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{{PD-AR-Presidency}} images[edit]


I saw that you are changing the license of the {{PD-AR-Presidency}} images to CC-by-2.0 ([[[commons:Special:Contributions/Pathoschild|the|changes]]]) aline with some OTRS message with the ticket #2007042610015988.

Please tell me:

Regards --ALE! ¿…? 21:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Please also inform here about the outcome of the deletion request. --ALE! ¿…? 21:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Since the licensing is just a release under the Creative Commons attribution license, a separate license template is redundant, adds unnecessary confusion for reusers, makes filtering by license more difficult, and unnecessarily increases the complexity of bot parsing. Instead, I will rename and change {{PD-AR-Presidency}} to a shortcut template. Thus, using {{subst:cc-ar-presidency}} will place the license information I am placing.
Yes, I will update the documentation and discussions when I am done. —Pathoschild 22:13:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have to "subst" the template instead of just include it by {{CC-AR-Presidency}}? Is there a good reason? --ALE! ¿…? 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
This makes it easier for bots to parse the licensing, since substituting places the real license. I don't feel strongly about substitution either way; maybe you could ask which is preferred on Commons:Village pump, or just change the instructions if you feel strongly about not substituting. —Pathoschild 04:37:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
It is not common on Commons to subst a template so I will change this. --ALE! ¿…? 07:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Could you please add the template to the images using the new license and delete the subst-ed text? Thank you! --07:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll do that tomorrow. If you'd like to start in the meantime, see a generated list of images with the substituted code. —Pathoschild 06:12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone with a bot can give you a hand? --ALE! ¿…? 21:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
That would be nice, but it's not the reason I haven't done it yet. I simply have too many things to do at once. :) —Pathoschild 23:36:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 17:12:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You promised to make Template:See also very, very nice.[edit]

* fuu refuses to edit that template without completely redesigning
it to alleviate messiness and scalability problems.
<uuf> {{fixitrightnowyoungman}}
* fuu ponders how to resolve scalability issues and messiness.

We will not forget. —Benn Newman 03:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of not forgetting… —Benn Newman 21:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I put together an AJAX localization loader on Meta that might be applicable for this; poke me again next Remembrance Day after I've fixed it up and tested it more thoroughly. ;) —Pathoschild 08:51:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks! And I think that you saw all votes. Smile on my face are very big - I can't upload my photos, 'couse it's unnormal for people voting behind me :) It's beyond of level of my comprehewnhing Joymaster 20:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Joymaster. As a steward, I implemented community consensus without judgment. If you believe the decision was in error, please consult the community instead of myself directly. —Pathoschild 08:53:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the template, but the Last Name, First Name parameter doesn't seem to do anything. From looking at the code, it seems it's supposed to include the image in Category:Luke Ford photos, but it doesn't. --AnonEMouse 14:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out; it was caused a misplaced <noinclude> tag. It's fixed now. —Pathoschild 19:41:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

JS request[edit]

Something about "getElementById('n-uploadbtn') and change the href attribute, so it would just be a few lines with an addOnloadHook wrapper" to change the "Upload file" link in the sidebar to Special:Upload... I'll pretend I know what all that means :P -- Editor at Largetalk 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding the following code to your script file should do it. You'll need to clear your browser cache before it can start working (in Firefox, press [CTRL] and [R] at the same time).
*** Add direct upload link <>
*** by [[m:user:Pathoschild]]
function AddDirectUploadLink() {
	var uploaditem = document.getElementById('n-uploadbtn');
	var newlink = document.createElement('a');
	newlink.setAttribute('href',wgServer + '/wiki/' + 'Special:Upload');
	newlink.setAttribute('title','Direct link to upload page');
	uploaditem.appendChild(document.createTextNode(' '));
Pathoschild 00:09:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Brilliancy! Thank you so much, even better than what I was looking for :D -- Editor at Largetalk 01:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. :D —Pathoschild 01:38:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

licensing for :Image:Wikimedia Foundation organization chart.svg[edit]

Please see Commons talk:Licensing#Image:Wikimedia_Foundation_organization_chart.svg... ++Lar: t/c 05:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

From Commons talk:Licensing:

I think this can't just be PD licensed, it has the WMF logo on it, so I suggest it also needs {{CopyrightByWikimedia}} or something similar but I'm not sure which, and I didn't want to attach a license to it that would cause difficulty later if removed. ++Lar: t/c 05:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I responded on the image talk page. —Pathoschild 21:45:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Removing the logo as you suggested there, finesses the whole problem so seems a good approach. ++Lar: t/c 21:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 22:23:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

From Image talk:Wikimedia Foundation organization chart.svg:

This image can't "just" be PD, it has the WMF logo on it. I think it needs dual licensing to cover the logo... perhaps this license: {{CopyrightByWikimedia}} which I suggest added pending correction. I'll mention this at Commons:Licensing to get more input. ++Lar: t/c 05:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

How about we just remove the logo to avoid trademark problems? The chart itself is in the public domain. —Pathoschild 21:44:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
That would work. I'm not sure how one would tag "part" of an image as one copyright and another part a different one so removing it finesses the problem. But there IS a "composite" tag that could be used. ++Lar: t/c 21:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 22:20:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:Category:NASA FACTS[edit]

ALL images in the NASA FACTS publications are covered by the Bernardo cover letter which is referenced at :Category:NASA FACTS. Please do not change these images to remove logos, please do no nominate them for deletion. ALL NASA FACTS materials are intended for reproduction. 20:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Why are you telling me? I don't think I've edited any NASA images or nominated them for deletion. —Pathoschild 22:12:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

re. Image deletion[edit]

Aww, there goes my favourite barnstar. :( —Pathoschild 20:05:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

:( giggy (:O) 08:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Requested image deletion[edit]

Aww, there goes my favourite barnstar. :( —Pathoschild 20:05:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll create a better one for you, I promise! Huji 17:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


Babel templates[edit]

Hégésippe Cormier[edit]

It's my own choice to have, on my user page, Babel templates in my own way, with the same colors on all wikis inside the Wikimedia Foundation projects smiley. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 04:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I updated your categories manually to match the standard user language system. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:33:50, 06 February 2008 (UTC)
Collateral damages on smiley... Hégésippe | ±Θ± 07:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


Hello Pathoschild! I don't have any opinion about the layout of the userboxes. Neighter the recategorization. But, when users come here and write {{babel|nl|en-4|fr-0|de-2}} I want them to get real userboxes, and not ugly messages about "The template is deprecated".

My original plan (well, not original, maybe my third plan) to achieve that, was to include all templates like User de-2 in the new system with babelold. And then, after a few months, when consensus is achieved about layout and colors for the new boxes, adapt all the old templates by simply removing some code in babelold.

But you change everything so fast. It makes people upset. I sense some lack of WikiLove. So now I don't know what to do. But if you could make a line like {{babel|en-5|nl-2|fr-0|de-3}} work, one way or the other, than I'd be happy. :) --Boivie 22:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought of that, but unfortunately it isn't possible (there's no way to convert "en-5" to "en|5" with wiki code). Instead, the ugly "this template is deprecated" template explains how to use the new template. This seems to be effective so far; new users are creating pages with the new templates instead. I'm also watching every edit to the user namespace, so I can fix any new page that uses deprecated templates.
I liked your {{babelold}} template, and I've improved it and put it to use. One possibility is to display that with a small message like {{tfd}} on en-Wikipedia instead. What do you think? —{admin} Pathoschild 22:49:16, 09 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record, we discussed this on IRC and came up with a new template design that we're both satisfied with. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:39:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[edit]

Thanks] for keeping my userpage up to date. ;) 05:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:39:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


Hoi, please leave my user as it is. I do not want you to change my layout at all. I have problems with the English language text in my babel templates. GerardM 22:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

nl-N Deze gebruiker zijn moedertaal is het Nederlands .
de-1 Dieser Benutzer hat grundlegende Deutschkenntnisse.
Hello GerardM. As you can see along the right, there is no English text in the language templates. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:38:43, 09 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, please don't restore deprecated templates. You can use {{babelold}}, which are the old-format babel templates, or simply substitute the old template code on your page. However, the individual language templates have been deprecated after community discussion. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:27:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You are fucking with my userpage. {admin} GerardM 22:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
You are disrupting templates and community consensus so your user page can be just the way you like it. You can do that without disruption by substituting the code; I've done that for you, so you don't have to do anything else to keep your user page just the way you like it. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:00:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I have not noticed that there is a consensus. {admin} GerardM 23:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
See Meta:Babel. There is general consensus for the new templates, and ongoing discussion about specifics like the colour scheme. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:09:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
There has been stiff opposition to several aspects of it. There is still no consensus on the levels that are employed. This whole change is proposed and at the same time implemented. This seems to be a pattern. I am interested in your definition of consensus.. It seems you use the Thai meaning of the word. GerardM 23:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The levels that are employed are those that have always been employed. Custom levels (0.5, 2.5, 4, 5, 6, 7, et cetera) were not added to the template simply because they were not the standard levels used. If there is a consensus to add them, this can easily be done. This is not an objection to the template itself, it is a demand that we conform both systems to your liking. If the levels are as useful as you say, I'm sure you will easily obtain consensus to add them on Meta:Babel.
The system is no longer proposed. It was proposed two weeks ago, and it is now being implemented. The current discussion is not about whether the system should be implemented, but about tweaking it to everyone's content. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:34:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi. I would like to thank you for the removal of the English text from the new babel templates. The templates are much better now. Best wishes. --Meno25 15:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Level Zero[edit]

ksh-0 Dä Medmaacher hee kallt en Ripoarisch Shprooch.

