User talk:SPQRobin

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Contents 1 A disaster 2 Logo Saterfriese wikipedia 3 Vrint van sint 4 Hello! 5 Mari Wikipedia in Incubator 6 Ka-wikisource 7 Could you please elaborate? 8 Liefdadigheid 9 Acehnese Wikipedia 10 Hi 11 Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia 12 Vlaanderen Vlaams

[edit] A disaster

• We have a problem in our Masri wikipedia [1]. When we try to see the history of pages, we get an error message. See [2]

غلط فى قاعدة البيانات

من ويكيبيديا عرض السجلات للصفحه دى روح على: ناڤيجيشن, تدوير حصل غلط فى صيغة الاستعلام. ممكن يكون فى عيب فى البرنامج. آخر استعلام اتطلب من قاعدة البيانات كان:

   (استعلام إس‌كيو‌إل متخبي)

من جوا الدالة "IndexPager::reallyDoQuery (PageHistoryPager)". MySQL رجعت الغلط "1054: Unknown column 'ts_tags' in 'field list' (10.0.6.27)". اتجابت من "http://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%85"

• عرض السجلات للصفحه دى. This link redirects to your page at our Masri wikipedia.
• Please help us! --Mahmudmasri 22:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• The problem stopped now. Thanks if you or someone fixed the problem:) --Mahmudmasri 22:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, it seems a developer is working in the database. Anyway, if you see it only once, there aren't any big problems... SPQRobin ^(inc!) 22:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Should be fixed now, looks like http://leuksman.com/log/2009/02/24/i-broked-the-wiki/. --UV 22:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Logo Saterfriese wikipedia

Hey SPQRobin,

Ik heb het logo van de Saterfriese wikipedia geupdate op commons: commons:File:Wikipedia-logo-stq.png (juiste verhoudingen, wereldbol in juiste formaat). Nu moet die nog geupdate worden op de Saterfriese wikipedia zelf, op stq:File:Wiki.png. Ik heb zelf daar de rechten niet voor. Aangezien jij de vorige keer het logo hebt geupdate en jij dus waarschijnlijk de rechten wel hebt, zou ik je willen vragen om de nieuwe versie op de wikipedia te zetten. Veel dank alvast!

Ik heb trouwens een bug report gedaan op bugzilla voor het veranderen van het logo, maar erg veel schot lijkt er niet in de zaak te zitten... Weet je misschien een manier om dit onder de aandacht te krijgen bij de mensen die er iets aan kunnen doen? Ik ben een beetje ten einde raad.

Vriendelijke groeten, Maartenvdbent 20:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallo Maarten, als je kijkt naar de geschiedenis dan kan je zien dat het beveiligd is nadat ik het heb geüpload (ik heb dus geen extra rechten daar), dus zul je aan een sysop moeten vragen om het te uploaden. SPQRobin ^(inc!) 12:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vrint van sint

Mss moet ge eens aan de subcommité voorstellen om de limburgs wikiversiteit te afkeuren, want het is 'nen doorn in 't haar. En ge moet ook nie vergeten om uw overlegpagina te archiveren. Het begint hier precies uit te zien gelijk gerard m zijn overlegpagina tot recentelijk toe nog uitzag :( Toet hèrsjiks, --OosWesThoesBes 18:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Doorn in 't oog, bedoelde zeker? :) Ik zal het doen als ik tijd heb (nu examens!). Danke, SPQRobin ^(inc!) 12:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC) (Btw, "vrint van sint"??)

Vlaanderen-Limburgverschil, doorn in het haar verwijst naar den doornkroon van Jezus en betekent dus niet pront hetzelfde. Examens :P --OosWesThoesBes 13:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC) (wist niets beters te verzinnen als titel...)

[edit] Hello!

Could you please take a look at my request about Mari Wikipedia, and post a comment on it? --Сай 16:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell you anything new about that request specifically, but I can say that I am working on the prefix and recent changes issues (and other things). SPQRobin ^(inc!) 22:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for answer! Recent changes will be a very usufull tool in incubator. Good luck on your work! --Сай 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mari Wikipedia in Incubator

Please, take a look at Talk:Language_committee#Requests for approval Meadow Mari Wikipedia. Nobody has answered yet on my last post week ago. --Сай 09:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

We are currently discussing and processing several requests. So, it's not that it hasn't been seen. SPQRobin ^(inc!) 17:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Could you tell, please, how many time it will take you for disscussing and processing Mari Wikipedia? --Сай 15:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Many people of various tests ask me this, but I am not able to answer that question. SPQRobin ^(inc!) 20:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there! I am glad to inform you, Language committee, that now Mari Wikipedia Incubator commutity has three active not-grayed out editors for last three monthes (look at statistics). So, the last requirement is meet now.

