User talk:Verdy p

My main discussion page is on the French edition of Wikipédia. But you may write here, as I will come regularly on Meta too. See: w:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Verdy p. Thanks.

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Hi Verdy p. Can you show kindness to other users, gathering your edits in a much less number? Now your edit is a flood on Recentchanges. You can help other editors to mark a checkbox for "minor edit".

Thank you for your consideration. --Aphaia 16:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm editing my own javascript (in my user space) and attempting to load it, but I constantly get an unexplainable error.

Well I'll check "minor edit"... thanks for noting that it hurts you

I deleted part of the script which causes problems. Now it works.

For some unknown reasons, IE does not like some Javascript syntax, but actually I don't need that part of the script.

Verdy P 16:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Congrats for your successful settings. It is understandable you needed to try many times, since you couldn't utilize with "preview" as well normal editing.

And thank you for your understanding. Minor edits marking is helpful in many occasions: you can distinguish major version ups and minors with it. I was a bit surprised, but not so bothered. So don't mind, and sorry if my wording sounded very annoying.

Eh, in my humble opinion, IE wouldn't be the best browser in some occasions ... but anyway it was solved. Again, congrats :-) --Aphaia 17:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I also use Firefox, but I need to check the results in IE too. Don't tell me the browser to use, as I can choose myself, and Wikimedia has official support for IE that can't be neglected... Sorry if this sounds harsh, the issue is closed as I found a solution for the problem. Have a nice day. Verdy P 17:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Posting email addresses

please repost that long screed you just posted but with the email addresses removed. Thank you. ++Lar: t/c 04:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... i have deleted the emails (keeping just the first initial of the domain, they are not usable emails)

I can't be very mild, because of the fact that the stewards have used tools that were not what was requested:

notably they have used delete tools, or a speedy deletion procedure, instead of renaming.

I have not asked any deletion (except the current SUL global id and this was done)

I don't understand what had been done after this, this has nothing in common to what I have requested.

Will has done that apparently, and I don't understand that he diod not understand my request, because he explained me in an email what he would do. I replied OK to what he described, but this is not what he did.

So now I have accounts deleted (insted of being renamed), as well as deleted pages.

And I can no longer access to English wikipedia, and cannot even recreate an account there (due to restrictions based on similarity of names).

I think that some tests have garbed the letter case, or he made an error. I know it was tricky, but I detailed each time the expected letter case for the last letter "p" in my user name.

Due to the current speedy deletion procedures still going on, this will even worsen, if nothing is stopped to avoid more damages.

May be Will did not make any error, but this signals another bug in the admin tools. I have NOT requested all this havoc. Verdy P 04:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Note: don't attempt to write to me on the English wikipedia: there's no way for me to reply there, and in fact I don't know how to reconnect to my english pages and history there "Verdy P" (capital P) because the account has been incorrectly deleted and cannot be recreated by me due to similarity with the existing "verdy_p" (lowercase p) account that I DON'T WANT).

Preferably use my email address you know, or contact me on the talk page of my home wiki wikipedia:fr:utilisateur:verdy_p that is not concerned by all these errors (not caused by me)... Verdy P 04:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand your frustration but you do not have to get mean here. We are not en:wp, and we do the best we can. Will also means well, I know him and have worked with him and if he made a mistake, if you can explain to him what needs doing he will work with you. SUL has bumps but it is a good thing. Thanks for editing out that info. ++Lar: t/c 04:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, perhaps I'm not being clear. I am sorry you ran into trouble with SUL but you need to not be so mean to everyone. If you don't stop casting aspersions on others, you may be blocked here on meta to stop the disruption, which will certainly interfere with your getting your situation resolved. Here is my suggestion. Be polite. Slow down, listen to what other people are saying, try to follow their instructions closely (your going into SUL early apparently was part of the issue), assume good faith when they try to help you and most of all stop with the tendentious and caustic comments. I am not kidding. PS, please reply here, instead of at my talk, I prefer to keep conversations threaded. I will be moving your reply to me back to here to keep it all together. ++Lar: t/c 12:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of accounts

Regarding your note to WJBscribe, I'm posting this note to you to clarify a few minor points:

• Regarding WJBscribe:

1. WJBscribe, while a bureaucrat with the ability to delete pages and rename users, cannot actually delete accounts using his on-wiki tools.