This says "This user speaks a Ripuarian language" which is likely not intended. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The new templates don't support level 0 (except English), because that was not a standard level. That might change in the future, based on discussion. In the meantime, pages using level 0 should appear in Category:Incorrect user language level, so we can find and correct them. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:35:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for adding to a close discussion. Since I see that - contary to other levels - this one seems not to automatically generate an error message (yet), I am uncertain wether or not, and if so, where, a change is needed to make it happen. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
A level zero has since been added. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:48:54, 05 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:User language/documentation still doesn't have level 0, should I still translate a 0 level per [1]?}} -- Jeandré, 2008-04-05t17:52z

Thanks for noticing that; I updated the table. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:48:54, 05 April 2008 (UTC)

Formatting nds 1[edit]

nds-1 Disse gebruker praot Nedersaksisch op beteund nivo.
Disse Bruker kann en beten Plattdüütsch snacken.

Here we have a bit strange line heights. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed; this was due to a line break in the code.
nds-1 Disse gebruker praot Nedersaksisch op beteund nivo.
Disse Bruker kann en beten Plattdüütsch snacken.
{admin} Pathoschild 23:43:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

nds variants[edit]

Wouldn't it be desiable, to make a distinction between the Low German nds varieties written according to some sort of German spelling, and the ones written following newer Dutch spelling? We have two localizations nds, and nds-NL, in Mediawiki, and there are two distinct Wikipedias. Overall, according to User:SabineCretella, scholars mention some 4000 distinct varieties of Nedersaksisch, Low German, and East Low German, which almost all are collectively subsummed under the code nds, despite the fact of partially very limited mutual understandability.

My point is not this academic stuff, however, but the practical issue that at least among the German nds editors, there are likely very many not capable to get along with the nds-NL spelling, even if they do understand quite something of the spoken Nedersaksisch varieties of the Netherlands. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

That's possible; for example, see Category:User de-arz under Category:User de. There is no problem if the varieties have ISO 639 codes, but there are some practical problems you need to consider when inventing a new code for the template. The new code needs to be at least four characters to prevent conflict with language code standards, and it needs to be obvious enough that other users can find it and won't invent redundant codes for the same variety. Ideally, varieties mutually intelligible with generic nds should not have their own categories, since the goal of the language templates is practical (communicating or finding translators) rather than cultural (announcing affiliation with a particular variety). —{admin} Pathoschild 23:54:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Language subcommittee[edit]


Hi, Pathoschild. How does your tool count the number of edits? I'm sure I have more than 2 edits on that "prefix". Does it somehow use cached data? Regards, Malafaya 17:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Malafaya. The analysis script accesses the revision table of the toolserver database for edit statistics. This database is not the same database the edits are saved into; it "replicates" (copies) that database. This means that it is affected by replication lag, or a delay between the actual edit and when it is copied. This is usually less than a few seconds, but recent technical problems have caused it to skyrocket to two weeks. Since you only had two edits two weeks ago, that's all the script can see. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:06:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that would explain it. When you say two weeks behind, do you mean the revision DB is catching up but currently it's still 2 weeks behind the originals? Malafaya 17:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
It's increasingly out of date, but hopefully it will catch up soon. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:43:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Curiously, I was looking for your reply in Recent Changes and couldn't find it. I just realized you are marked as bot :). Thanks. Malafaya 17:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me to just jump in :-) There is a tool that counts bot edits (and deleted edits) in all replicated wikis at - of course suffering from same replication lags. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Kölsch language code conflict[edit]

Hi Pathoschild, there is a difference between ISO 639 meaning, and current use of language code ksh in the wmf projects.

ISO 639-2 does not define ksh although per its definition, it should, request(s) are pending and being postponed since 2005. ISO 639-3 defines ksh as denotating the specific language Kölsch, which IS0 639-2 currently lists under gem (other Germanic languages)

Kölsch is one language of a group called Ripuarian, or francique ripuaire, or in older German literature, sometimes (Nothern) Central Franconian (Mittelfränkisch). Kölsch is both a most prominent Ripuarian language, and the most spoken single one, accounting for 1/5 to 1/4 of all Ripuarian speakers. There are several dozen, or more than 100, clearly distinct Ripuarian languages. There is no collective ISO code for Ripuarian languages, as opposed to neighboring pfl , li / lim , wep , nds , which all are collective codes for several language varieties.

Wmf projects use ksh (for the time being) as a collective code for all Ripuarian varieties. This was a debated ad-hoc decision made during the process of the creation of the Wikipedia of Ripuarian languages. Kölsch speakers kind of 'invited' the other Ripuarians :-) A decision had to be made since ISO (the library of congress) was procrastinating the code assignment.

Babel templates in various wikis, including Omegawiki vary between Kölsch, and some, usually foggy, wordings trying to include related languages, and expressedly Ripuarian.

My opinion, now, is to follow ISO 639 rather than twisting its meaning. How to deal with the current lack of an ISO code for the collection of Ripuarian languages, or as a minority of linguists likely see it, a Ripuarian macrolanguage? (1) bug ISO to assign a code, and (2) meanwhile use a code of the q?? series assigned for private/local use, or use a gem-??? code for Ripuarian in the Babel system, and almost everywhere else. Only do not alter the subdomain and interwiki code for the Ripuarian Wikipedia, unless ISO has assigned a code. Thereafter, switch to that kode, and keep ksh as a redirect both for interwiki links and the subdomain, because ksh is a subset of "all Ripuarian".

We could, or possibly should, ask for advice from the language subcommitee for this subject matter. I believe them to approximately share my view.

Greetings. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for the delayed response; I somehow didn't notice your comment earlier. There are two distinct systems under discussion here.
The first is subdomain naming, which is subject to language subcommittee decision. The subcommittee's policy is to use a strictly applicable ISO 639 code, so that ksh subdomains would normally be reserved for Kölsch (and not allowed for generic Ripuarian wikis). However, future Ripuarian wikis might be approved with the ksh subdomain to maintain consistency with the existing projects, because the subcommittee does not have jurisdiction over existing wikis. I'm not entirely sure which course of action would be followed (approving only Kölsch or allowing all Ripuarian under ksh), because there is no equivalent precedent. If a code were assigned for Ripuarian languages, the subcommittee would likely recommend renaming the subdomains.
The second is the babel template system (and the user language system on MetaWiki), which is not subject to subcommittee decision. The current guidelines for the user language system on MetaWiki discourage misuse of ISO 639 codes, and recommend either a subtag language code (like {{user language|gem-rip|N}}) or the full name (like {{user language|ripuarian|N}}). As far as I know, there are no relevant guidelines for the babel template system on other wikis.
I agree that asking the ISO 639-3 registration authority for a code covering Ripuarian languages is the best solution. The organization managing ISO 639-3 is different from the one that managed ISO 639-2, so you may have a more positive response to your request. For information on requesting a code, see ISO 639-3 Change Management. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:27:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Gan wikipedia creation date?[edit]

Hi Pathoschild,

I have left a question here.

According to your predictions, how much longer will it take before Gan Wikipedia is created?

According to this test-analysis, there are already at least three Gan native speakers (excluding me, Node ue, and Malhonen) who have contributed over four hundred articles on the incubator project since its inception at 14 June 2007. --Jose77 22:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I responded on Talk:Language subcommittee. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:34:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian Wikinews creation date?[edit]

Hello! When will the Hungarian Wikinews start? Buda 10:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Now that the request has been approved by the language subcommittee, the developers need to create the wiki. They are currently creating wikis in batches to minimize workload, so they will wait until a few more wikis are approved before creating it. We are forwarding several new approvals to the board this week, so hopefully it will be created within a week or two. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:18:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

re: Archival permission[edit]

Hello Anthere,

I am the archivist for the language subcommittee. You sent a message to the language subcommittee on December 29th 2007 about the Saterfriesisch Wikipedia (you suggested using your Wikimedia address for future messages). Discussion with the subcommittee is regularly copied to a public archive for transparency. Since you have not agreed to archival, your messages are currently replaced with the message "<this user has not agreed to public archival>".

Do you agree to the public archival of all your emails? Even if you do agree, you can mark any email or comment as private and the message will be replaced by an appropriate note to that effect. The archives can be edited at any time to remove a message you forgot to mark as private. (The email address will be removed before public archival.)

