User talk:Tegel

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Yah, I noticed that. I made the mistake when I changed my sing. Can you send to elimination?

H, Willy Weazley 17:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. This happens now and then here on Meta since it's a multi-language project. The pages that you created in error is deleted. -- Tegel _(Talk) 17:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Usuario:Invadinado

Hello, Tegel.

Yes, you have reason, I've looked it. This is because of unfamiliarity with English. I'm sorry.

Thanks for the warning, and regards from Spanish Wikipedia. invadinado _{(Tell me)} 18:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. It was just to inform you why I deleted the page. As you can see above it's not the first time it happens and it will probably not be the last time. -- Tegel _(Talk) 18:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

SwedishSven and sockpuppets

As you have interacted with this vandal before, you may be interested in his latest activities. Whaledad 22:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

... for removing that vandalism from my page. I just noticed (we should receive some kind of warn when our user pages are edited)
Have a nice day.” T_ele^s (T _{@ L C S}) 19:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Ruy Pugliesi semiprotected my user page 6 month ago due to vandalism. It shouldn't be necessary to protect the user page, but in some cases it seems to be the only option. It seems like the user is back here. -- Tegel _(Talk) 02:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your addition, but I thought that Herby´s comment was enough :D --WizardOfOz ^talk 18:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, it was a little bit double information. It was more so I had something to write as a reason for the decline of the request. -- Tegel _(Talk) 19:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

How can i add quotes in Pashto wikiquote

Hi there

How can i add quotes in here? Please guide me Thanks --WadanAfghanistan 08:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. My knowledge in wikiquotes is not the best, but what happens if you enter the name of the person in the frame and create the page? When the page is created you can add the quotes of that person. Check other pages on for instance Wikiquote in English how they have setup the pages. -- Tegel _(Talk) 14:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Stewards/Elections 2012/Statements/Tegel

Hi, Tegel. First of all, good luck on elections!

I used the English version of your statement to add Portuguese version. I am not sure about a sentence:

"Fighting cross-wiki vandalism and supporting small wikis is what user outside of Wikipedia in Swedish see me do, and that is a big part of what I do."

The text in bold is not clear for me. Could you tell me that in other words, please?” T_ele^s (T _{@ L C S}) 19:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't mean to offend but I'm slightly confused too, reworded, perhaps this is what you mean:

"A user that does not use the Swedish Wikipedia can see that fighting cross-wiki vandalism and supporting small wikis is a big part of what I do here. On the Swedish Wikipedia, I am a bureaucrat and so do standard bureaucrat work - renaming accounts, adding and removing bot flags and promoting new administrators and bureaucrats."

Hope this helps! The Helpful One 19:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Good suggestion Thehelpfulone. I think that I go for that. I had some issues with that particular sentence so the support is appreciated. -- Tegel _(Talk) 20:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice. Portuguese version updated.” T_ele^s (T _{@ L C S}) 19:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

SWMT Reply

Dear Tegal,

I highly appreciated that well, I suppose to type my number in New Users, I suppose to recheck it, hey by the way you edit in Swedish Wikipedia nice to know that, well I am learning Swedish Language these days, would you be kind enough to exchange Skype or Facebook ids so we can talk brother, I hope I can learn a lot of things from you in Swedish language.--Faizanalivarya 14:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I don't use Skype or Facebook. I'm sorry to say, but I think there is more suitable persons that could help you with the Swedish language than me. -- Tegel _(Talk) 19:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Död omdirigering

Finns en död omdirigering i s:fo:Símunar táttur om du vill bättra på raderingsstatistiken. -- Lavallen 12:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Jag såg den lite sent så den var redan raderad. -- Tegel _(Talk) 19:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Answer: Talk pages

Aqui só tinha ofensas contra mim. Só removi e também citei (Translate to English: Here was only offenses against me. Just removed and also cited.). Bruno Leonard (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Steward!

Hello Tegel! On behalf of the stewards' election committee, congratulations on your appointment as a steward! Your permissions have now been set and you are able to start the work.

