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Hi

Hi Meretanha, I was wondering.....were you at this year's Wikimania in Gdansk? I think we might have met each other or I might be confusing you with someone altogether, sorry if thats the case. Theo10011 19:07, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I was there , so prolly it's me :) , glad to see you around Mardetanha ^talk 19:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Axşamınız xeyir

Mardetanha, salam. Problem bir neçə gün əvvəl Azərbaycan dilindəki Vikipediyanın fəal istifadəçilərinin iştirakı ilə keçirilən görüşdə həll edildi. Görüş dostluq və xoş əhvalla keçdi. Bütün anlaşılmazlıqlara son qoyuldu :). Odur ki, yazdıqlarımı sildim. Çünki, məlum oldu ki, mən həmin istifadəçini düz anlamamışam :) Hər necə olsa da təşəkkür edirəm. Hər zaman qulluğunuzdayam. Hörmətlə, --Irada 12:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

bunun eşit magina gure cox cox sevindim , gej jevap vermaga gure mani affedin Mardetanha ^talk 15:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Qaqauz dili Vikipediya

Qaqauz dili Vikipediyanın bürokrat və ya xidmətlisi olmaq istəyirəm. 2. dərəcə bilirəm. Ana dilim Türk dili. Yəni rahatlıqla anlaya bilirəm və tərcümə edə bilirəm. Yaxşı vikilər. Emperyan^{ileti/message} 19:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Gagauz dili Vikipediyanın bürokrat ya da hizmetlisi olmak istiyorum. Ana dilim Gagauzçadır.Türkçe de biliyorum.17 Aralık 2009 yılından beri Gagauz Vikipedideyim.Gagauz dili vikipedinin daha da büyümesi ve gelişmesi için elimden geleni yapacağıma emin olabilirsiniz.bana bu konuda yardımcı olursanız çok sevinirim. Saygılarımla Alex Demirci

inde bürokrat kimseye verlimez , man sadece 3 aylik admin vere bilerim Mardetanha ^talk 18:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Help with enwiki proxy block

Hey, Mardetanha. User:محسن عبدالهی is having some trouble with a proxy block on en.wiki. We're trying to work things out, but I don't think they're terribly fluent in English, which isn't helping matters much. When I checked a few days ago, the IP address they're trying to edit from is still an open proxy. They've asked specifically for your help; would you be able to work with this user to sort out their problem? Thanks. Hersfold ^(talk) 18:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

sure , just responded on user talk page in enwiki , tnx for your helps Mardetanha ^talk 18:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Password problem

Hi Mardetanha. One of the experienced users in Turkish wiki asked me about his problem and I think you might have further information. He has changed his password a few days ago and then forgot it. Unfortunately he doesn't have any e-mail adresses registered to Wikipedia. Is there any chance for him to access his user account? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. --yabancı^m 19:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually in this case only DEVs (Wikimedia developer) has access to reset the account for him , would you please tell how are you sure it's the same person (for any possible help this answer is very important)? Mardetanha ^talk 19:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I send an e-mail to the user's adress which he was using some time ago. I'll inform you as soon as I get any information. --yabancı^m 19:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mardetanha ^talk 19:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

He replied to my e-mail and confirmed it was him. I think that proves it's the same person. Also I had send an e-mail to him almost a year ago and he had replied through the same address. Now what are the steps we (or he) should follow? --yabancı^m 10:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hi Mardetanha, I'm the user who forgot password, and now i can't login. please help me for this. thanks. --78.161.84.169 12:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
• Bu arada Türkçe biliyormuşsunuz, derdimi Türkçe ile anlatmak daha iyi olacaktır. Geçenlerde şifremi değiştirdim fakat daha sonra giriş yaparken hatırlamadım ve e-mail adresim de kayıtlı olmadığı için şifremi alamadım. Bu konuda yardımcı olursanız sevinirim. Yabancı ile daha önceden aynı e-mail adresiyle konuşmuştum, kendisine tekrar aynı adresten mail attım bu da benim o kullanıcı olduğumu gösterir. teşekkürler, iyi günler. --78.161.84.169 12:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

ok, Anladim , ben elimden geleni yapacağım , amma mumken olsa usernamee bana haber verin Mardetanha ^talk 15:01, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

my user name is Hedda Gabler. Thanks. --78.161.84.169 14:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Adminlik hakkında

Sayın Mardetanha uygun görürseniz adminlik için adayım.Gagauz vikipediyi daha iyi bir duruma getirmek için gayret göstereceğime emin olabilirsiniz saygılarımla. Alex Demirci 02:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

su an da , 3 aylik Adminlik size verebilir ve bu mesele sadece Gagauz vikipediyi küçük ve yeni oladigina gore de Mardetanha ^talk 19:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Translation Update

I want to thank you for your help translating throughout this year's fundraiser. The fundraiser has greatly benefited from all your contributions. Currently, the Kartika, Liliaroja, Abbas and Joan Gomà appeals need to be translated, as we are running appeals from editors. You can find all translation requests at the translation hub on meta and you can follow the progress of the fundraiser in real time by tracking the fundraiser statistics. It is important to check the Core Messages as many languages still need updating. Also if you haven't already, you can subscribe to the translators-l mailing list for all new requests and major changes. Many thanks for your help in truly making this a global fundraiser that you can edit.Klyman 19:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks , will have it mind Mardetanha ^talk 21:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