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:57:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

answered on Pathoschild talk page. Anthere
Err, yes, you have my permission to publicly archive my emails :-) Anthere 23:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. You can see your message in the archived discussion. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:05:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Extremaduran & Sakha[edit]

Hi.... i need an answer to these questions, because.... i really can't believe it... i've seen Wikipedia Erzya has been approved.... What about extremaduran? what are we waiting for? how long?... i though the board of trustees would approve a bach... please, answer me as soon as possible. Thank you! Better 20:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Extremaduran is part of the same batch as Wikipedia Erzya. A subcommittee member accidentally marked it as approved early, but they'll be created at the same time. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:49:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
a! uff... i almost have a heart attack... sorry for being so impatient.... and thank you for answering me so quick! Better 20:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Is Sakha Wp going to be the part of the same batch?--Yaroslav Blanter 20:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Bèrto 'd Sèra is contacting a third party to verify the test project content; if at all possible, I will try to include it in this batch. If you know a person (such as a verifiably accredited professor) we can contact, that would help. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:16:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Sakha is a Turcic language written in Cyrillic alphabet. Any professor in Turcic languages or just anyone speaking Turkish with Russian/Bulgarian/Serbian background must be able to verify it. --Yaroslav Blanter 21:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
This discussion was continued at Talk:Language subcommittee#Sakha Wikipedia creation. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:18:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource Limburgish test project activity[edit]

When could you consider the test to be successfull? How many time from now? (if the activity is kept) --OosWesThoesBes 06:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

At least one or two more months of activity. One difficulty is that activity suddenly started this month, so we can't look back over several months of activity as we can with most requests. Just keep at it; you're almost there. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 07:00:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Ow!! That's nothing. I think Hönkelberg gave us some motivation to make a real start :) (100 pages in one day is quite some motivation) --OosWesThoesBes 07:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Extremaduran final localization[edit]

Wooo i've seen the proyect has been finally approved, thank you!! ^^ I'm not sure what you mean with the final localization.... the name we use to call the proyect is "Güiquipeya" (that's the way it's pronounced in extremaduran)... that's what you mean?. Greetings! Better 08:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:22:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


But, that language is near a die out. That is a natural language has spoken in Jakarta only Azmi1995 06:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you explain the context of your comment? I don't understand why you are telling me. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:59:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Hungarian final localization[edit]

Thanks a lot.--Tompos Roland 08:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:59:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Hungarian[edit]

Please provide the translation for "Wikinews" (project name) and "Wikinews" (project namespace) so that we can create the wiki. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:02:29, 06 March 2008 (UTC) (kezd?lap). Vagy nem erre gondol, hogy ezt kéne neki megadni? --Tompos Roland 08:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
"Wikinews" : "Wikihírek" : "Wikihirek"--Tompos Roland 08:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. Please confirm that the following is correct:
Variable Translation Explanation
$wgSiteName Wikihírek Site name; appears in the title bar, in the interface, and can be shown in articles using "{{SITENAME}}".
$wgMetaNamespace Wikihírek Project namespace; appears in URLs and links to the namespace about the wiki.
$wgMetaNamespaceTalk Wikihírek vita Talk namespace for the project namespace.
{admin} Pathoschild 19:02:19, 08 March 2008 (UTC)
This means it will work on this link: ? If yes, I confirm the information. --Tompos Roland 07:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 09:05:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Me too.--Tompos Roland 09:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
It is possible to publish the wikinews in 2008, or itt will start at 2009?--Steady 09:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 :)) --Numero 20:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

When will move the incubator wikinews to ?--Tompos Roland 06:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

When will you start the hungarian wikinews??!--Numero 20:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pathoschild! The hungarian Portal:Current events started, we need the wikinews too.--MahadmaG 14:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Now that the wiki has been approved, it can be created at any time by Wikimedia system administrators. Any further comments should be placed on the page for request 13264. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:26:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Langcom messages unanswered[edit]

Hi! why are not the messages on Talk:Language subcommittee answered. M.M.S. 14:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Please be patient. We'll answer all questions and requests, but there will be some delays when we do not have much free time to dedicate to the subcommittee. We're not paid for it, unfortunately. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 15:45:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Jut localization[edit]

How many lokalisåsje has to been done? Ælsån 15:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see Language subcommittee/Status/wt/jut for status and information on that request. There are currently 61 messages left to translation. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:43:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
That is not much. They will probably be translated this month. We hope we can catch up for the April's approval batch. If the lokalisåsje is done would it be possible then? It has been finished now. Ælsån 15:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
If you can sustain the test project activity over April, you will be ready for approval in early May. (We require at least two months of activity meeting the requirements.) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:10:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Localization requirements for multiple requests[edit]

Hoi, when a new language is requested with multiple projects, it is only one project that will have an easy time re localisation. Any subsequent project needs full localisation. Wikipedia is the project of choise to start of with I would say. GerardM 22:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, although I don't think any particular project is best suited for a first wiki. What is the context of your message? —{admin} Pathoschild 19:19:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Continue editing Gan Wikipedia test project after approval?[edit]

Bonjour Pathoschild! Merci pour la proposition approuvée de gan wiki et je voudrais me renseigner qlq chose. Puisque gan wiki possède déjà plus d'un millier d'articles, à ton avis, est-ce qu'il faut continuer encore à rédiger les pages? Parceque je suppose qu'il sera un gros boulot d'enlever tous les wp/gans dans tous les articles après la fondation officielle.--Symane 13:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Bonjour Symane. Ce n'est pas un problème, puisque le transfert est automatisé. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:59:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Merci pour ta réponse! Alors on continue à attendre la fondation ultime. En plus, j'ai une petite question. Peut-on ajouter une liste des sinogrammes comme Wikipédia cantonais qui est collée au dessous de la fenêtre d'édition. J'ai demandé Siebrand et il dit qu'il faut attendre la fondation du Test project. Donc s'il est possible, tu peut exécuter la fondation de Gan wiki en l'ajoutant? Et je peux te fournir la liste de sinogrammes tout de suite. Je te remercie. Cordialement!--Symane 12:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Oui, c'est possible. Ce n'est pas nous qui créerons le wiki, mais dis moi quand c'est fait et je vous aiderai. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:35:24, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

re: Developers needed for new wiki creation[edit]

Hello, I have installed MediaWiki on several sites. And was wondering what needs to be done and how I could go about helping? --Emesee 05:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Emesee. I assume you're referring to my request for developers to create Wikimedia wikis. Unfortunately, creating a new Wikimedia wiki is more complex than a typical MediaWiki installation. This is because the Wikimedia Foundation uses a wiki family: all the wikis use the same source code, database, and settings. Furthermore, only Wikimedia's system administrators can create new wikis, and these are selected very carefully from experienced MediaWiki developers.
To help create new wikis, you'd need to first contribute to MediaWiki development for a long while. If you have experience with PHP and SQL, you're certainly welcome to do so; we have a dire shortage of developers as well. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:16:30, 07 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I was referring to your message on the list. My skills are probably not that sophisticated at the present moment, unfortunately. :/ --Emesee 07:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Gan wikipedia[edit]

hi, how about the gan wikipedia. please help us quick the progress. we have waited for that so long. thank you!--Vipuser 13:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Another issue is the interface of gan wikipedia, we need a character automatic change like chinese wikipedia, because we also use chinese characters. please notice this. Thank you!--Vipuser 13:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Vipuser. Once a wiki is approved, the language subcommittee can't do much to help you. We're now waiting for the system administrators to create the wikis. It seems they will not create new wikis for a few weeks due to upcoming licensing changes. Unfortunately, there's little we can do to make it be created faster.
With regards to script conversion, try posting a message on the wikitech mailing list, where there may be users experienced with the Chinese conversion script. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:30:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

re: about Requests for new languages[edit]

Bonjour Crochet.david. Vous avez sectionné la page "Requests for new languages" par projet, mais ce n'est pas nécessaire. Les tables peuvent être triée en cliquant sur l'icône à coté du titre de la colonne. En particulier, triant la première colonne vous donnent une liste en ordre de projet.

De plus, le changement rend impossible le triage par statut et de date de changement, ce qui est très important pour la maintenance du procès. En plus, les instructions dans divers pages tel que "Language subcommittee/Handbook (requesters)" ne reflets pas le changement.

J'ai défait vos changements, mais puisque ils sont sauvegardées dans l'histoire de la page, ce serait facile de les restauré si vous trouvé un consensus pour ces changements. Cependant, merci de votre intérêt dans l'amélioration du processus. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 22:39:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Having all the stuff ordered means that it is much easier to process. I find this as relevant as the messages stated .. Thanks, GerardM 05:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Within the lists you can sort. So there is actually less of a point to this complaint. GerardM 05:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Having a combined table that can be sorted by any field is useful. For example, you can click the sort icon next to the headings to sort by date, status, or project. Splitting the tables makes it impossible to sort effectively, but adds nothing because the combined table can already be sorted by project. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:36:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
J'ai préféré défaire les modifications que j'ai apporté puisque le premier point donné par Pathoschild est pertinent sur le fait que le tableau peut être entièrement trier et que cela facilite le travail de maintenance.
Je préfère revenir au point d'origine, pour pouvoir mettre en place cette discussion. Et je comprend mieux pourquoi il est préférable d'utiliser un seul tableau plutot que plusieurs pour faciliter le travail de chacun. Merci et désolé d'avoir créer votre conflit.Crochet.david 07:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I prefer return to the origin of the table. I make modification without discussion. I'm sorry for this conflit. I amends the tables in order to simply separate the various projects but I did not know that it could change to a greater extent the monitoring work. As has been said since the columns can be sorted out by themselves, therefore, it does nothing to make table by various projects. So I came back to the original presentation. Thanks for your messages and sorry to have created a conflict. Crochet.david 08:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you please discuss things first before you revert again? You have my skype and you know how to find me on IRC.. GerardM 09:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to discuss; see Talk:Language subcommittee. You should stop reverting, since you're introducing the changes without consensus. —{admin} Pathoschild 09:25:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

status of karakalpak wikipedia[edit]

Hi Pathoschild! Sorry if I'm annoying you. I wanted know current state of Karakalpak Wikipedia. In status page all requirements are crossed, but in request page it is still "This language has been verified as eligible". When the Language comittee is going to review it? And I heard that there are some delay with moving from incubator to wikipedia sites because of new license launch. Thanks, Atabek 08:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Atabek. It's currently under review, and should be approved before the new license launch if all goes well. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:44:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


User elections on swwiki[edit]

Hi Patho, on sw-wiki we have done an election at For Bureaucrat the vote was 7/0 für user:Oliver Stegen.