You have been added to the list of stewards and the stewards' chart. Please take a moment to check that your details are accurate and update them if necessary. In addition, please subscribe to checkuser-l, the private mailing list for Wikimedia checkusers, and stewards-l, the private list for stewards. In addition, you will be given access to the related private wikis, one for checkusers and the other solely for stewards, details of which will be provided.

If you use IRC, please contact an operator for access to #wikimedia-checkuser and #wikimedia-privacy. Please also idle in #wikimedia-stewards when you are available for duty.

Best of luck with your new tools; I am sure you will do a fantastic job. Please remember that your fellow stewards are always available if you need a second opinion, either via the mailing list or on IRC.

Useful links:

• Stewards policy
• Steward handbook
• Steward requests

On behalf of the election committee,
— [ Tanvir | Talk ] 01:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. If I have any questions I will ask. -- Tegel _(Talk) 06:58, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

That IP block

It doesn't worry me but I was about to block that IP when you did. Looking at the block log with blocks up to 3 months in the past and a lot of them I wonder if something rather longer would be more appropriate. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 19:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I saw the 3 month block, but since it was 7 month ago when it was placed it might as well be another user behind it by now. But there is something that is not right here so I will continue to see what I can find. -- Tegel _(Talk) 19:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

user talk walter55034

you have some messages at User talk:Walter55034--Walter55034 (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC) you have more messages at the page above.--72.161.25.168 21:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

help

if you have a wikipedia go to rhaworths page and talk about the block.--Walter55034 (talk) 02:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what it will help to discuss with the user that blocked you on en.wiki. It's their decision. Either you honestly don't understand when people is trying to explain to you, or you're just playing a game here. What is it? -- Tegel _(Talk) 06:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

well it just feels unfair just talk to him please.--Walter55034 (talk) 12:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I have no intention to do that. Based on your history on en.wiki with 3 different accounts I have an understanding why you are blocked. If you continue in the same way here there is a risk that you will be blocked here as well. -- Tegel _(Talk) 12:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

well i am promiseing that i will do better.--Walter55034 (talk) 12:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

184.82.186.0/24 global block

THANK YOU! That just saved me a lot of hassle on the UK chapter wiki. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

User rights

Hello. How are you? I am admin on MK Wikisource and Wikipedia, and the last week there was a voting for my request about the bureaucrat user rights on MK Wikisource. Since I am the first of that kind on mk Wikisource, I need a steward to give me the rights. There was voting, limited of course because of the small number of users, but it was successful. I asked Milosh, a steward, to give me the rights, but probably he is busy. Can you do it? Thanks, --MacedonianBoy (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Place the request at Steward requests/Permissions under the right section. Then all Stewards will see it. I'm new as Steward and this is a tricky case when so few users has voted, so I prefer that some of the more experienced Stewards look at this. -- Tegel _(Talk) 20:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

That's because no more than 2 are active users there :) I got the admin rights on the same way.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 20:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

That's why I would like that the request is placed on Steward requests/Permissions. One question is if you really need a bureaucrat with so few active users. -- Tegel _(Talk) 21:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I made my request. Of course we need, we are four, the most active one, but we have new users from time to time. We do not have bureaucrats at all, and we hope we will get the first one. For every bureaucratic intervention we need to ask the stewards which is not practical. Best--MacedonianBoy (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Walter55034

For your information, see this request. Kind regards, Mathonius (talk) 15:52, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. It's sad that the user comes back, but it's easy to detect. -- Tegel _(Talk) 23:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Help me, please!

Hello, Mr. Tegel!