SRP

Hello Mardetanha. Is this user still interested? It's nearly 2 months since we are awaiting for his ID. Regards, --dferg ^{☎ talk} 11:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I have already sent him an email , regarding the issue , i assume for now it should be marked as not done Mardetanha ^talk 17:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to do so. He can post later in case we receive the ID. Thanks, --dferg ^{☎ talk} 17:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Cavab:Qaqauz dili Vikipediya

Verə bilərsiniz. Bu Qaqauz dili Vikipediya üçün yaxşı olacaq. Tərcümələrə yoldaş Alex ilə başladıq. Bundan başqa, lütfən hədiyyə səhifələrini Türk dili və Azərbaycan dilinə tərcümələr üçün kömək edin. Ve Türkçe biliyormuşsunuz yeni farkettim :) İyi vikiler. Emperyan^{ileti/message} 14:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Ayrıca neden cevapları kendi kullanıcı mesaj sayfalarınıza yazıyorsunuz? Hani benim bildiğim kadarıyla mesaj atanın sayfasına yazılır da. Emperyan^{ileti/message} 14:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Uste size söyledim , su an da sadece 3 aylik admin verebilinir Mardetanha ^talk 15:42, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Evet üç aylıkta olsa olur. Öksüz kalmasın da sonradan seçimlerle iş başına gelinebilir zaten. E M P E R Y A N ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ 16:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Blocked on fa

Hi Mardetanha, me and my bot user:FoxBot seem to be blocked on fa-wiki for an unknown reason. Would you please help me and let me know why I am blocked on fa-wiki. - Foxie001 15:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually blocking reason which the admin provided is not comprehensible for me , i will ask the blocking admin Mardetanha ^talk 15:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. The bot was blocked by mistake. It is unblocked. Behaafarid 03:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for solving the mistake. - Foxie001 16:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Gagavuzca Vikipedi

3 aylık kabul :) 3 ay sonra oylama yaparız biz. Baya bir artar kullanıcı... E M P E R Y A N ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ 09:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Merhaba

Sayın Mardetanha adminlik için aday olduğumu daha önce söylemiştim.3 aylık süre içinde olsa admin olmayı istiyorum.Beni seçerseniz sizi mahçup etmem. Saygılarımla Alex Demirci 13.14 14 December 2010

• Ben olmasam bile Alex olmalı Mardetanha.~(Kusura bakmayın karıştım ama) E M P E R Y A N ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ 20:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Merhaba

Sayın Mardetanha beni adminliğe layık gördüğünüz için teşekkür ederim.Görevimi en iyi şekilde yapmaya çalışacağım.Yetkilerim nelerdir ve bunları nasıl kullanacağım hakkında bilgi verirseniz sevinirim. Alex Demirci 22:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

ne soaliz olsa jecap vermga hazirim , beni affedin ke Turkce keyboardam su anda yokdur 18:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Qlobal idarəçi

Salam Mardetanha. Qlobal idarəçi olmaq üçün nə etmək lazımdır? --Cekli829 12:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Global_permissions#Requests_for_global_sysop_permissions gerek isdetigize yazasiz Mardetanha ^talk 18:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Təşəkkür edirəm! --Cekli829 09:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

SR/SUL

Maybe you could have a look here? You're a 'crat at fawiki, right? :) --dferg ^{☎ talk} 17:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done :-) Mardetanha ^talk 18:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Dear Mardetanha, thanks a lot for your assistance. --Jik jik 19:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem Mardetanha ^talk 16:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Cekli829 [1]

Hi Mardetanha, deyəcəyim problemlər çox ciddidir:

1. Azərbaycan Vikipediyasında keçirilən etimad səsverməsində [2] sysop Cekli829 [3] qaydada göstərilən səsi yığa bilmədi. Qaydada deyilir:Status-kvonun dəyişilməsi ilə bağlı səsvermələrdə səsvermədə iştirak edənlərin ən azı 2/3-si müsbət rəy bildirməlidir (neytral səslər cəmi səsə daxildir)[4]. Hazırkı səsvermədə isə müsbət rəy verənlərin sayı 22-dir. 22<23,34 (22 səs yetərli deyil)- yəni etimad göstərilməyib. Amma Cekli829 səsvermənin nəticəsini saxtalaşdırdı.