   Deletion has occured on "verdy_p2004", and was even requested by him... with a pending "speed deletion" request still remaining for "verdy_p" that I have not asked myself. verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

2. WJBscribe does not have SQL access to the database as a sysadmin, no toolserver access (not that this would help), and he has no svn access. I have just checked the developer wiki and there is no entry showing a deletion of your account by anyone with such access, even if they would grant that sort of request, which they would not. Plainly put, he does not have the access to delete your account, and would have no motivation to do so if he had.

   So may be this is someone else that performed the other things. The account Verdy_P is deleted despite the user page and its history is still there: I can't reconnect to it, MediaWiki says that there's no such user!. verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

3. WJBscribe has performed two operations, both renames (which automatically move the userpages and reassign the edits to the new username), no other actions. I've left the relevant log entries at Steward_requests/SUL_requests#User:Verdy_p. I've checked: He has not deleted any pages pertaining to you at all.

   So those operations were bogous and there's a bug. Seriously, he did not make only that: see the speedy deletion requests! and the now missing user account verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Regarding SUL renames, you can perform these steps to make sure your rename and contribution reassignments go smoothly:

1. Move to Meta and request that the global account be deleted and mention that you've verified that all your current accounts have valid, current email addresses set.

   This was already done. The SUL account was disunified after I had checked that all accounts registered in SUL were confirmed, and before he (and some other admins) performed the various operations.

2. Request that the account with your edits be renamed to your desired username, on that wiki. Note to the bureaucrats that you will be logging out so as to not corrupt the process. Log out on Wikipedia

   I can't request it because I can no longer connect to it. Will was the EN.WP bureaucrat that proposed to perform these renames. We exchanged emails for doing that. He explained what he would do, but visibly what he did does not reflect the current state of the accounts. verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

3. Immediately log out. Check Wikipedia to make sure you aren't logged in. If you are, visit en:special:userlogout. For this process to work correctly, you need to be logged out, otherwise you risk accidentally creating a new account on Wikipedia.

   That's the most tricky part: how can I know that all operartios are done without connecting? Anyway I can't connect now to Verdy_P (user no longer exists, but it has NOT been renamed verdy_p because very_p has NOT been renamed verdy_p2008 as indicated.) So there must have been some collisions between admins/b'crats/others taking my request in charge. verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a terrible process, granted, and the developers are working on the kinks, but the fact of the matter is that there are issues, and normal users like you, me, and WJBscribe can only do so much.

WJBscribe has done exactly what you asked, from what I can tell, and only the bugs inherent in how the system creates accounts has caused you these problems. Frankly, I think you owe him an apology. Kylu 06:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

An apology for what? He has still not explained me directly what he did. I am left with no clue, and no access to EN.WP to request something. I could owe you to send me an apology for the quirks and bugs in the whole SUL and renaming bugs remaining. But in fact, if this is really a bug, I hope that developers will investigate what really happened, because nothing has happened the way I requested and confirmed. This process for now looks only destructive and certainly not harmless. It has failed for some reasons that I cannot explain myself because I have followed the indicated procedures, and really I can't determine who or what is to blame as the cause of the account losses. verdy_p 06:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

You owe him an apology for the tone you have taken. Read what Kylu is telling you, carefully. If you keep demanding apologies and being abusive, if you keep being confrontational, you may find yourself blocked. Slow down, be nice, assume others mean well when they are trying to help you and above all, be nice. Oh did I remember to add "be nice" ?? I mean it. I am not kidding. ++Lar: t/c 12:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way, but the more people you assault with the attitude (regardless of how you've been treated in the past), the fewer people willing to assist you with your problems. At the moment, I've got the ability to assist users with SUL issues on Meta, currently including (when it's a clear cut case) deleting a global account or unmerging local accounts if needed. As you've demanded an apology from someone (me) who has only tried to give an alternate means of correcting the issue you're facing and pointing out that others will not find your behavior appropriate, I've become one of the users that can help you that will decide not to. You don't have many more opportunities to correct this.