This page has repeatedly vandalism to provide image that do not comply. We would be protected it from anon editing and user who do it so blocked for some time. There are currently no local sysop login. Wagino 20100516 (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help. Wagino 20100516 (talk) 12:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that a local admin blocked the IP-address as well. -- Tegel _(Talk) 12:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

You have to use the right steward at the request of the user on a particular wiki and it seems to me not a problem under certain conditions. Cheers. Wagino 20100516 (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

The Steward policy states "in an emergency situation requiring immediate action". And it's a tricky balance when it comes to what could be considered "emergency". But the problem got solved, and that's the important thing. -- Tegel _(Talk) 13:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the mess of en.wikibooks

I take a 60 minute trip to the shops and it all goes crazy! QU ^TalkQu 19:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. That's a known vandal that comes back now and then and targets small wikis with only a few active users. -- Tegel _(Talk) 19:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Fast :)

You beat me to the global block before I could place the request! Thanks for the work --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:38, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Now on 114.44.171.73 btw --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, sometimes I'm fast. :-) The new IP-address has only been on Commons where you blocked it, but I will monitor it for a while. Thanks for reporting it. -- Tegel _(Talk) 10:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Unlock request

Hello! Could you please unlock my account in the following wiki-projects: Russian wikipedia and Wiki-Commons. You can see I didn't commit vandal actions in these projects and it would be fairly to no block me there.88.82.168.217 02:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Spamming 36 different wikis is cross-wiki vandalism and is a ground for locking the account. That you continued to do it on a couple of wikis after the account being locked doesn't do it any better for you.

Doing good on some wikis doesn't allow you to vandalise other wikis, so I have no intention on lifting the lock. If you think that the locking of the account is wrong, then you could place a request on Steward requests/Global. -- Tegel _(Talk) 18:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Stop. I don't think the blocking my "guest" wiki sub-accounts is wrong. And I don't ask you to unlock these sub-accounts. But where is the sense to block my account in projects where I bring much good and did nothing illegal? Can you see the difference? Best regards, 88.82.168.217 23:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I can see the difference, but that is not how it works. Cross-wiki vandalism on 36 wikis results in a global lock of the account. And the global lock affects all WMF's wikis. -- Tegel _(Talk) 00:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I got it. Tell me please, is it possible just to kill all my sub-accounts and leave alone account in Russian wikipedia? It was before January 2012, when I create multy-project account.88.82.168.217 00:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It's technically possible, but this is not a valid reason. Now you only have one global account and that account is locked. -- Tegel _(Talk) 16:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It's kinda stupid rule I guess. To ban user with 1000 useful edits and 100 pictures loaded on Wiki Commons (without warning) for his actions in the different areas. As if you jumped red lights and the policeman take out your child for this. 88.82.168.217 23:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Isn't that comparison a little bit wrong? It was your account that did all the edits. It's not like I blocked your account for something that your children did on their account. You should have thought of that before you went cross-wiki. You did one edit on a wiki and then you went on to the next one. So a warning on the wiki that you just left would have no effect because you wouldn't see it. As I wrote above, doing good on some wikis doesn't allow you to vandalise other wikis. You could place a request on Steward requests/Global and see if some of the other Stewards makes another judgement. -- Tegel _(Talk) 00:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't understand my comparison (maybe it was poor comparison, sorry, my English is not good enough). It should be read so: as if you jumped red lights and the court judgement is "deprivation of Parental responsibility" 88.82.168.217 00:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that cross-wiki vandalism is a minor offence and should be allowed if you have done good edits elsewhere? Or do you think that the penalty was too hard based on what you did? I have explained above how you should do to get a second opinion on the lock. -- Tegel _(Talk) 01:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Surely, the second one. The red light jumping must be punished. But not by deprivation of Parental responsibility. I accept that blocking me in wikis where I vandalised (and where supposed to) is right. But there was no need to block me in Russian wiki. Yep, I guess I should make a request to Steward requests/Global. Just wanted to discuss this situation with admin who locked me. 88.82.168.217 02:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Opps!

Sorry about creating the new page, I thought I was on another wiki server! Truly sorry :( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.72.150.251 (talk • contribs) .