2. Cekli829-dən yazdıqlarına mənbə istədikdə deyir ki, mənbə özüməm.[5]

3. Səsvermədə userlərə başqasının yerinə səsverməyə təklif edir :[6]

Yuxarıda deyilənlər cox ciddi arqumentlərdir. Umumi Vikipediya qaydalarını və səsvermənin nəticəsini nəzərə alaraq tələb edirəm ki, Cekli829-dən idarəçi statusunu alın. --Irada 08:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Mardetanha, Ceklinin etdikləri artıq Vandalizm-dir: [7] --Irada 10:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hörmətli Mardetanha! Mən də əvvəlcə Sizi salamlayaraq, İradə xanımın mənim haqqımda Sizə yazdıqlarına reaksiya vermək istəyirəm. İnanıram ki, doğru qərar qəbul edəcəksiniz. İlk əvvəl onu bildirim ki, Azərbaycandilli Vikipediyada İradə xanımın fəaliyyəti ilə bağlı heç bir kəsə şikayətim yoxdur. Çünki o istər idarəçi kimi, istərsə də istifadəçi kimi fəaliyyətində təbii olaraq səhvlərə yol versə də, bununla bağlı müəyyən məqamlarda mən ona şəxsən münasibət bildirmişəm. Və zaman-zaman, hətta onun özü də öz səhvlərini etiraf etmişdir. Bütün bunları təbii qəbul edirəm. Və Sizdən yalnız 1 məsələ ilə bağlı xahişim var. İdarəçi İradə xanımdan Etimad səsverməsinə getməyini tələb edin. Necə ki, mən bunu etdim və yenidən etimad qazandım. Bunu mənim lehimə səs vermiş 22 istifadəçi də təsdiq edə bilər. Necə ki, hörmətli bürokratımız Sortilegus da səsverməyə yekun vuraraq bunu təsdiq etmişdir. --Cekli829 12:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Mən səsərmeni gordum , biz bu halat de , brukrat sunzune bakarix , brukrat ne dise , onun suzə bizə meqbul de . mən indi Sortilegus istyiram ke burda səs versin , problem nə olsa burda onə çözerik Mardetanha ^talk 16:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

See also: User talk:Irada#Yalnız META-da --Cekli829 14:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Çeviriler

Merhaba Mardetanha. Farsça çevirilerinizi görüyorum ve bu beni sevindirdi. Fakat Azerice ve Türkçe'ye de çevirilerinizin katkılarını bekliyorum. Bu beni daha çok sevindirecektir. İyi vikiler. E M P E R Y A N ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ 22:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Sayin Emperyan ben ozum cok cok Azerice ve Türkçe yazmaka mayilam , amma ben en boyuk problem , zayifligim yazmakda dir , Ben dil Öğrenmesinde burda arabic alefasine Öğrenmisem , ona gure yazmak bana cok zor gellir , bur qusur tezlikca gerek cozem , amma bir aciq zeman lazim , ke su anda ben de yok :) İlginize tesekkür Mardetanha ^talk 16:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Dorud

Hello Mardetanha after Persian Wikipedia I could meet you here that's a honor! (Faramarz IV 21:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC))

Yay :-) you will see me almost everywhere in wiki world , anyway welcome to Metawiki Mardetanha ^talk 21:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

For the comment - I'm afraid I have some other things to deal with this year. Maybe one day! Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 11:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You are really the one whom we lack in steward team , having you would benefit so much to the wikimedia wiki. Though i do respect your opinion but i assume it is high time that you should have been steward. so please give it a shot and join us Mardetanha ^talk 12:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

dalil khasti darad?

با درود ، ربات ICEAGE ویرایش‌های مر خنثی کرده من بخش فهرست ویکی‌پدیاها را فارسی سازی کردم ، دلیل خاصی دارد که دوباره انگلیسیش کرده؟ سپاس

(Faramarz IV 18:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC))

باید از خودش بپرسم . می‌شود پیوند به ویرایشی که ربات اشتباه کرده را به من بدهید Mardetanha ^talk 18:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

در بالا روی واژۀ خنثی کرده زده‌ام (Faramarz IV 22:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC))

آیا مشاهده کردید پیوند رو ؟ سپاس (Faramarz IV 19:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC))

موقتا ربات را بستم 20:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

همان‌طوری که می‌دانید به روز رسانی دستی آمارهای ویکی‌پدیا کاری بسیار دشوار است و کدی رو با ربات نوشتم که اطلاعات آن جدول را هر روز در ساعت ۳ صبح به وقت گرینویچ به روز می‌کند. البته هنوز کد کامل نیست و نیاز به فارسی‌سازی است. من در حال حاضر در شرایطی نیستم که بتوانم کد را تغییر دهم. اگر می‌خواهید هر روز آن جدول بزرگ را دستی به روز کنید مشکلی نیست. ربات را متوقف کنید. من در اولین فرصت کدهای فارسی‌ساز رو به ربات می‌دهم. موفق باشید. ICEAGE 18:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

سلام . با توجه به اینکه به مشکلات شما اگاهی داشتم ربات را موقتا بستم. من الان ربات را باز می‌‌کنم اما لطفا ربات در این زمینه نرانید. البته امیدوارم هروقت که فرصت داشتید ربات را بروز و تقاضای پرچم بکنید. دوستدارMardetanha ^talk 19:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

در حال حاضر من به سرورهای toolserver به دلیل نداشتن کلیدم، دسترسی ندارم. بنابراین تا چند وقت دیگه رباتم خودش کار می‌کند و من در راندن آن کاره‌ای نیستم. اما در اولین فرصت کدها را به روز رسانی می‌کنم. ممنون ICEAGE 17:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

باشد. انشالله که زود کلید یافته شود Mardetanha ^talk 18:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

بستن ربات

لطفا ربات را فقط در صفحهٔ ذکر شده ببندید و کلا آن را متوقف نکنید چون ربات در جاهایی دیگری نیز ویرایش می‌کند. ممنون ICEAGE 18:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Bon appetit

מתניה 19:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks indeed :-) Mardetanha ^talk 19:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

- Ottava Rima (talk) 19:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

oh my God , Thanks for all these sweats Mardetanha ^talk 19:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

wikimedia-admin

Hello!