I suggest in the future, please ask for help without the confrontational tone: Everyone on Meta is a volunteer and is trying to help users with the problems and snags they've run across. While sympathetic, we're not responsible for the problems that have plagued you. Kylu 07:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I was not confrontational in my first requests, until some one suggested this could be interpreted like this; that's when i saw "speedy deletion requests" that I was very irritated. And then when I saw that all my preferences were lost and apparently nothing was moved, and that I coulkd see the user pages and discussion left in wikipedia:en:User:Verdy P that I could no longer access with a user account, that I fell very nervous.

Anyway there was effectively a bug: the accounts were renamed, but only the history was moved; the following were NOT moved: the user preferences, the user's pages, and the user's talk pages.

This has created lot of confusion about with which account to proceed, because a new account was reusing the old user pages left by another renamed account. And I am now currently correcting all these left areas to recover from the situation.

I'll also empty the pages in User:Verdy_P (after verifying they are transfered) because they no longer belong to my account.

You shoudl know and explain to others that renaming accounts does NOT move everything, and at least not even the user preferences and user's pages (this would require moving with redirects, with possible caveats left by those redirects if someone else reuse the freed account).

I wonder how users with conflicting usernames whose one is renamed to leave the place to someone else, are managing the situation... And this may explain why the German wiki rejects all account rename requests. Another against the too mimited strategy currently used in SUL: it really must be corrected so that different usernames can be supported without requiring any renaming. verdy_p 08:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My lost accounts en en.wp (verdy_p)

(moved from my talk, please keep it here)

In the SUL requests, you can see an exchange related to the situation of my accounts on EN.WP. Sorry if this appears to be not very mild, but I am in sort of emergency, because data has been deleted by Will, and this does not match any of the request por what he has described.

Apparently all things got garbled, and there's even been some attempt to merge accounts (I was told this was not possible) notably the very old account verdy_p2004 that did not need any change, but has been partly merged into the history of Verdy_P (capital P), then the account Verdy_P has been deleted (but not verdy_p2004). This is really not what I have asked.

Additionally verdy_p (created automatically by SUL in the last few days) was not renamed to verdy_p2002 as requested, instead it was speedy marked for speedy deletion. (verdy_p2008 does not exist).

Finally I can no longer access to any account on EN.WP... except the one that I don't want to keep and created by SUL a few days ago. Everything is garbled. Verdy P 04:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Lar's logged out and gone to bed. He won't likely see this note until tomorrow night at the earliest. Kylu 05:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I had went to bed. I doubt very much that WJBScribe deleted anything. Or merged anything. He doesn't have the ability to do so. I think you are confused and you need to slow down and listen carefully while this is sorted out, and not go do things until everyone tells you it's clear to do so. I think at least part of this problem may have been caused by you not following directions... ++Lar: t/c 12:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I followed the directions. You just don't know the whole story. In fact ONLY the user accunts were moved, but absolutely nothing that were attached to those accounts:

• The users' home page were not moved, so the accounts were pointing to pages from old account
• The users' talk pages were not moved, so all discussions were still pointing on the old accounts
• The users' preferences were not moved, but instead blank preferences were generated, with only the password and email set, and the user's signatures were not moved, but mixed...
• The users subpages (/monobook.js and /monobook.css and so on) were not moved

So absolutely in the accounts after the move was indicating that the moves had occured. All appears as if someone else had stolen all the settings. This was never explained by anyone or in the documentation pages.

For this reason, I had to manually copy/paste the contents of user pages, and to recreate all the preferences. This has completely mixed the histories. I had also to blank all user pages belonging to Verdy_P on en.wp, because they were still there but no longer associated to my account. Someone should have said that renaming accounts was only moving the passwords and blanking all user preferences, but the new accounts after renaming could now point to user pages left by another renamed account.

This requires documentation somewhere because this process is extremely confusive. Maybe others have not experienced this problem because their target account was completely new, so they immediately saw that their user pages were completely new nd had to be transfered after the account renaming.

But for all user accounts that are renamed to avoid conflicts across different SUL users, this situation will be misleading: the users will still get the user pages from another unrelated user.