No problem. That happens now and then. -- Tegel _(Talk) 18:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

You blocked my private VPN IP

This isn't a proxy and this isn't public, you need to pay to use that IP, so please unblock it. Wikimedia never said being anonymous was forbidden. It is the use of open proxies thaa anybody can use that is forbidden. 46.246.20.43 17:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

If you read No open proxies you can see that open and anonymous proxys is handled in the same way and can be blocked at any time. It's not illegal to edit thou a proxy or anonymous service, but there is no guarantee that it will work. As in your case. It doesn't matter if you have to pay or not. You just have to use your normal IP-address when editing Wikipedia. But something tells me that you, for some reason, can't use your normal IP-address. -- Tegel _(Talk) 17:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

A VPN is not something you can disable like that, it is used permanently for all Internet connections types, disconnecting it means it will cut all connections of all softwares connected to the Internet. The way I read the policy, private proxies are allowed since it is explicitly said only public proxies are not allowed, so not using your real IP is not forbidden, or why they would mention "public". Also a VPN isn't a proxy, unlike a proxy it governs all connections at all times without having to configure any software. A VPN service provider isn't different that an ISP, and you can contact my VPN provider to get my IP. 46.246.20.43 23:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Private proxy, or as in this case an anonymous service, is not forbidden, but may be blocked without any reason. Do you really think that a company that makes it's business from protecting user will let me have your real IP-address? That is bad for business. And this is a public service. You just have to pay for it. I say it again, you have to use your normal IP-address when editing Wikipedia. -- Tegel _(Talk) 01:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

If you really think I will cut my connection for something like wikipedia then you must be out of your mind. 46.246.20.43 04:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

That's your choice. If you don't want to show your real IP-address there is always the option to create an user account. Then you're more anonymous and your IP-address is protected by the privacy policy. Unless you already have an account, that is the only other option I can give you. -- Tegel _(Talk) 08:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

"inet addr:192.168.88.24 Bcast:192.168.88.255 Mask:255.255.255.0" <-- This is my real IP, how do I ise it to access your site? My entire ISP routs traffic trough Anonie so I do not have any other public IP than my Anonine IP. All other ISP:s in my area does similar things. They either route everything trough a VPN provider or they block access to everything but such a provider. There are dozens of reasons why blocking by IP is ALWAYS a bad idea, and with the new EU laws forcing smal providers to shut down the use of anything but VPN:s (or handle exabytes of logs) you will be shutting out most of EU with this policy.

192.168.88.24 is a private IP-adddress and is not used on the Internet. Do you use a router at home? Could you say what ISP you are using?

If you create an account from an open IP-address you can get exemption from the IP-block locally on the wiki that you want to edit. But then you can only edit that wiki, and it's up to the local community if they would allow you to be exempted from the IP-block. Normally that would be difficult for a new user. That is what I can offer you today, unless you can give me more information on who the ISP is so I can assess the situation in a better way. -- Tegel _(Talk) 17:05, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I live in a swedish housing cooperative which is also my ISP. As they own the wires I can not easily swith to a ISP that provide public IP adresses. They are not leagally an ISP as they do not provide public aresses, which saves them a huge amount of cash in hardware and software resquired in order to log everything we do on the Internet so they have no plans in handing me or anyone else a public IP. All my friends also live in apartmants where landlords face similar problems and have only private IP:s as a result.

Also please note that fresh statistics show that about 10% of the Swedish population is affected by this and is thereby blocked from editing wikipedia. Having a small tech support company I am flooded by calls from people that meet a access denied page if they try to access anything but Anonine or Relakks.

I do realize that the only reliable solution like this is using something else then IP:s as internet identities. Why doesnt Wikipedia support OpenID, WebID or some other high-level identity solution?

Wikipedia will not use any third-party services, so that's not going to be possible. Unfortunately, abuse often occurs on such shared IPs - so a few bad apples ruin the whole bushel. Things will improve when Wikimedia begins to use IPv6.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:35, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

It's like Jasper say, we have had too much problem with user that uses Anonine and other similar services. Someone acts as the ISP with an external IP-address. Anonine doesn't act as an ISP. If you create an account from another IP-address, you can use that account from home. As I explained above. Can you provide a link to the statistics about the 10% affected Swedes? -- Tegel _(Talk) 23:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses plenty of 3:d party services... like for example the internet, e-mail and reverse DNS. There must be a less idiotic way to handle identity then IP bans. I do not really se why supporting OpenID or BrowserID (Formerly WebID) would be that much of a problem. Also there is not really a need for 3:d party service, internal measures like web of trust could be used, like letting a invite from a non-banned member ovverride the IP-ban.