I've during the last few days completely cleaned out the access list of our IRC admin channel. Per this clean up, we've also updated and re-organized the on-wiki record of this channel here. This list is now exactly the same as the access list on IRC. Please always remember to update this list when making changes to the channel on IRC. It's just a reminder. Best, -Barras 12:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure , thanks for letting me know Mardetanha ^talk 15:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

hi

درود. مردتنهای عزیز داشتم از اینجا رد می‌شدم گفتم عرض ارادتی کنم. دوستدار PHoBiA 09:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

اردتمندیم فوبیاجان Mardetanha ^talk 09:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Mardetanha,

With regard to your neutral vote on my candidacy, while it's true, we don't run into each other very often, we have run across each other before on IRC a couple of times, and I recommended you a few times as a point of contact for Iranian currency or Persian language issues during the fundraiser. I'd also point out that while I hadn't traditionally idled in the stewards channel, I'm in 12+ channels on IRC, 6 of which are wikimedia- related, and my OTRS work (especially the legal related work) frequently has me involved in investigating cross-wiki or foreign language issues, though that does not always necessarily translate into edits. Despite being a primarily English language speaker, I'm quite capable of reading and understanding the basics of most romance languages. Finally, as I noted in my questions, I'll be attending language training at the Foreign Service Institute in the next couple of months; I won't know what language until after April, but a year of intensive full-time language training by the State Department I'd think should help address concerns about monolingual speakers. If you like, I'm sure you can ask Philippe for a recommendation of my cross-wiki work. Thanks for your vote, and have a great day. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 05:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for late response, i will re-evaluate my vote at the last time and thanks for comment here Mardetanha ^talk 20:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Be careful

Since you're you-know-where doing you-know-what, I'm going to be holding my breath and turning blue until you're back and we all know you're safe.

Just be careful, and if there's a choice between safety and letting us know how you are... pick safety. That's more important.

Talk to you later. Kylu 05:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :-) every thing is safe now Mardetanha ^talk 11:58, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

So, how's everything going? Topple a dictator yet? :) Kylu 14:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

We need more time , and everything is calm now Mardetanha ^talk 20:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

{{user language}} translation

Hello Mardetanha. Could you migrate the translations in Template:User language/fa into Template:User language 2/locale#fa (فارسی)? Unfortunately my browser doesn't handle editing right-to-left text very well. —Pathoschild 08:55:27, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done Mardetanha ^talk 18:25, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Original Research

Hi,

If an article is written 12 years ago and people have already given citation to it, is it still considered original research? Keep in mind that the article is proposing something totally new against the common belief.Kazemita1 03:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Time is not an issue here , yet it is original research and thus has to be removed Mardetanha ^talk 07:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Salamlar

Salam Mardetanha. Vikimedianın Azerbaycan dilinde olan layihelerinde admin seçkileri keçirilmişdir. az:s:VikiMənbə:İdarəçilər, az:q:Vikisitat:İdarəçilər, az:wikt:Wiktionary:İdarəçi namizədi/Sinan, az:b:VikiKitab:İdarəçilər

User-ler lazımi ses toplayaraq admin seçilmişler. Xahiş edirem onlara admin statusu veresiz.

P.S.Mümkünse daimi status. Mümkün deyilse 6 aylıq müveqqeti (layihede sonrakı aktivlikleri nezere alınmaqla). Hormetle:--Sortilegus 23:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Mjbmr

You blocked Mjbmr (rightly so) — should someone like that be running a global bot? Seb az86556 02:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so + his Toolserver account has been suspended due to misuse Mardetanha ^talk 02:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

fa.wiki automatic approval

Hi Mardetanha, could you clarify whether the fa.wiki bot policy allows atuomatic approval? This came up at a bot status request, and my understanding is that this means automatic approval is no longer allowed. However, it's still marked as 'allowed' in the bot policy implementation table and there seem to be different interpretations on what the policy says (see my talk page, and a related discussion here). It would be good to get a confirmation on what the local policy is so that I can update the implementation table if necessary. Thanks, Jafeluv 07:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello, we must discuss about it Amir 14:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Now , there is an ongoing discussion related to this issue in fawiki Mardetanha ^talk 15:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, Our users haven't good faith about automatic approval. :(Amir 17:32, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

SBL

Re [8] - I do not think social networks, specially those whose links has been spammed, are of any value to our projects... There are opposing views by Beetstra which I share too. Regards, -- Dferg ^{☎ talk} 21:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

This url belongs to the one of most famous Russian social network website which you may see the article here, i was request to fix the link in arwiki which due to blacklist they were unable to fix the error , thus I believe this website shouldn't be in spam-black list Mardetanha ^talk 21:44, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted this removal, I think this should be discussed on the talkpage first. These sites were significantly and disruptively spammed on many wikis. If for some places it is appropriate, then the local whitelists should cover that. Social networking sites are generally hardly useful outside of the own wikipage and some occasional linking, and I think that the spamming of this link has shown that there is significant disruption in other places. I hope to see some further discussion. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} (en: U, T) 09:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind putting it back on the blacklist, your words are correct, but it might be nice if we could check it's current issue among wikis Mardetanha ^talk 09:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

It's current use? It can not be added at the moment. The request on Talk:Spam blacklist has a link to several on and off-wiki search engines to see where it still is (cross-wiki linksearch, links to addition-records, etc.). A quick search shows that it is nowhere whitelisted, but globally blacklisted. Most wikis don't seem to have interest in the link itself. It might be an idea to replace the current item with '\.vk\.com\b', which would allow http://vk.com, but not the subdomains which seem to be the problem (ru.wikipedia has such a rule, IIRC). Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} (en: U, T) 13:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• Mardetanha, I'm not surprised that your removal was reverted, but, I'd ask: what's the rush? In fact, a period with no blacklisting could serve as a test to see if the blacklisting is still needed, as long as some attention is paid to what happens.