Also loosing all the preferences after renaming accounts is certainly a bug to correct in the admin tool used by bureaucrats. And these limitations must be told to bureaucrats because visibly they (possibly even you) even don't know about this very confusive caveat.

verdy_p 14:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikispecies

Thanks for your kind words and appreciation towards Wikispecies. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Persian

Hi. I saw your vote for the Persian wikinews. just for your information. Take care.--Mani1 10:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

What? Where and when ? What's the relation with your Google search??? verdy_p 08:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Duplicated

you haven`t understand my editions. I eliminate duplicated rows. You have reverted my edition, but then you had to restore my work. You have reached the same point that I. And If got angry is because it isn`t the first time i made that work. Crazymadlover

What? where? and then??? -- verdy_p 08:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Translation

Please do not just create blank sources if you do not know the languages. Redlinks are good to track progress. Please also discuss major changes before you do them and use edit summaries. Cbrown1023 talk 14:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

OK but I followed the procedure, and indicated the tracking version id, and the status in the table... as indicated... verdy_p 14:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

If you create the page with the source know, what happens when we make a change the source? The new translations will not have an updated source because we already created it for them. It lowers confusion when they jsut click the "missing" link and create it themselves. Thank you for being bold, but major changes should not be done in the middle of a big project without any discussion. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 14:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It was using inconsistant bolds, ... I just corrected it, also saw that some that were in progress were not, and were already copies of the English file. That's why I wanted a clear distinction of missing translations. (Only a minor visual aspect was the status in italic, to ease the distinction with the language name (and the black color was for the box, instead of red when in progress. Is that really a major change ?

Finally when I saw the multicolor column, it was just hard to see what was really completed (that's why I reordered the list by status, but apparently you don't like it. It does notmatter much anyway, I'll keep the alphatic order of codes...)

verdy_p 14:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

All the changes at once that I see when I get up in the morning is considered major. :-) The black really hurts the eyes and outweighs all the other ones... italics would be fine, I agree with you that it makes it look better. The ones that were just copies of the English file (I hope) were done by translators for that language (I would think that they are like "okay, I'm going to translate this, let's prepare"). The re-ordering makes it difficult to find your own language and is kinda icky to update (it's also a lot different the normal, which is not something we want in a big drive). I appreciate your attempts to make it look better. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

/me embrasse verdy_p for translating so much :D Cbrown1023 talk 21:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Global notifications

Hello Verdy p,
I replied to your suggestions at Talk:Global_notifications (will use subpages as soon as possible); but I think your last post there might have belonged elsewhere (other discussion)? --- Nice regards, Melancholie 20:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo in each language

Hey Verdy p. Wow, great work with Wikipedia logo in each language! I've actually been working on collecting slogans for all the Wikimedia logos on a subpage of mine. I think all of the Wikipedia ones on that page are the most up-to-date (there are both corrections to the original translation and new translations for some missing languages on there), so you might want to sync the translations on Wikipedia logo in each language with my subpage. I was planning on doing this myself when I finished the chart, or getting rid of that page, but now that you've expanded the page, it would be great if you could update the translations. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 19:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Note that some logos in some wikipedia are questionable. Notably I have been looking for the correct translation in the Dzongkha language, and the logo seems really incorrect (too many ts’ég signs, incorrect vowel signs, extra questionable consonnants, and very poor rendering). verdy_p 21:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to find the appropriate fonts for non-Latin scripts. Ideally, the italic style should be restored for Latin/Script/Cyrillic, I'm trying to document those scripts where they work correctly with the documetned fonts.

I am updating the Logo template page (which should really become a true template... but I did not rename it). verdy_p 21:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Translator, We need you!

Dear Verdy p,

You have helped us in previous years with translations and for that we are most grateful. Now we turn towards the 2011/12 fundraiser. It may seem forever away, but work has already begun getting everything ready to go. This year we want to have landing pages covering as many countries in as many languages as possible.

Right now, we want to figure out who is interested in translating for the fundraiser. This year we're hoping to have more of a solidified "core" group of translators that we can count on to have work done by a few key dates, but we'd also welcome help from people who are willing to just help out when they can.