Also I want to add, that there will be a big conference in July, 10. There would be around 150 young mari. I will take part in this conference and intend to talk about Mari Wikipedia to involve more people to contribute. There are more chances that new participants will contribute to Wikipedia than to Incubator. So, I am asking you to consider approval of Mari Wikipedia before the start of conference(before July, 10). As for me, I have some technical skills. I can help you, for example in creating subdomain mhr.wikipedia.org or in moving pages, etc. And of cource, if you think that mari wikipedia don't have something for final approval, please, write it here immediatly, so we can fix and solve all the problems before July 10.

Please, post your answer here --Сай 06:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

First I am happy to hear there will be a conference about Mari and that you will talk about Wikipedia. About the approval: the language committee is somewhat inactive; when I ask what the state is of current requests, I get no answer. As for moving pages, we know what we have to do once it has been created so your help is appreciated but not really needed to move them. I think you can be pretty sure that it will be approved by July 10, but indeed, it does always take a long time... Thanks, SPQRobin ^(inc!) 19:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ka-wikisource

--George Mel 13:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please elaborate?

You recently did these edits. What do you mean by "consensus"? Could you please elaborate in the proposal page? In that page there are more people against the closure than supporting it. Regards. --83.42.147.250 09:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

According to a conspicuous warning in Proposals_for_closing_projects, if somebody proposes a project for closure and they do not add a local announcement as well, the request would be ignored. I have just checked and km.wiktionary does not seem to have been properly informed about the proposal in Meta with at least a warning in its main page. I have also checked km.wikibooks and the same happens. Have you checked the rest of the projects you added in (bug 19368) in the same way? Regards. --81.38.38.128 11:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Answered on the proposal page. About the local announcement, I didn't propose them. I wanted to clean up the list because they are open propsals since ages. SPQRobin ^(inc!) 14:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

That was and is obvious. I never asked you about leaving any announcements in the projects, just about your previous checking of the projects. Those projects, at least two of them, do not seem to have been properly warned. If they are closed now, it would mean that the proposals are not being ignored despite the warning in Proposals_for_closing_projects. Could you please cancel the bug until procedures are done with a bit more of fairness and logic with them? Thanks. --81.38.38.128 17:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC) I have crossed off the number of projects because none of them seem to have been properly warned --81.38.38.140 14:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Liefdadigheid

Beste Robin, als ik het goed heb nagepluisd, is de huidige tekst op de hoofdpagina van jou afkomstig.

"De Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is een liefdadigheidsorganisatie zonder winstoogmerk, die gewijd is aan het aanmoedigen van de groei, ontwikkeling en verspreiding van vrije, meertalige inhoud, en het gratis verspreiden van de volledige inhoud van deze wiki-gebaseerde projecten aan het publiek."

Liefdadigheid? Daarbij moet ik aan steun voor hulpbehoevenden denken. Niet aan het soort dingen die de Foundation doet. Komt bij dat 1) een organisatie die aan iets "gewijd is" wat stroef klinkt en 2) datgene wat moet groeien en zich ontwikkelen ("inhoud") buitengewoon vaag.

Dat laatste zal wel niet anders kunnen. Voor het overige suggereer ik:

"De Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is een organisatie zonder winstoogmerk die zich richt op het aanmoedigen van de groei, ontwikkeling en verspreiding van vrije, meertalige inhoud, en het gratis verspreiden van de volledige inhoud van deze wiki-gebaseerde projecten aan het publiek."

Wat zou je denken? Groeten, Fransvannes 08:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Acehnese Wikipedia

Hi Robin. We want to make Acehnese Wikipedia could be edited only by registered user. I do not how. Could you help us please? Thank you very much! Si Gam Acèh 16:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is supposed to be editable by everyone, so I don't know if it is allowed, but if you really want to, you can ask it on Bugzilla. SPQRobin ^(inc!) 00:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I saw an old post about a language learning environment implented in a wikimedia suit where you were writing... Do you know if it turned out to be something?

The reason I contact you is that I, in 2008, created the site "Wikidioma" without having seen that post. It's mainly in norwegian, as that's where I'm from. It's built on the wikimedia platform. I can see that my goals with the site was the same as yours. So buttom line: is there still some interest? As of that I can give the domain to wikimedia, and help in maintaining the site, update etc.

please email me at trondkevin (a) gmail (dot) com

[edit] Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

[I know that my English is not perfect. And I sorry for possible grammatical and stylistic errors.]

I am a professional anthropologist and at the same time, a man with considerable experience as a politician and as a party to legal conflicts. I am very interesting by those most bitter conflicts in the Wikipedia community around the creation of Wikipedia in those or other languages. This, in particular, the sharp conflicts over language: Volapük, Lombardian, Siberian, Klingon, Quenya, Toki Pona, Moldovan.