• I've been round in circles with Beetstra over issues that were in some way similar, though with sites that were more clearly useful. If a link was "spammed," cross-wiki, which in practice can mean simply that many links are being added, and it is not necessarily checked whether they were legitimate or not, the site may routinely be blacklisted, and all existing links removed, which could even be considered vandalism, where those links had been accepted by consensus (which has happened). Arguments above that a site is useless are often made; usefulness of a site will be deprecated based on being "fringe," "not reliable source," etc., though WMF wikis vary in how these are applied, and exceptions exist; for example, a Facebook page for a notable figure may sometimes be cited as reliable source for views of the figure. It's up to local editorial consensus. A conference paper, not usable for reliable source, may nevertheless be useful on a Talk page, and, in the current situation, a user may wish to link to their Facebook or similar page, on their user page. It's up to each wiki the extent to which they wish to allow this.

• However, if the site is blacklisted, the discussion may never even take place. The purpose of the blacklist is to prevent spamming, not to control content otherwise, and one of the problems is that blacklisting doesn't expire, and "spamming," of course, was always a thing of the past, if the site is blacklisted, it may or may not recur if the site is delisted.

• When I've seen what might be called an "abusive blacklisting," i.e., where actual spamming was not shown and listing was based on an illegitimate argument, such as "not useful," or "fringe," the argument that it's useless is self-confirming, i.e., there isn't any usage, so it must be useless. The possibility of whitelisting is normally raised. I've had pages whitelisted, and it can be an onerous process. On en.wikipedia, requests can sit for months with no response at all. Whitelistings from good-faith requests are often denied based on an admin judgment as to the proposed use, which makes admins have content control, not good policy.

• Yes, any wiki can defeat the global blacklist operation by whitelisting pages or the whole site, but many site admins are not aware of blacklist and whitelist operation and most users won't go to the trouble, should they run into the blacklist. Were it true that any registered user, for example, could request a specific page be whitelisted and the request would be immediately granted if no very clear reason were apparent, blacklisting would not be such a problem. The blacklist message could give users instructions on how to request a whitelisting expeditiously, and even more creative solutions are possible that would create no risk of significant spamming.

• The whole process needs attention from others whose primary concern is not preventing spam, because the anti-spam efforts, though appreciated, have done content damage in the past and may continue to do so. I've documented some of this, if you are interested.

• I agree with Beetstra that the removal should have been discussed first on the Spam blacklist talk page, but the re-addition should also have been discussed. --Abd 23:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I would like to echo what you have said above, all are valid, Beetstra's action was a real rush, we really should see if it is going be spammed or not, some people seems just like to take short cut and blacklist everything with single click rather than see what is useful and what is not, Anyway with this situation there is no wonder there are not many active people in the field of Spam blacklist. Mardetanha ^talk 17:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

It's self-fulfilling. There would be ways to involve general editors, and I proposed them, but ... Beetstra, anyway, was not interested, and an experiment at the en.wiki whitelist was opposed. It can be done without compromising the genuine restriction of spam. It does take some effort, but what isn't visible is the frustration of many editors who can't save an edit because of a spam link in it. Sometimes they didn't add it! MiszaBot II failed to archive four discussions on w:WP:RSN a discussion led to a request on the en.wp blacklist page, granted (with no evidence of spamming!) promptly, and then the set of discussions could not be archived. But had already been deleted, so four discussions vanished.... (It's been fixed, but not the MiszaBot bug, I imagine.) With the blacklisting of lyrikline.org, I saw a user had put in a link -- legitimate, as were all or almost all usages at the time of blacklisting -- by using nowiki or another device. Most users would give up in frustration! Popular web sites will always have some level of inappropriate addition, so it can be a difficult call, I respect that. However, the other side, the needs of the user community should also be considered. Thanks for your response. --Abd 19:47, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

No, Abd, you again misinterpret me, I was, and have shown repeatedly to be interested (enough proof can be found in diffs on en.wikipedia if one feels to go through my edits there), and no, the experiment was also not opposed, Abd even posted responses to whitelist requests, but most were ignored (and NOT by me). I will not go into the rest of your interpretations, you know what I think about that. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} (en: U, T) 09:28, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Mardetanha, the site was on a significant scale spammed, and seen the text surrounding the additions, with the only goal of generating traffic to that site. The only other additions were the ones to the page of the site itself (i.e en:Vkontakte.ru and similar). Seen that the disruption outside of that, and the low proper/regular use of the site (on that time), and the problem that the spammers did use multiple unrelated IPs cross-wiki, blacklisting the site was a good, if not only, solution. Like Abd generally does, you assume bad faith here on the admins active on the blacklist with your '... some people seems just like to take short cut and blacklist everything with single click', an insult which comes often from people who do not spend any time on the subject of spamming: no, spamming is NOT vandalism, people earn money by spamming, spammers do not stop after being blocked (they will go around, they loose money if they do), spammers do not stop after being blacklisted (they find ways around, they loose money if they stop), spammers will return (they earn money after a link can be re-inserted!). And I have seen the amount of disruption coming from undiscussed and unthoughtful removals (do I have to look for the sockfarms on en.wikipedia?). And no, spamming is not just porn and viagra links, big, respectable companies (even not-for-profit organisations) go into campaigns of getting their links spread around the internet, even worse, they will hire companies (SEOs) doing it for them. It does pay to have your links here! Stop the thought that spamming is just a form of vandalism. It is not.