For an additional admin (we call it mkabidhi - the lower grade, right?) there was vote of 6/0 for User:Muddyb_Blast_Producer.

Can you kindly set them up? sw user:Kipala -- 23:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kipala. Please leave a message on Requests for permissions, and a steward will do it soon. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 23:25:39, 09 February 2008 (UTC)

Biyóngá ya Wikipedia Lingála[edit]

ln:Wikipedia:Bot > Biyóngá > 1.4 / 1.5

Natondi yo! --ln:User:Bombo

I've flagged all three bots on the page. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:15:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Bots on yi:[edit]

There are numerous active bots here, but no bureaucrat to assign bot status. Please see Bots/Requests for approval and assign bot flags. Many thanks. --???????? 16:34, 18 ??????? 2008 (UTC)

Please see my message at yi:User talk:Pathoschild to assign bot status to bots on Yiddish WP. Many thanks. --Redaktor 16:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I've proposed the standard bot policy at ??????????:????/????? ??? ?????#Bot policy. This will allow stewards to grant bot flags without the need for local bureaucrats. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:52:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks. Will get in touch again after local discussion. --Redaktor 17:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for adminship on yi:[edit]

The sole active sysop on the Yiddish WP is yi:User:????, who is about to go on a 3-month wikibreak. He has asked yi:User talk:????????#? ???? that yi:User:???????? (my alias on that WP) be made a sysop there. Can this be done? --Redaktor 23:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Please hold a local election, then place a request on Steward requests/Permissions. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:06:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Sysops for ext wikipedia[edit]

Hi Pathoschild! Sometime ago, i asked for sysops for the new wikipedia in extremaduran... the votations have been closed and two sysops have been approved by the extremaduran community, but i don't know the person i have to contact... could you help me?

On the other hand... would you know how much time is necesary to move the test? The proyect was approved a month ago and i don't if it's normal... Greetings! Better 09:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Better. Once the wiki is created, you can ask that they be sysop'd on Steward requests/Permissions.
I don't know when it will be created; that depends on the Wikimedia system administrators. It seems they will not create new wikis for a few weeks due to upcoming licensing changes. Unfortunately, there's little we can do to make it be created faster. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:00:14, 05 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, we will continue waiting TT.TT Thank you! Better 08:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for solving gawiktionary issues[edit]


Hi Pathoschild. Thank you so much for stepping in and fixing our mediawiki.js problem yesterday. I'm a rank amateur with that stuff. Thanks again! - Alison ? 16:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Advice on formats[edit]

Hi Patho, I hope you have an advice for sw-wiki. Out of a sudden our templates have lost format. I am not sure if it is all but quite a number. See They are no longer on the left side and the box lines are lost. I assume some kind of general software change otherwise I cannot imagine what the problem is. Who can we ask? sw:user:kipala -- 11:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Malangali has deleted MediaWiki:Common.css, which contains the custom styles for the Swahili Wikipedia. This is not localized on Betawiki; restoring it should fix your templates' alignment. You might also want to restore MediaWiki:Monobook.js, if it contained any JavaScript. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:53:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
We will be thanksfull if you'll help us to restore that deleted items..--Muddyb Blast Producer 17:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Kipala, Malangali, or any other local sysop can restore them using Special:Undelete (links: restore Common.css, restore Monobook.js). —{admin} Pathoschild 18:17:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the hint, I restored Common.css and the templates are back! -- 18:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:45:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

User language[edit]

Merci beaucoup pour les changement ou modèles, Pathoschild. Je ne voudrais pas créer "pointless drama" ni vous donner plus travail, seulement "laisser" mon protestation. Enfin, merci aussi pour mettre les modèles sur ma page d'utilisateur. Je n'ai rien contre les couleurs. ;) - Jorge Morais 18:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Vous êtes le bienvenu. Si vous avez des suggestions pour améliorer le modèle, ils serait apprécier. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:24:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Working tools[edit]

Hello, Pathoschild. There's something I don't understand it, regarding box button for making links, redirect and other things which are needed for writting box. In af:wiki, there's so many button for work. But in sw:wiki, there's few button for working, as you can see through this image:

[[Image:Edit box foe example.JPG|thumb|centre|350px|This image come from Afrikaans Wikipedia..]]

In Swahili Wikipedia, there is only eleven button. In Afrikaans Wikipedia, there is twenty one button. How can we add some button in our sw:wiki?--Muddyb Blast Producer 15:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit buttons can be added using JavaScript. For example, look for "Extra toolbar options" in af:MediaWiki:Common.js. To add buttons, add the following code to sw:MediaWiki:Common.js:

if (mwCustomEditButtons) {
	mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = {
		'imageFile': '',
		'speedTip': 'Aanstuur',
		'tagOpen': '#REDIRECT [[',
		'tagClose': ']]',
		'sampleText': 'Bladsynaam hier'

You can copy and paste the indented "mwCustomEditButtons ... };" inside the "if...}" block as many times as you want to add buttons. Change the parameters to what you want:

  • 'imageFile' is the URL to the image for the button.
  • 'speedTip' is the little text that appears over the button when you hold your cursor over it (hover over this text for an example).
  • 'tagOpen' is the code that appears before the text. For example, "[[" in a link.
  • 'tagClose' is the code that appears after the text. For example, "]]" in a link.
  • 'sampleText' is example text that appears between 'tagOpen' and 'tagClose'. For example, this might be "Page title here" in a link, or some example rows in a table.

{admin} Pathoschild 18:57:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I quite understood it, but I yet to be an admin. So how can I add this?--Muddyb Blast Producer 11:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
You can contact one of the local administrators; Kipala and Malangali both seem active. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:30:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I tried to do so, but I didn't succeded (no reaction). Just try to check it if I made it clear or not..--Muddyb Blast Producer 09:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Question: There's any problem if I copy those jv code from English Wikipedia? See this-,--Muddyb Blast Producer 10:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Mission has completed by User:Nick1915. Now I'm happy, but thank you for your help!--Muddyb Blast Producer 14:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Spam blacklist - request[edit]

Hi, please can you take a look at my request at Talk:Spam blacklist. Ta, --Whitsun 19:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello. An administrator maintaining that page should take care of it soon. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:31:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:User language[edit]

Hey Pathos. I don't have any strong feelings on the matter, but is their any advantage to using the User language template over the babel template? Just wondering the reason for the switch ;). Mønobi 03:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a partial list of advantages at Template talk:User language#Comparison with babel templates. The biggest advantage is that there is only 1 template (with localizations and 1 subtemplate), instead of hundreds of templates. This makes it much easier to standardize, maintain, or add features to. It's also much easier to implement one template on wikis without babel boxes instead of 3-7 per language. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:38:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There is one big disadvantaqe; the standardisation is impossible because this system insist on less levels then used elsewhere. By deleting many templates existing functionality is scrapped and this is called progress. GerardM 11:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello again GerardM. All levels that were standard on Meta were included. If you think more should be added, feel free to propose this at Meta:Babel. That is another big advantage; it's easy to implement functionality. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:51:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I have always indicated this. Arguments why have been ignored so what is the point proposing it ? GerardM 15:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
We have both argued about it on the talk page and failed to agree; that is not a community proposal. If you want to propose it, you must do it on Meta:Babel where the general community can comment. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:16:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Help with infobox styles[edit]

Yesterday, I asked Mr.Spacebirdy politely, and see that if he can solve the problem in my wikipedia out. My Wikipedia is Laos (lo). This problem connected with the JavaScript and administrator priveleges. Could you please see lo:Template:Navbox generic and lo:MediaWiki:Common.js ? I've been fixing this for 2 weeks but I can't do it. The "hide" and "show" button doesn't exist on the template eithere the NavFrame one or the Navbox one although I asked our admin to put the scripts from English Wikipedia to let it work. Mr.Spacebirdy can't fixied that and my admin know 5% about JavaScript, myself know 40% about JavaScript. So, I asked you again, could you fix that problem for me please. Best Regards, Passawuth 02:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. You can get help by contacting the script's maintainer on the English Wikipedia or by asking at w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:21:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


Do you speak Japanese? --OosWesThoesBes 18:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

No. My language abilities are listed at the top of this page. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:32:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikicode vs HTML tables[edit]

Hi. Why did you convert wikicode tables to HTML tables? Huji 08:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wiki table syntax cannot be used in template parameters, so that a discussion with wiki table syntax cannot be neatly encapsulated in the {{closed}} template. I decided to substitute the table syntax (which would have no visible effect), instead of using the template without encapsulation or substituting the template (both of which would lead to inconsistent format on the archive page). —{admin} Pathoschild 15:53:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Hello, you blocked this address as an open proxy; we have blocked it on HE WP due to the same reason.

I was told today that this IP belongs to a public library, hence the amount of vandalism. Can you check again whether this is in fact an open proxy? If it is, we'll keep it blocked. If not, we may use shorter blocks when observing vandalism.

