is better than an unreferenced information. 217.86.39.170 claims that the wikipedia article contained a lot of numbers which should be proved by references. So in this user's opinion the link is good as a reference, but not as a regular external link (in that point 217.86.39.170 agrees with GiordanoBruno).
User Oberfoerster doesn't see the benefit of this external link as a reference, because he could not find the numbers from the wikipedia article in the 888-page.
My English is not very good, but I guess, I could outline the main points.
All in all I don't see that the link really is wanted there. -- seth 21:59, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Is it abusive?. Thanks, ---Dferg 22:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
"Schwanz in Auge" just means "dick (penis) in eye". I would not block somebody with this name, if that user would be helpful. But there maybe admins at w:de which would block that user just because of the name. -- seth 18:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lofoten.info

Hi, in case you haven't noticed, Talk:Spam_blacklist#lofoten.info. As I am writing there, I don't quite understand why this was added to global blacklist, but I guess I'm missing something ;) Best regards, Finn Rindahl 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thx! I will answer there. -- seth 23:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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