You are both right: we do make mistakes. Sometimes we blacklist something which is actually a good site. Sometimes things get blacklisted were another solution may have been feasible. We know that blacklisting sites can result in disruption (and it may be of the same scale as the spamming). But that does NOT deserve remarks suggesting we do not check what we are doing, that we are abusing the blacklist. If a request is properly filed, it is very likely to be handled. I do not believe that we are not responsive to questions and remarks, or that we are not responsive to other solutions.

You might want to clarify what you mean with 'with this situation there is no wonder there are not many active people in the field of Spam blacklist' ... you mean that we do not want to discuss, that we scare away people, we are bossy .. whatever? Hmm .. again, assume good faith, Abd knows very well, that I am even willing to try the experiment of temporary removal and see if abuse resumes .. but with discussion, please. I am sorry, I have been long around here, I have seen and done such experiments (again, see my remark about the sockfarm on en.wikipedia), and I have had also the 'pleasure' of having to clean up, find all the socks, and re-blacklist such sites (and in some cases, even having to take the abuse of the accounts on myself). The remarks from both of you suggest that we are lazy in finding other solutions, are not responsive, etc. etc., which, especially for me, is not true, and I know that it is not true for most of the editors here active on the blacklist. Still, more editors who are willing to discuss and consider are welcome. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} (en: U, T) 09:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)(expanded --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} (en: U, T) 09:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC))

TemplateScript upgrade

Hi Mardetanha. You're using TemplateScript (in your /monobook.js), which I've recently redesigned and rewritten. The changes include scripts, sidebar sections, conditional display, a simpler and more flexible interface, full compatibility with Vector and legacy skins, and a few other things (see the new documentation). I'm gradually migrating users to the new version; do you want me to update your script, or would you prefer to no longer get updates?

(Also, MediaWiki now supports a /common.js subpage. If you'd like, Synchbot can delete your skin-specific subpages crosswiki, and create global common.js subpages. :)) —Pathoschild 03:30:39, 09 May 2011 (UTC)

great, let the bot to do so Mardetanha ^talk 16:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Azerice Vikipedi ve hakaret edenler!

• Merhaba Mardetanha. Maalesef sizi rahatsız edeceğim bu yüzden beni affedin. Neyse Türkçe Vikipedi'de tr:Ermenistan bayrağı seçkin madde ve bu hafta ana sayfaya çıktı. Tabii bunu Azeriler dert etti ve kendi vikilerinde tartışıyorlar :). az:User:İrada isimli kullanıcı bize şerefsiz demekten usanmadı. Burası ile burası kanıt olarak değinilebilir. Ayrıca Azerice Vikipedi'ye de taraflı olmaktan ve Vikipedi'yi milli ansiklopedileri yapmaktan dolayı ufak ama çok çok ufak bir uyarı gönderseniz. Bunların yaşanmasını istemezdim ancak bu kadar abartıdan sonra bir uyarıyı hakkettiler bence. E M P E R Y A N ileti/message 15:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Benim elimden bir iş gelmez taasofdan sonra, be azwiki kulancilirin heyecanlarinin anlayabiliyorum. bu mesle azerileri icin bir boyuk bir milli mesele dir. ama wikipedia siyasi tartışmalar için bir mekan değildir Mardetanha ^talk 16:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sizin elinizden gelen yok tabii ki. Ancak bir kahya olarak sizin uyarınız ya da sözünüz daha etkili olacaktır. Azeriler için önemli bir "milli" olay doğru bu bizim için de geçerli ancak Vikipedi dışında! Yani ufak bir uyarı iyi olacaktır düşüncesindeyim. Aksi halde ileride bu taraflılığı fark edenler direkt kapatma davası açacaklardır. Çünkü hızlı bir şekilde ilerleyen bir Viki Azerice Vikipedi. E M P E R Y A N ileti/message 19:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Temporary sysops

Hello Mardetanha. When are Danny's temporary administrator permissions set to expire? Regards, -- Dferg ^{☎ talk} 13:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration , now it is removed Mardetanha ^talk 15:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care. I'm running through the different lists of people with accesses and found that. Regards, -- Dferg ^{☎ talk} 15:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Per his request,I have regrant him temp adminship for a week Mardetanha ^talk

Noted. Thanks. I think we could nominate him for perm. admin at some point :). Regards, -- Dferg ^{☎ talk} 17:18, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed :) Mardetanha ^talk 17:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

user account usurp

Hello Mardetanha,

could you please take care of this usurp request on fa:کاربر:Galadriel. Thanks in advance axp_de^Hello! 08:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done Mardetanha ^talk 09:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again :) axp_de^Hello! 13:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Election 2011