[I note that the closing pages of the Moldovan and Siberian languages was partly inspired by political motives, respectively, the representatives of Romanian and Russian languages. There is no doubt in the existence of a group of Siberian dialects of the Russian language, and there is no doubt in the existence of a formal written language, which was called "Moldovan" and was considered different from Romanian.]

I believe that decisions on these matters do not meet many of the panellists. This means that the problem of the continued functioning of languages of the Wikipedia needs more regulation. Should be introduced simple and obvious rules, which could satisfy all. Moreover, these rules should be considered obvious and fair to all members of the Wikipedia community.

These rules I have set out in the form of a few simple and universal legal norms. These rules have a few sources.

Main source: These rules follow from the main purpose of Wikipedia. The purpose of Wikipedia - creating the most complete and high quality on-line version of the encyclopedia in all languages of the Earth.

Second source: own practice of the Wikipedia community (especially the Language committee) in dealing with such issues, the presence in the practice of historical precedents.

The third source: the general universal principles of law that have proved themselves throughout the history of mankind, and which recognized the basic legal systems of almost all States, except in the most odious dictatorships. In this case there are two such universal principles:

1) A person shall not be liable for the acts of illegality which he could not have known. In particular, it should not be punished for acts which at the time they were committed were not illegal.

2) If people are free to enjoy certain rights, these rights they can not be taken away or limited. This is a very important universal principle, which dictates the obvious solution of a number of the most violent conflicts in the Wikipedia community.

Based on this latter principle, those languages that already have existing Wikipedia pages, or who have already obtained the right to create such pages in the wiki-Incubator, in any case can not be denied the right to own Wikipedia.

Because of this legal principle should be necessary to reopen the languages of the Wikipedia: Klingon, Toki Pona, Moldovan and Siberian.

On the other hand, these Wikipedias have been closed due to fair and honest reasons. So we must not allow the emergence of similar pages in the future. For this purpose, and should be taken these guidelines.

The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

A. Rules of use of existing languages in Wikimedia

1) Any language of Wikimedia may not be removed from it.

2) Administrators of each active Wikipedia in any language are obliged to care about the quality of Wikipedia articles. In particular, there is considered unacceptable the bot-creation of the main part of Wikipedia articles in any language.

In case of serious doubt as Wikipedia in this language guide Wikimedia Foundation may require the removal of all articles that have been bot-uploaded.

3) If necessary, bad-quality Wikimedia to correct the deficiencies can be returned to the Wiki-incubator.

4) In case if the language is used in two or more writing systems, separate sections for each type of writing is not created. Instead, is nessesary to create a program that can translate the contents of any article on this language from one writing system into another.

We are welcoming the creation for any language of Wikipedia, program that gives the contents of articles into the International Phonetic Alphabet, as well as program that translates into the Latin transcription of the contents of articles in those languages, which made other writing systems.

B. Rules for the establishment of Wikipedia and Wiki-Incubator for new languages

1) In the Wikipedia and Wiki-incubator can be created sections in any native (living or dead) language, having the code ISO 639-3.

2) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any living language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) there are people for whom this language is native;

b) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

c) there is a scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

d) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

3) In the Wikipedia can be created sections on any recently extinct language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) The language died out not earlier than 1850;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

4) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any dead language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) in that language existed and survived to the present day own rich literature;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a modern literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

5) All the languages that do not meet the criteria set out in paragraphs 1), 2), 3) and 4), are considered to be artificial.

In Wikipedia, there are sections of the following artificial (constructed) languages: Esperanto, Simple English, Ido, Novial, Intelingua, Interlingue (Occidental), Volapük, Lojban, Quenya, Klingon, Toki Pona, and Lingua Franca Nova.

In the Wikipedia is not possible to create partitions on any other artificial languages.

As an exception, the decision to establish a section of Wikipedia in any other artificial language can be accepted leadership of the Wikimedia Foundation. In this case the language must meet all the requirements of paragraph 4) for the dead languages and have code ISO 639-3 and a level of development and popularity of not less than the language of Quenya in 2009.

I believe that the adoption of these rules will remove all the stress and all the discussions around the language policy of Wikipedia.

Best Regards,

Ihor Rassokha, Ukraine

[edit] Vlaanderen Vlaams

Vraagje, waarom die politiek getinte links vanop je UP. Vind je dit wel verstandig? --Ida Shaw 13:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Waarom? Ik wil aan bezoekers laten zien bij welk volk ik hoor en welke mening ik daarover heb. Want het is dikwijls, als ze zien dat ik Nederlands spreek, denken ze dat ik van Nederland kom. Of als ze zien dat ik van België kom, denken ze dat ik Franstalig ben. Daarom staat er duidelijk op: een Vlaming die Vlaams spreekt.
Verstandig? Ik heb er nog geen problemen mee gehad. Als dat wel het geval is zal ik het wegdoen.
Groeten, SPQRobin ^(inc!) 15:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)