Regards, Odedee 02:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC) (
Not shown: 1693 closed ports
22/tcp   open     ssh
80/tcp   open     http
3128/tcp filtered squid-http
8081/tcp open     blackice-icecap

80/tcp open  http-proxy Squid webproxy 2.5.STABLE7
The scan results show that port 80 is open and used by a squid service. A misconfiguration or software vulnerability may leave it open to attack, but it's not necessarily an open proxy as-such. Port 8081 might be a firewall, or it might be a trojan or other vulnerability.
It might be open; it has been a long time since I did any open proxy scanning, so I don't remember the specifics on how to be more conclusive. Try posting a message on w:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject on open proxies with the above data, and someone there will be able to answer more definitively. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:31:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks much, I'll do that. Odedee 19:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for Accessing #wikimedia-admin Channel[edit]

Hi, I am an Administrator in Tamil Wikipedia w:ta:User:Vinodh.vinodh. Please provide me access to this IRC Channel. Thank you Vinodh.vinodh 18:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please contact me on IRC (Pathoschild), or tell me your IRC user name. Thanks. —Pathoschild 21:36:54, 20 மார்ச் 2008 (UTC)
My IRC username is vinodhrajan. Thank You Vinodh.vinodh 05:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Just for confirmation, could you respond on w:ta:User talk:Vinodh.vinodh? —{admin} Pathoschild 06:26:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok. I never knew joinig an Admin IRC Channel requires this much confirmation :-)) వినోద్  வினோத் 07:49, 21 மார்ச் 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. We only need to confirm that your IRC username is owned by the same person as your administrator account. I'll add you next time I see you online. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 15:55:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
So you will available in which channel ? So that I can come online in that channel. Sorry Dude, If I am buggin' u too much వినోద్  வினோத் 16:04, 25 மார்ச் 2008 (UTC)
No problem. :) You can find me in #wikimedia for most of the day; just poke "Pathoschild", and I'll add you. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:22:43, 01 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

...very much for your time. Without you I would have needed longer. Hope something nice will come true for you for this, ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 22:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, even if we didn't get it working in the end. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:09:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

re: User language box translation[edit]


Hello Willtron. Thank you very much for translating {{user language}}. The template has recently been changed to add two new levels, 0 and 4 (see detailed descriptions). Please update Template:User language/an:

  • 0: this user cannot read or write Aragonés.
  • 4: this user can contribute at a near-native level in Aragonés. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:46:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Done ;-) --Willtron 22:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That was quick. Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 22:37:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


Polish on board, too :) Pundit 00:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:41:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Asturian also Yes check.svg Done--Mikel 02:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:37:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

ht/Haitian Creole[edit]

Hi, levels 0 and 4; done; :-) cordially --Masterches 07:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 07:53:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Hello, levels 0 and 4 updated; :-) Thanks. Wikimistusik 08:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you too. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 15:49:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

de-arz/Erzgebirgisch, sxu/Sumerian, sux/Upper Saxon[edit]

de-arz, sxu, sux done. --Thogo (talk) 09:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:49:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I had translated the user box for ml on 11th Feb. Could you please clarify if that isn't sufficient? --Jacob 08:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, an update is needed. I've added levels 0 and 4 to Template:User language/ml; could you translate my additions into Malayalam? —{admin} Pathoschild 15:49:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Done. --Jacob 16:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 16:15:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


I have updated the Catalan translation and also the Spanish one, as nobody had done it. Maybe the code is not very clean but it will probably work. --SMP (talk page) 15:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I made a slight change to the code to make it more readable. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:14:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi, levels 0 and 4 adds to template. :-) β16 - (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 16:54:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


I don´t understad you becouse I don´t understad very well English. Can you say now in Spanish please? Thanks!----Bengoa (My user talk) 12:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Se trata de actualizar Template:User language/eu para añadir los niveles 0 y 4 que quieren decir lo siguiente:
  • 0: Este usuario no sabe hablar ni escribir en (Euskara)
  • 4: Este usuario puede contribuir con un nivel casi nativo de (Euskara)
Aunque de hecho, no hace falta que sea una traducción literal palabra por palabra, simplemente ha de decir lo mismo. --SMP (talk page) 16:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


4 translated, 0 question. -- Jeandré, 2008-04-05t18:03z

0 and 4 done. -- Jeandré, 2008-04-07t17:56z
0 put into doc, 0 translated, note that af is done. -- Jeandré, 2008-04-07t18:01z
Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 18:05:50, 07 April 2008 (UTC)



Hi Pathoschild! I'd like to ask you about the correct procedure for usurpation of accounts that are not active. As I see on Steward requests/Usurpation, stewards merge accounts with no edits at all. I've made requests to local buraucrats on en, de and zh wikis, and the German buraucrat said that only stewards can do it. Accounts in question are not active for quite a long period of time: en (3 edits, the last one on January 3, 2006), de (no edits at all), zh (3 edits on talk pages in 2005). Please advise on how to procede to transfer these usernames to my SUL-account. Thank you in advance. --Volkov 08:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I merged the de-Wikipedia account. The local bureaucrats can rename the en-Wikipedia and zh-Wikipedia accounts, and the names will be automatically merged into your account as soon as they are no longer used. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:05:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! --Volkov 08:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:08:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

My name[edit]

Hello Pathoschild,
you informed me that my request was archived on my user page. I got to know on my German User talk that there are technical difficulties that prevent me from receiving the user name "My name" on the Turkish Wikipedia. Do you know what to do in this case? Is it maybe possible now to request a SUL? --my name 10:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The Problem is solved. --my name 10:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Thank you, Pathos.

However, why when I try to log in to mw:User:Avraham with my global password do I get an error? -- Avi 12:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I tried another one of the accounts and still received an error message; what am I doing incorrectly? Thank you. -- Avi 15:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Avi. "Avraham" on was listed as unattached, along with eswiki, frwiki, and ptwiki (there should be a list at the bottom of Special:MergeAccount). Those accounts were not unified into your global account because neither the password nor a confirmed email address matched.
I've merged the unused, eswiki, and ptwiki accounts into your global account. The frwiki account has edits, so I did not merge it; if it does not belong to you, you can ask a frwiki bureaucrat to rename the account, and you will automatically inherit "Avraham" once it is free. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:24:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


thanks for the awrning.. Jon had already told me ^^ Waldir 02:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Don Alessandro[edit]

Hello Don Alessandro. Your request for user name usurpation has been archived (see discussion). —{admin} Pathoschild 00:00:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

You have archived all requests for Usurpation, stating that all are already done. But I have not seen any comment to my request. Is my problem unsolvable? Don Alessandro 08:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a comment when I archived explaining how to solve your problem; see Steward requests/Usurpation/2008#crh:User:Alessandro. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:56:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Small wikis[edit]

Pathoschild, do you know what tool is run on the toolserver that checks to see where all usernames are on what wikis?? Thanks, AP aka --Kelsington 18:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kelsington. There are several (if you mean looking up a single name on all wikis), the most useful of which are Huji's "FindMe", Luxo's "Global user contributions", and Purodha's "Wikis with given User Name". —{admin} Pathoschild 20:29:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


I created this wiki called Pop-Cult Guides that I host myself. It's policies are kind of similar to wikipedia, only that it focuses on the popular culture trivia and details of human production in general. Can it be proposed for the interwiki? How can I difuse its existence? I need editors badly.

-Pop-cult WikiSysop-- 05:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello. You can request an interwiki prefix at Talk:Interwiki map#Proposed additions. There are numerous guides to promoting your wiki; try a Google search for "How to promote a wiki". One comprehensive guide I found is "A Tale of Two Wikis: Techniques for building, managing and promoting collaborative communities". —{admin} Pathoschild 23:15:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hum - a plea![edit]

Hi Pathoschild - a plea for help!

The spam log was playing up having got to over 150K (see here) so I thought splitting it was best. However.... the links to the links to the original requests are now broken here. I can see what is wrong - so far I have not worked out how to put it right :) Pointers more than welcome - regards --Herby talk thyme 16:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Kylu fixed the links. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 19:52:29, 05 April 2008 (UTC)

Check the discussion you refer to[edit]

Hoi, eat your own dogfood. GerardM 05:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I had discussed PRIOR to my revert.. Where is your discussion.. ?
That is not how discussion works; you do not simply say "I disagree" and revert before reaching an agreement. My discussion is on user talk:Crochet.david. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:42:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Woof.--Shanel 07:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


Hiii. :O--Shanel 11:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi~. ♥ —{admin} Pathoschild 04:34:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


Nominations for deletion[edit]

Original Soviet flag.png[edit]

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Original Soviet flag.png. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Jusjih 16:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me. Licensing information was originally provided, but removed by an anonymous user because this flag design appears to have been superseded. As the image description page states, I simply uploaded it at the request of an anonymous user. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:09:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Template:Flagimage is now considered obsolete. How about uploading a version with the correct coat of arms? Better if it can be uploaded to Commons. Yesterday and today I have gone through at least hundreds of untagged images here, but I will go to Wikisource to tag more articles as well.--Jusjih 20:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I did not make the original image, I only uploaded it at the request of an unregistered user (unregistered users cannot upload). —{admin} Pathoschild 21:34:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


I have nominated Template:S/talk-header (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. -- lucasbfr talk 10:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Meta historical project[edit]

A tag has been placed on Template:Meta historical project requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:47:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Must subst[edit]

A tag has been placed on Template:Must subst requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

MUCC (Jrock band).jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading or contributing to :Image:MUCC (Jrock band).jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Ricky81682 (talk) 09:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The fair use license was added by another user after upload. —{admin} Pathoschild 14:51:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


A tag has been placed on Template:Unpoke requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:36:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki workaround documentation[edit]

Hi, the page User:Pathoschild/Template:MediaWiki workaround documentation seems to be used on quite a few "MediaWiki talk:" pages and, looking at the name, was presumably created in your user space for testing purposes and intended to be moved into template space at some point. I can't move pages myself, so could you possibly move it to Template:MediaWiki workaround documentation? Thanks – 09:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 11:46:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for verifying an open proxy[edit]