سلام بر مرد تنها

نمی خواهم نق زده باشم، ولی الان دو روز از پانزدهم ژوئن گذشته و خبری از اعلام نتایج نیست. به عنوان عضوی از هیئت برگزاری : خطی، خبری، نقل قولی، شایعه ای در چنته نیست؟ نکند تقویم ویکی قمری بوده و ساعتشان با واقع شدن خسوف از کار افتاده باشد. پیروز باشی

Sohale SHARIFAN 08:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

درود دقایقی پیش نتایج را اعلام کردم Mardetanha ^talk 15:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

A thanks

Thank you for all your hard work. I know the committee has gotten a lot of negative feedback, but this is totally understandable given how few of you there are compared to how much work there is to be done. Thank you for volunteering to be one of the ones to help do it. --Alecmconroy 15:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks indeed :-) Mardetanha ^talk 15:03, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing

I had talked about canvassing during the elections, but I'm waiting an answer from the elections commettee since then. Thank's. --Millars 12:35, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Stop the monarchy

Salam Mardetanha. Mən ümid edirəm ki, bu məsələni sis həll edəcəksiniz! Baxın: [9] Səsvermədə 20 səs yığmağıma baxmayaraq Sortilegus məsələni öz ürəyi istədiyi kimi həll etmək istəyir. Vikipediya monarxiya üsulu ilə idarə olunmaz! az.wikipedia.org - da baş verən özbaşınalığın həddi artıq yoxdur. Sortilegus 20 nəfərin səsinə hörmət etmədi! Mən bürokrat seçildiyim halda səsverməni saxtalaşdırmağa çalışır. Əgər Azərbaycan Vikipediyası sizi bir az da olsa narahat edirsə qərarı özünüz verin! Hörmətlə, --Irada 08:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Vikipediya:İdarəçilərin və bürokratların seçilməsi qaydaları-nda deyilir 3/4 səs yığan bürokrat ola bilər. Bürokratlığın ləğv olunmasında, yəni status-kvoda 3/4 müsbət səs yığılmalıdır. Amma Sortilegus bu qaydanı pozdu!--Irada 08:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

See: [10] . Waiting for your decision! --Irada 08:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Iradanın müraciətinin əsassız olduğunu bu səhifədəki yekunlaşdırmaya baxdıqda açıq-aydın görmək mümkündür. Əlavə olaraq bildirim ki, AzVikidə heç bir monarxiya mövcud deyil, bundan sonra da olmayacaq. Biz mehriban ailəyik. Lakin davamlı olaraq bu mehribançılığın möhkəmlənməsinə deyil, əleyhinə olduğu üçün, əsassız iddialarla META-ya müraciət edərək AzVikidə böhran yaratdığına görə Iradanın META-da bloklanmasını Sizdən xahiş edirəm. Hörmətlə, --Cekli829 08:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Mehriban ailə deyil: [11] --Irada 09:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Necə olur ki, burada 22 səsə qarşı 9 səs - qəbul edilir, burada isə 18 səsə qarşı 6 səs qəbul edilmir. Mən qərar gözləyirəm!--Irada 09:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Mənim elimden, bu movred de bir iş gəlmir. Aziwki icinde gərək bu mevzu həl oluna. amma Buni demek lazim o zamandaki sadəce bir dana brukrat var , ok gerek oy vermiye , va terefsiz qala elave ərz ədim brukrat secilməgine gore 80-85 % lazimdir , ke idaraci secilmesinde yuxaridir. Hörmətlə Mardetanha ^talk 14:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hər şey aydındır. Təşəkkür edirəm.

Amma Azərbaycan Vikipediyasındakı qaydaya görə [12]: "Bürokratlığa namizəd etibarlı səslərin sayının ən azı 3/4-nü (75 %-ni) alarsa seçilmiş, əks halda seçilməmiş hesab olunur" Yəni 80-85 % yox, 75 % lazımdır. Ümid edirəm ki, qərarınız ədalətli olacaq. Thanks. --Irada 04:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Translator, We need you!

Dear Mardetanha,

You have helped us in previous years with translations and for that we are most grateful. Now we turn towards the 2011/12 fundraiser. It may seem forever away, but work has already begun getting everything ready to go. This year we want to have landing pages covering as many countries in as many languages as possible.

Right now, we want to figure out who is interested in translating for the fundraiser. This year we're hoping to have more of a solidified "core" group of translators that we can count on to have work done by a few key dates, but we'd also welcome help from people who are willing to just help out when they can.

If you would be interested please take a look at this little sign-up survey and fill it out http://survey.wikimedia.org/index.php?sid=13638&newtest=Y&lang=en. With that we can start building a list of people and filling any gaps in the languages we serve.

Many Thanks

Joseph Seddon (User:Jseddon (WMF))

Production Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
Jseddon (WMF) 00:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Your name

You explain the meaning of Mardetanha, but don't say which language it is: farsi? azeri? ;) Greetings from Galicia. Sobreira (parlez) 16:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes. It is Farsi.--Pesare amol 19:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

ارادت

سلام محسن جان. دیدم کمی بیش از حد بی معرفت شدی و دوستان رو فراموش کردی. گفتیم بیام در دیار غربت ابراز ارادت کنیم. شاید اینجا فرجی حاصل شد. عیدت مبارک @};- دوستدار ابدی شما:--Pesare amol 19:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

سالام‌لار

سالام‌لار حورمتلی مرد تنها. بیز آزویکی‌ده بویوک بیر موشکوله راست گلمیشیک. من اولان‌لارین هامیسین [13] صحیفه‌سینده یازمیشام. بیزه یاردیم ائده بیلسنیز اسیرگه‌مه‌یین لوطفن. درین حورمتله --Ebrahimi-amir 11:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Mən yuxarıda sizə neçə dəfə yazdım axı...Siz isə məhəl qoymadız. Bu da nəticəsi. AzVikidə belə bir vəziyyətin yaranması məni üzür. --Irada 13:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Iradanın özbaşnalığı

Salam. Xahiş edirəm ki, bu problemin həlli ilə yaxından məşğul olun. --►Safir yüzüklü Cekli^mesaj 05:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Iranian librarians

I made a comment that librarians would follow the cultural norms of their societies and not all librarians in the world would wish to give everyone (even children) access to all content (such as pornography). I was called names for that statement.