"It's like Jasper say, we have had too much problem with user that uses Anonine and other similar services.". Thats because you rely on IP banning which is notoriously unreliable.

"Someone acts as the ISP with an external IP-address.". Yes the ISP has an external IP address. But we are talking about users which dont.

"If you create an account from another IP-address, you can use that account from home. As I explained above." When a decreasing ammount of users have access to "another IP-adress" this is a problematic approach.

"Can you provide a link to the statistics about the 10% affected Swedes?". I can find you the article from the swedish paper that reported it, if that would be useful for you? However it is in swedish...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 46.246.17.92 (talk • contribs) .

The IP-block is only for those without accounts today. If it will be more common with OpenID and that type of system, then we might see support for that in the MediaWiki software. Until then we have to work with the functions that we have.

Om du hade tittat på min användarsida hade du sett att svenska inte är ett problem, så skicka gärna en länk till artikeln. -- Tegel _(Talk) 07:49, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello.

See you later. Give my regard to your beloved Becky. ;)

91.207.8.26

This block reason surprises me (I noticed because I watch Chapter-selected Board seats/2012/Process) considering the range contribs [1] which suggests it's just one naughty person playing with various wikis, and so a temporary block (1 week - 1 month?) should suffice.

Please reply on my talk page. Deryck C. 20:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I will reply here, but I will notify you about the reply. It's to be considered standard to block proxy servers or similar servers for 1-3 years, due to that the IP-address doesn't change that often. And the hole subnet was already globally blocked.

As I assume that you are aware of, open proxys can be blocked without having done any real damage to the projects and is normally given the longest non-permanent block set as default at that particular wiki.

If it only been a "comment spammer" the block time would have been more in the range 24-36 hours. -- Tegel _(Talk) 00:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

That surprises me even more - someone managed to edit from the range without logging in even though it's globally rangeblocked? Deryck C. 06:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Meta is not covered by the global block. That is so it would be possible to come to Meta to appeal for a removal of the block or to apply for a Global IP-block exemption. -- Tegel _(Talk) 07:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request

Hello! Could you please unblock this IP range in kkwiki? A 1 month range block will cause collateral damage. I tried to fight this vandal to destabilize my anger. --112.210.37.192 02:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

As I mentioned to you this night on IRC, this is a local block and it's nothing that I can do something about.

You mentioned an article that you was working on where the same IP-address was blocked on Commons just 5 minutes later. I asked you for a reason why that happened, because I suspect that you are the reason why the rangeblock is in place. You didn't reply on that, but you can reply here instead. -- Tegel _(Talk) 16:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry for replying you. It was a troublemaker who requested articles in Kazakh and stopped me from editing constructively. I am involved in a collateral damage to the uninvolved users. I'll bring this message to Sibom, who is currently a provisional admin at kkwiki. --112.210.76.218 01:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Abuse

Är i kontakt med en ISP om trakasserier här, de vill veta "Vilken ip-adress på er sida som användaren har anslutit till". Vet du vilken/vilka, eller kan du få reda på detta? Det rör sig om meta, sv, en, nl, fr, de och da.wikipedia. -- Lavallen 08:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

De som jag kan tänka mig ha svaret är systemadministratörerna. Det är servrar både i USA och i Europa och flera servrar på samma plats för lastdelning, som kan ha olika IP-adresser beroende på hur lastdelningen är gjord. -- Tegel _(Talk) 03:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I65.232.286.357

Hi Tegel, I65.232.286.357 was a sockpuppet of the Astrotroll and has now been locked by Tanvir. Greetings, Mathonius (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the information. I put a global block on the IP-address that the user used recently on sv.wiki. It was on the list and had been blocked before. -- Tegel _(Talk) 15:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)