Hi, I found your username on this list, and I would like to ask you to verify if the IP address is an open proxy. As far as I'm aware, this is the proxy used by computers on the University of Technology, Sydney network, and I strongly doubt that it is an open proxy. Furthermore, the campus doesn't have any public computer terminals, so if it in fact is not open, anyone editing from this address is affiliated with the university. Thank you in advance, it's getting quite annoying to do a secure login every time I want to correct a mistake or rvv. --Aram??????? 16:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

If this hasn't been addressed yet, please add a request on Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. Make sure to specify the user name or IP address that appears in the error message when you try to edit; this IP address isn't directly blocked, so you're probably affected by a range block (like "") or an autoblock. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:56:38, 08 March 2008 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation/Archives/2005/01 appears blank, but the last edit in the history seems to say it should not be blank. You've edited that page. Is this something that needs to be fixed? -- Jreferee T/C 17:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't appear blank to me. Maybe your browser cached it incorrectly, or there was a brief server glitch; does it still happen? —{admin} Pathoschild 05:34:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Præmonitus præmunitus[edit]

Nice work. I only disagree on the above. That is the full title. It is Not a quote. There was a time when titles of books were very long. So titles should be Boldface - that's Wikipedia style. But otherwise I'm very pleased to meet a Wikipedia with whom one can reason and work efficiently. Best to you, --Ludvikus 05:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the long title into parentheses and bolded it, so the titles are together. How does that look? —{admin} Pathoschild 05:33:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
You deserve an award of recognition. --Ludvikus 05:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I award you this BarnStar for making Wikipedia and Wikisource operate and run smoothly with your careful listening, attention to detail, speed, and general knowledge of Wiki Style and Syntax. --Ludvikus 05:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 06:05:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The Morning Post[edit]

I got into a dispute over the article "The" in the name of this paper - and somehow lost the Talk page. I found an "X" in front of it with a "#REDIRECT". So I tried to ask having it deleted. Anyway, before I new what happened, the Talk page disappeared. Could you please check into this disappearance and hopefully fix things there? Thanks. --Ludvikus 14:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The talk page seems to be where it should be. Does it work for you now? It might have been a temporary caching issue. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:28:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The problem only occurs when the Article is moved like so Morning Post ? The Morning Post. And I'm now in an editor war (almost so) because one editor keeps reverting to the Former. I maintain that the Latter is correct. So before we can reach that issue, I've got to solve the problem of the Reversions. Can you help out with this Dispute first? --Ludvikus 17:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I try to avoid involving myself in other users' disputes, but the dispute resolution process should help. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:30:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hidden infoboxes on talk:Britney Spears[edit]

Hi. I have noticed that you have placed all those templates in Talk:Britney Spears into a "more information" template. It does make the talk page shorter and look neater, but I personally think that it is best to make all those templates as visible as possible. Because there is a lot of new editors coming along to make edits on the article, and those templates provide vital information, such as the policy for Biographies of Living Persons, the to do list, etc. The fact that most newly arrived editors usually couldn't be bothered opening the "more information" and reading them, it's best to show them as directly as possible. I'm sorry for reverting your edit, I just think it's the best thing to do. Oidia (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Many of the templates aren't useful to most editors, though, like {{WikiProject Kabbalah}} or {{WPCD-People}}. How about using {{hidden infoboxes}} on some of the less important templates like I did at User talk:Pathoschild/Sandbox? I don't think the to-do list is all that important, but feel free to move it out of the {{hidden infoboxes}} if you're sure it is. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:45:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello again. Yeah ok. I'll put these in the hidden template:
  • WPBiography
  • WikiProject Kabbalah
  • WPCD-People
  • to-do list
The others probably should stay visible. Particularly "notaforum" and WP:BLP. Cheers. Oidia (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've tucked those into {{hidden infoboxes}}. I agree that most of the remaining templates should remain visible by default, but what about {{ArticleHistory}} and {{GAnominee}}? These track the development of the article, which I don't think are important enough to announce to casual editors. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:42:54, 01 October 2007 (UTC)

The Jewish Bolshevism[edit]

I think I may be getting into an editor's war over the above. Also, the editor, Mikkai (something like that) used a threatening tone in the message he left on my page. Can you advise where I could get Administrative aid? I've done much research on that Antisemitic topic and think I'm correct. I only am having a problem whith this one editor. Thanks. --Ludvikus 05:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution describes the full range of solutions possible. Administrators rarely intervene in editorial disputes, except to protect articles from edit wars or block users for violating policy. —{admin} Pathoschild 12:31:45, 01 October 2007 (UTC)

Job queue effects of updating documentation subpages[edit]

Please be mindful of the job queue when updating templates. You may have to throttle the updates, especially if you continue to edit high-use templates; currently the job queue is at 2.8 mil. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've already stopped ten minutes ago to let the job queue return to normal. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 02:59:49, 02 October 2007 (UTC)
Great. Thanks. --MZMcBride 03:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pathoschild, I didn't see any discussion about the change from {{template doc}} to {{documentation}}. Other than one obvious change of removing :Image:Template-info.svg, what exactly is the benefit of the new template? Is it merely to expand the scope to any namespace? Or am I missing something else? Thanks for any clarification, Andrwsc 01:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Andrwsc. It was coded alongside {{documentation subpage}} to replace the several older methods. To be honest, the upgrade from {{template doc}} is accidental; I didn't discover that template until I had already converted a number of pages. That said, there are a few advantages over that independently created template:
  • it's theoretically compatible with any namespace, so it could be used for user boxes and other pages outside the template namespace;
  • a simple override allows transcluding of an arbitrary documentation page (for example, {{mergeto}} transcludes template:merge/doc);
  • it merges the functionality of {{template doc}} and {{template doc inline}};
  • it simplifies usage syntax, so future functionality can be added more easily.
I'm making the two templates (documentation and documentation subpage) consistent over the several previous methods, including {{template doc}}, {{template doc inline}}, {{template doc page}}, {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}} and {{/doc}}, {{template doc page transcluded}}, and {{template doc page viewed directly}}. Eventually the other templates will redirect to the appropriate template. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:36:51, 03 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation — that helps! Andrwsc 02:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. Just noting for any future questions, it also integrates clean CSS clearing and table syntax to fix display with floating elements (both outside and inside), so {{-}} or {{clear}} are no longer needed. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:01:29, 03 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I note that you've broken {{template doc page transcluded}} so that it no longer outputs anything. Would you mind fixing that template? --PEJL 17:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I forgot that redirected. I've removed the redirect until we finish converting pages to {{documentation subpage}}. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:01:10, 07 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! --PEJL 20:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. Another problem with the new templates is that they no longer show up when the doc subpage is transcluded in places other than the template, like for example at WP:ALBUM#Infobox. This worked fine with {{template doc page transcluded}}, and with {{documentation subpage}} when you first converted Template:Infobox Album/doc to use it, but it no longer does. Could you look into this please? --PEJL 20:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
That message was merged into {{documentation}}. {{documentation|template:Infobox Album/doc}} would work, but it would place the documentation in the formatted box. Maybe a "|plain=yes" toggle to hide the box? —{admin} Pathoschild 21:03:12, 07 October 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. --PEJL 21:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW, as you've probably noticed I tweaked the indentation of {{documentation}} so that it looks better next to {{for}} and similar. See for example Template:Infobox Single. I also removed the <small> for the "edit" link for the sandbox, for consistency with the "history" link. --PEJL 21:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The note still doesn't show up when the doc subpage is transcluded in places other than the template. Are you planning on re-adding support for this soon? If not, please hold off on changing more templates to use {{documentation subpage}} (like you did here) as this breaks this functionality. --PEJL 05:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I was looking at an old version of the page. An option to restore the previous behavior without the box would still be appreciated. --PEJL 05:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Thinking more about this, the box is actually an improvement, since it allows you to tell not only where the transclusion starts but also where it ends. The problem is mainly the subheading "Documentation", which is inappropriate for these transclusions, so an option to get rid of that would be appreciated. See for example WP:ALBUM#Infobox. --PEJL 11:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added a heading override; how does the page look now? —{admin} Pathoschild 13:59:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks good, thanks. My only minor remaining gripe is the slightly excessive whitespace before the box and at the top and bottom of the box. --PEJL 14:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed it; how does it look now? —{admin} Pathoschild 14:53:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Better, one of the three margins is gone (the one at the top of the box). --PEJL 16:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed the other margins. The default style for .template-documentation is to use margin-top:25px which seems excessive and somewhat arbitrary. I overrode that with margin-top:1em in the template. In my opinion that should be changed in the global style sheet. Do you know where one might propose such a change? --PEJL 19:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Try MediaWiki talk:Common.css. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:33:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, done. --PEJL 19:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