My question for you: do librarians in Iran provide access to books with images of Mohammed or access to pornography? Or do they respect cultural taboos? Ottava Rima (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Steward_requests/Global#Global_unlock_for_konst2010

Please, take a look on it. Lvova 13:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Flood attacks on Ansiklopedika.org by Turkish Wikipedians

Hello Mohsen;

I am an admin from Ansiklopedika.org. We are a Turkish wiki with 17.000 articles but with poor conditions and a weak server. We are having flood attacks that block our website sometimes that we believe that come from Turkis Wikipedians. On the IRC no stewards helped me. I saw you can also speak Turkish. I would like to ask if you can help us somehow on this problem. Thank you.

Konti from Ansiklopedika.org 78.163.166.58 16:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Removal of global bot status

Hello Mard ! As I'm doing this for every bot having the global bot status and that does not have any edit in the last six months, I would like to ask you if your bot, Tanhabot, will still be active. Do you need the global bot status anymore, or could it be removed ? Thanks. -- Quentinv57 ^(talk) 14:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I prefer to keep it, if I don't run for month or two, i will remove the flag myself, thanks for your attention Mardetanha ^talk 17:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

İstek

• Merhaba Mard. Şurada bir görüş bildirir misin? O coğrafyada yaşadığın için bu konuda bilgilisindir :) Emperyan-message/ileti-WMTR 16:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Permission request

Hi Mardetanha, have some time to promote/reject this request? Thanks! --Bencmq 09:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and the one above that request as well :) --Bencmq 09:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, he strangely has nominated himself for sysop access in all fa related projects, I told him not to do so Mardetanha ^talk 09:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

کومک

درود! بنده در اینجا درخواستی داده‌ام و فکر نمی‌کنم که عیبی در کارم باشد،(!) ولی با این که اغلب در این صفحه سریعأ درخواست‌ها پاسخ داده می‌شوند، پاسخی نمی‌بینم. از آنجا که زیاد از انگلیسی و کار در آن صفحه مطلع نیستم، از شما تقاضا می‌کنم، پیگیر کارم باشید.

شیمی خدابدون؛ --محک 13:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Is it allowed in Wikipedia?

To keep in the pages of wiki Administrator's personnel thesis? at http://sd.wikipedia.org ? Other problem is We call Computer as same in English, but admin forcibly used his word Ganpukar of Computer. I have proof that thousands of published books called it Computer not Ganpukar. If some one oppose him he started abusive language. That is the reason sd.wikipedia.org never got attraction to Sindhi community. Plz check record there. Other things are he locked CSS due to that on the same site there are lot of font styles appeared there. He is not able to set commonCSS or Monocss. We are in trouble to work in our local Sindhi language. I don't know where to say for this problem. Record history says all the situation there. I appeal plz warn him to follow en.wikipedia.org rules, other wise he will continue use his personnel details and personnel promoted articles there. Dear I am sorry If u r not right person to say all about this, Plz suggest me where I can raise this issue. My sd.wikipedia.org ID is same. His thesis is not a violetion? http://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/ماحولياتي_انتظام_ڪاڻ_اُپُگِرَهِي_عَڪس_ضماءُ_۽_درجه_بنديءَ_جي_طريقن_جو_اَڀياس

Alixafar 01:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Problem

Hello! i think there's a problem about SSL server of fa.wikinews or maybe fa.wikipedia, when I'm logged in from fa.wikipedia and switch to fa.wikinews says that به سامانه وارد نشده‌اید (you're not logged in). Is there a problem? --Faramarz^♚♔♚ 14:05, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello :), I checked this issue and haven't pumped into this problem, you may ask other users to test this issue too, If needed I will report this issue to developers Mardetanha ^talk 05:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

زبان مادری

چه جالب! نمی‌دانستم اهالی زنجان هم زبان مادریشان انگلیسی (az,fa,en) است!!! :-) دوستدار AMERICOPHILE 06:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

بله، برای خودم هم جالب است ;s Mardetanha ^talk 06:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Hi! I just want to thank you and give you this barnstar for your help with the translation of the 2011 fundraiser! The fundraiser was the best we ever had, both in terms of the amount we collected and in terms of number of translations. We couldn't have done either one without the help we got from you and other translators. If you are interested, we made a report, which has some statistics about the translations.

And: I have one more request, and that is that you take this survey. You may have got an e-mail about it, and if you did, please ignore this. But if you didn't it would be great if you would take this survey too, so we can learn to improve the translation experience.

Again, thanks for your help with translations – you're awesome! Jon Harald Søby (WMF) 13:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)