{{Documentation}} and {{Template doc}} are both highly visible template systems. Errors during their merge are potentially widely disruptive. I write you as {{Documentation}}'s original author and merge supporter. Given this is my first big merger I ask how do these things get organized (if at all) and finally done? To mitigate errors I'm trying attract review participation by proposing work and reporting progress as for this merge here. Is this much talk appropriate or over done for a merge process like this one? TIA – Conrad T. Pino 08:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Conrad. I see you've gotten consensus for the merges, so something you might try is listing pages using the templates being merged (on subpages), and ask volunteers to claim sections and convert them. A fully automated bot would not work well, though a semi-automated script might be helpful; I can write one based on the information you've provided on the talk page, and I can get you a list of pages with my bot's API access. How does that sound? —{admin} Pathoschild 13:25:45, 07 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll ask when script time comes. – Right now I need admin support to lower the protection level on Template:Template doc (backlinks, edit) and Template:Template doc inline (backlinks, edit) from {{pp-template}} to just {{pp-semi-template}}. – Conrad T. Pino 02:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Bot or script time is here!
Please visit {{Template doc}} clients and comment when convenient. – Conrad T. Pino 08:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I've made substantial progress. The template merge coding phase is behind us (excepting bugs and feature tweaks). – Some administrivia support from an admin is helpful now. At your earliest convenience, please visit Merge into template protection and Merge from template protection and implement Merging Level protection. I've noted the Current Level protection for your convenience. Thank you. – Conrad T. Pino 01:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I've semi-protected {{documentation, template}}, {{template doc page transcluded}}, and {{template documentation}}. The others are already semi-protected. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:40:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


I am following up the link between sockpuppet Scrotel and banned User:Ilena. See's user page. You posted on Ilena's user page that she was banned indefinitely by the community.[2] I looked but could not find a link. Would you please place a link to the communuty ban on Ilena's user page. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 17:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. The link is in the text as "(see case)". I didn't add the banned note; I just reformatted it so I could unsubstitute the template. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:28:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Right to Vanish[edit]

I would like to vanish, "Right to vanish", user Plexos due to stress, insults and great loss of time. More details below if you are interested. Could you please advise or arrange for my Plexos account to be removed including login, user and talk page. I have another user Laspalmas (rarely used) that needs vanishing too.

Reasons I want to vanish: I have decided that wikipedia doesn't work properly. The reason is "topic fanatics", who dominate many pages and ensure a highly biased content. If the topic is technical it's not easy for the layman to see this bias so the POV issue is often not raised. I found one such page in my opinion, "Many worlds interpretation", dominated by Michael C Price, a promoter in favour of the interpretation who is everywhere in the history and talk and has the most prominent external link to his private site on the topic (vested interests).

I know a bit about the topic so I need to raise a POV and here is the problem: Price will argue till the cows come home on any small issue so it will be impossible to get rid of the bias. The whole page needs going through. I already wasted literally days on this (maybe a week in total) when I tried to add an objection to the theory (QM objection in talk), also suffering various insults from Price. I could raise insult issues but that's just going to take more time. Bascially I haven't got the time to really fix this page and make it neutral. It could take months and huge stress!

In conclusion: a clever dominator (with vested interests) will usually win unless an equally determined person suffers a long POV debate. There ought to be specialised administrators to handle this type of case. The average layman like me can't handle it. --- Plexos | Talk 16:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted your user and talk page; it is not possible to delete your user name, and blocking it is unnecessary. Please confirm the request while logged in as Laspalmas if you'd like me to do the same for that account. I've responded to most of the rest in our email exchange. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:38:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Request confirmed. Could you cancel the login for Plexos and Laspalmas too please, or change the passwords. Thanks. Laspalmas 02:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Pages deleted. I can neither change the password nor revoke your login privileges, but you can do so yourself by changing your password to a random string and not saving it for later reference. However, it's better to simply not log in, so that you can restore access to your account if you later change your mind. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:34:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll do the random password option otherwise I might be tempted to use the accounts again. You probably think I'm silly but after that experience I just want to close as many doors as possible. I'm beginning to get over it now. Laspalmas 18:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Borrowing your userpage[edit]

I noticed this version of your userpage a while ago. Mind if I steal the idea? John Reaves 21:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Feel free. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 21:58:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


You created :Template:Editabuselinks according to the history and I'm proposing a major change to it User:Mbisanz/TemplateSandbox and would value your imput at the talk page. MBisanz talk 13:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that template should only address edit abuse; it was created to make it easier for users trying to report abuse to find the correct page, since there was a lot of posting on wrong pages. That said, I don't object to your particular change. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:34:39, 06 January 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous editors ineligible for CVN verification?[edit]

Hi Pathoschild I chose you because your name is the listed example. I am referring to this. Why does the fact that I am an anon editor effect my ability to use the anti-vandalism channel? I was told that I couldn't be confirmed unless I was a "named account" with 300 edits to my name. I don't get it. Have a look at my edit history on this IP address (which I strongly suspect is static). If I had access to the channel I would always have the same IRC nick so there would not be any confusion there, and even if my IP addy did change it wouldn't change my IRC nick. That page has now been semi-protected, I suppose to prevent other anon vandal fighters from requesting access. It can't have been because of vandalism, there isn't any. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't semi-protection used for fighting vandalism from anons and new vandal accounts? Sorry this is a little long winded, but I'm highly disappointed in the bigotry shown to me. Also I do believe there is a past precedent of an anon editor having access User talk: I do believe. (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello? (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay; I brought it up with the channel staff. You can make your request again, and it will be accepted if you meet the usual requirements. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:19:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
No worry. I was starting to wonder if I was somehow invisible though! (I'm an anon, of course I'm invisible :P) I'm still confused on why I was rejected in the first place. As the reasons given to me did not make much sense. (Hence the reversal I suppose) However, I greatly appreciate you looking into the matter, and I will use your kindly intervention to gain access sooner or later. I guess what I'm really looking for is a more clear explanation behind the initial rejection. Thanks again, and happy editing. (talk) 00:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Archival permission[edit]

Hello Pharos,

I am the archivist for the language subcommittee. You sent a message to the language subcommittee on January 29th 2008 about historical languages. Discussion with the subcommittee is regularly copied to a public archive for transparency. Since you have not agreed to archival, your messages are currently replaced with the message "<this user has not agreed to public archival>".

Do you agree to the public archival of all your emails? Even if you do agree, you can mark any email or comment as private and the message will be replaced by an appropriate note to that effect. The archives can be edited at any time to remove a message you forgot to mark as private.

Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:17:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You have my full permission for the public archiving of my e-mails to the language subcommittee. Thank you.--Pharos (talk) 18:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:20:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured sounds[edit]

I noticed that you have participated Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates in the past. There are now two candidates and the project appears to be abandoned. If you could look at the candidates and vote it would be appreciated. Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 18:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I have never actively participated in that process, although I may have made some edits to related pages. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:36:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


Just an FYI that a discussion is being made to change the TOR link on this template here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject on open proxies. If you have any thoughts, your input would be appreciated. SkierRMH (talk) 06:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:36:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

IP talk archives[edit]

Hello. In reference to your deletion of User talk: and User talk:, I created both archives as per the instructions at WP:UTM and WP:UW stating that "old warnings may be archived into page history when they are no longer useful." If we are making the determination that these sorts of archives are not necessary, the documentation should be updated so that editors following the instructions to create them do not waste their time. --Kralizec! (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kralizec. Archiving "into page history" means linking to previous revisions of the page history, not creating archive subpages. To do so, copy the URL you see in the address bar when you click on a date in the page history; for example, // will link to the version of this page before this comment. Maybe this should be explained better on Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:47:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Wow, I sure feel embarassed now. Learn something new every day ... Thanks for your help in explaining this! --Kralizec! (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 18:22:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

No bots and indefblock[edit]

Hi there. I noticed you removed the nobots bit from {{indefblock}}. I thought a bot had been proposed and rejected for dealing with temporary user pages? So I was wondering why you are saying that bots do maintenance in this area? I would be happy for bots to deal with throwaway indef blocked accounts, but as you say on the talk page, non-throwaway accounts can be marked historical. I worry that many admins don't bother to do this. Maybe the default should be 'historical', and the admin placing the template should have to manually specify that the pages should be deleted? ie. replace the historical parameter with a delete parameter, and swap the categories around? For now, I've add a note to the template to mention the 'historical' parameter. Carcharoth (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of routine template bot maintenance being opposed. Pathosbot (inactive lately) did a lot of maintenance work on user pages of indefinitely blocked with no objections from the community (this was even prominently mentioned in the description of Temporary Wikipedian userpages for a while). Are you referring to administrator bots used for deletion? That is a whole other issue, which is not affected by the {{nobots}} template.
The vast majority of user pages belonging to indefinitely blocked users are not historical. That flag is intended for pages where there is historical reason to keep it indefinitely, such as long-time established editors blocked as a result of arbitration committee decisions. This should not be used for most user pages. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:40:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
What about long-time established editors blocked as a result of a small discussion somewhere on AN or ANI, or not even there? My point is that any user page or user talk page with an appreciable history should be kept. It can be blanked, sure, but there is little reason to delete user pages for anything other than throwaway accounts used for disruption. Anything else has a history that may be needed, such as discussions. My other point is that some indefinitely blocked users don't appeal straightaway. They go away and come back several months later, sometimes reformed and aware of what they did wrong and wanting a chance to edit again. If they come back and find that their user pages have been deleted, that would be discouraging. There are many reasons for indefinite bans, and many of those reasons don't fit well with the "temporary wikipedian" tag. See User:Hut 8.5/indef blocks 2 for an analysis of the reasons given for indefinite blocks. Carcharoth (talk) 01:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, deletion is delayed for months so that users have plenty of time to go through the unblock process. If a user comes back much later and seriously wants to turn over a fresh leaf, they probably won't miss the old pages full of warning and block templates. These can easily be undeleted if they're unblocked and want them back, and the revisions are visible to administrators reviewing unblock requests.
You and other administrators are free to tag historically useful pages as such. The category is primarily intended for the vast majority of blocked users, particularly throwaway and vandalism-only accounts, self-documenting attention-seekers, pure trolls, et cetera. The category was created in the spirit of Wikipedia:Deny recognition after the deletion of the vandal showcases and templates and categories, and I've personally seen a noticeable decrease in vanity and attention-seeking vandalism in the countervandalism channels over the last two years. However, truly useful pages should not be deleted. :)
(There is no "temporary wikipedian" tag; it is a temporary user page tag.) —{admin} Pathoschild 05:56:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that further. Do you have any idea how many of the 5000-8000 indef blocks a month end up with no unblocks and deletion of the pages? I'm trying to get stats on how many of the indefinitely blocked users have a track record of extensive edits or not. Someone at Wikipedia talk:Blocking_policy#Block logs analysis - logging indefinite blocks said it is possible to do API queries to list those over a certain number of contributions. Do you think stats like that would be useful? Carcharoth (talk) 10:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Request help with a template[edit]

Good evening. I recently discovered your page on confirming the substitution of a template. I have a similar problem but can't seem to make fix it.

Back in November 2007, someone added code to {{wi}} which was supposed to check whether or not a page was protected. If not protected, it returns a friendly message that we don't yet have an encyclopedia page, please create one if you can. If the page is protected, the message is slightly more terse in pointing you to Wiktionary. The difference is one extra sentence in the template.

I'm not sure if the code ever worked but it's not working now. (I temporarily full-protected 5555 just to be sure.) I've tried a couple of variations to no effect. The extra sentence is still showing.

Given your experience with wiki-code, I was hoping that you could tell us what we're doing wrong. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 23:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello Rossami. The code added to the template doesn't automatically detect protection (which isn't possible with wiki-code alone). You can remove the extra sentence by using {{wi|protected=yes}} instead of {{wi}}. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:58:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'll go fix the documentation. Rossami (talk) 01:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


Hello, can you clarify what you real name is on ? Thank you in advance Anthere (talk) 09:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The name currently listed is correct. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:49:09, 08 March 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of :Template:Temporary userpage[edit]

Template:Temporary userpage has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Ryan Postlethwaite 15:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


Update to Regex standardization script[edit]

Hi, Pathoschild,

Since we now have an additional translator parameter in header2, I was wondering if it would be possible to update your standardization regex script to automatically add the parameter when updating a header-->header2. That way it saves another step in the conversion process. Thanks!—Zhaladshar (Talk) 01:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response. Is "translator" a default parameter, or an override? I thought it would be the latter. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:05:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It is an override; it is only necessary for works that were originally in a foreign language. I added it to the default help at the request of Sherurcij. I dont think that it should be added to pages which are not translations, but it wont hurt if it is added to them. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know it was an override. I would agree with John, that there isn't much need to automatically include it on all pages.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 00:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I removed it from the default set and reorganized the documentation on overrides to make it easier to find. —{admin} Pathoschild 00:06:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Umm, I don't think it's an ovverride. See The Prince for example. There's the author, and then there's the translator, unless I'm missing something here. I would include the translator parameter by default, and then just leave it blank if not used. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Admin confirmations[edit]

Any particular reason you set all the January people from this year up for reconfirmation in Febuary of next year?--BirgitteSB 19:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

PS Welcome back!--BirgitteSB 19:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. :) Yes, this schedules their next confirmations for one month after the end of their last confirmations. If we don't bump them up a month, all administrators are confirmed every 11 months. (This is the way I did it previously as well). —{admin} Pathoschild 21:00:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, I think I did it wrong while you were gone. At least I think I archived and re-listed the Dec confirmations.--BirgitteSB 21:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yep; I just bumped those up a month. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:01:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I wasn't looking forward to weeding through that history tonight.--BirgitteSB 22:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured text[edit]

Congratulations! A work you contributed to, Balade to Rosemounde, is this month's Featured Text and can be seen on the main page. Thanks for all your work! —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 17:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

bot error[edit]

I noticed in this edit // you moved the header out of the noinclude tags when you normalized it, which has an odd affect. I'm not sure yet if that happened on other pages as well. -Steve Sanbeg 20:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

That's caused by a simple heuristic rule that the header should be first on the page. It will affect any page placing the header in <noinclude> tags; as far as I know, only your Bible experiment was affected. I review the majority of the bots' edits, and have not seen this problem elsewhere. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:39:28, 06 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Colorbox - can this be deleted?[edit]

Can the above be safely deleted, it does not appear to be in use so I have tagged it for deletion. Apologies if it is still required.

John Cross 19:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:41:53, 06 March 2008 (UTC)


I have a new computer :) IIRC you helped me before with some useful cheats to make things quicker two computers ago. It was something using notepad and it would display as a sidebar in FireFox. Do you remember how to do this still? I don't. I would be grateful if you could instruct me on this again. BTW Congrats for making the election officer shortlist, I imagine you are going to miss sleeping dearly ;)--BirgitteSB 12:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) I remember how to do it, but I created TemplateScript (simple templates) and Regex menu framework (complex scripts) to do it much more conveniently. For example, TemplateScript adds a new "templates" menu to the sidebar (see screenshot), and inserts the content into the relevant input box when you click an item in the new menu. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:46:43, 06 March 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration project[edit]

This weeks collaboration project is G. W. Bush. Please take the time this week to identify and/or transcribe one important work by, or involving, this very prominent person who is relevant to us all. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Bible, English, King James, According to the documentary hypothesis[edit]

Hey, Pathoschild.

I'm an editor (opensourcejunkie) over at Wikiversity who just recently viewed a discussion concerning an old wikisource article entitled "Bible, English, King James, According to the documentary hypothesis". It had been suggested that it be moved from wikisource to wikiversity (since on ws it wasn't actually a source ;) From the digging I've done, it seems that the move never happened, and as the content may be a help to my current project, I'd like the chance to move it myself. I was planning to talk to the user who asked you to restore it last time, but only his IP address was recorded, so I couldn't contact him. If you know which user has the source code, or you're able to make it available to me, I would be much oblidged. Thanks a lot!

-- 01:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC) Opensourcejunkie

Hello. Please tell me what titles you'd like to use, and I'll import it to Wikiversity with full edit histories. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:11:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
For now, let's just place it under "Documentary Hypothesis research", until I (or someone else) is able to spruce it up to classroom material. I'll know what I'm dealing with better once the work is visible. Thanks for helping us preserve this!
--Opensourcejunkie 00:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 03:35:39, 02 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Pc, I just wanted to thank you for moving the Documentary Hypothesis OR over to Wikiversity. It's quite an incredible resource! Glad we could rescue it from the annals of deletion :-)
-- Opensourcejunkie 14:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)~
You're welcome. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 15:51:34, 07 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for CU rights[edit]

As you were well supported in your prior request and only failed due to the community size at the time, I would love to see you join in and request CU rights here at WS:ADMIN, if you are still interested. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I've added a request after our discussion on IRC. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:10:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Changes to Live to be Useful[edit]

Hello Diego. Thanks for your interest in Live to be Useful, but I've reverted your changes (one example of which). An anonymous author is one who deliberately published a work without authorship information, which is a subset of all unknown authors (some of which are deleted on Wikisource). Changing "anonymous" to "unknown" loses that important distinction. In addition, the dots you removed were present in the original text; for example, see the scan of page 5. —{admin} Pathoschild 15:47:23, 03 April 2008 (UTC)

HI - no hard feelings, sorry for my confusion. But there is one thing I didn't notice before: "It was first digitized by Project Gutenberg (who released their edition into the public domain), and further proofread by Wikisource. (Typographical errors in the original text were corrected by Project Gutenberg, but restored for fidelity in this edition.)". I'm not that familiar with Wikisource's policies, but shouldn't "Notes" be for notes about the work itself, and not about the page, article. I'm asking this, so that I'd know what you think before removing it. diego_pmc 17:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The notes parameter is for information about the edition, not only the work in general. This includes mentioning changes to the text, in this case.
By convention, we typically cite the source on the talk page, because simple mirrors don't need attribution. In those cases, the link only serves to verify our edition during proofreading. When we do know who did the considerable work of digitizing the printed edition, I think it's best to place attribution in the notes (but there's no particular convention on this point). Whether or not we do, it's important to note that we've made some changes to that digitized edition to more closely match the printed edition. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:34:52, 03 April 2008 (UTC)
That's what I had in mind, moving that info to the talk page. I would still do it, it looks cleaner to me that way. diego_pmc 09:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Please don't move the editorial information to the talk page. If you think it should not be in the header notes, please finish discussing before moving them, or request comment on the community discussion page. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:50:43, 05 April 2008 (UTC)
If you really have something against it, then tell it on your talk page when asked. Your silence might be understood as "do as you will".diego_pmc 16:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I did above, where I explained why I think it should not be moved to the talk page. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 20:30:33, 05 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Pathoschild,

I was wondering if you know why some pages that are subpages are showing up on the UncategorizedPages special page. Many of these pages have header2 but it doesn't seem to be working automatically adding them to Category:Subpages.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 18:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Zhaladshar. This should be fixed now. The template only added the category if the immediate parent page existed (to avoid incorrectly categorizing top pages with slashes in their names, like "The 1/2-baked apple"). I rewrote the code so it should work as long as the parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent page exists (which should cover every subpage). —{admin} Pathoschild 22:23:53, 04 April 2008 (UTC)
That's great. Thanks a lot.  :) —Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)