If you would be interested please take a look at this little sign-up survey and fill it out http://survey.wikimedia.org/index.php?sid=13638&newtest=Y&lang=en. With that we can start building a list of people and filling any gaps in the languages we serve.

Many Thanks

Joseph Seddon (User:Jseddon (WMF))

Production Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
Jseddon (WMF) 00:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with board election translations

For your help with board election translations.

Hi! As member of this year's board election committe I would like to give you this barnstar for your help with the translations of the board election pages into French. It was very much appreciated! Jon Harald Søby 13:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Change in translations

Hi, and thank you for your activity with fundraiser translations so far!! I have one small request to make: We had to change three of the appeals; the change is the same in all of them, and the replacement text is quite short, so I don't want to e-mail people just to fix that, and that's why I'm asking you instead. It would be great if you could do the following fixes in French:

• Jimmy Letter 002
• Kaldari Letter (remember the change from 420 million to 422 million)
• Alan Letter

Since these are small changes you don't have to go through the cycle of having it proofread and everything, unless you are unsure about the translation. Thanks in advance. :-) Jon Harald Søby (WMF) 05:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. I also translated to French the Wikipedia Editors Survey November 2011 as I was asked to (it needs proofreading even though I corrected almost all minor typos I think; reviewers may want to adjust some terms). verdy_p 20:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Main page templates

Hi, I noticed you made significant changes to the templates on the main page though appearance did not seem to change. I'd like to know what parts you didn't particularly like or found difficult. I am glad you are helping :) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 23:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

This is because of a problem of maintenance of languages, and many trandlations were not displayed. I have used the centralized Template to perform autotranslation, without the complication of multiple templates to edit and maintain separately. Now, the translations are really complete and displayed properly, wherever they are provided. (The "WM News/code" template was really bad, it adds nothing and in fact complicates things a lot).

Those edits needed to help maintenance are still not finished, I've tried to not change the appearance at all on purpose: it is normal that you don't see changes most of the time, notably if you use English as your prefered local language. Try displaying pages with "?uselang=code" or change your local language preference, and you'll see the improvements. verdy_p 23:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I have been working very hard to internationalize the meta main page. Indeed there are problems that need to be addressed. I introduced WM News/code to simplify and allow multi-lingual support. Your method makes more sense but the worry of mine is that its in essence a template within a template which is difficult for people who don't know how templates work. I only hope to improve the status quo. :) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 18:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

It is not a template within a template. It just avoids maintaining mutiple long lists of languages. I made that after I realized that some languages were not included and made visible. And it was almost equivalent to another template that realized this lang-switch (that I have also extended).

The syntax is not more complicate. In fact you have used a template within a template by using a template only to pass the name of another template to call by reference (invokations of templates by reference is costly on the server as it cannot determine which one to preload and cache, and in fact will never cache any one in this case). verdy_p 01:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Hi! I just want to thank you and give you this barnstar for your help with the translation of the 2011 fundraiser! The fundraiser was the best we ever had, both in terms of the amount we collected and in terms of number of translations. We couldn't have done either one without the help we got from you and other translators. If you are interested, we made a report, which has some statistics about the translations.

And: I have one more request, and that is that you take this survey. You may have got an e-mail about it, and if you did, please ignore this. But if you didn't it would be great if you would take this survey too, so we can learn to improve the translation experience.

Again, thanks for your help with translations – you're awesome! Jon Harald Søby (WMF) 14:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

thank you for your translation!

Thanks for your translation!

Hi Verdy, thank you very much for the French translation you did of the Affiliations Committee article on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. We've just published the blog post and greatly appreciate your help making it more accessible to more people! Matthew (WMF) (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Note that your publication in the Blog does NOT match the translation I did and checked (which is still correct at its source on Wikimedia Blog/Drafts/Affiliations committee blog post/fr).

The blog publication replaces the correct link :

association locale (ou « chapitre ») Wikimedia

whose target and meaning was perfectly right, into the incorrect link :

Protocole Wikimedia

which is completely wrong (no meaning) and goes to nowhere where it is pointing to.

Visibly, the blog article was modified by someone that does not understand French or with malicious intent...

In addition, various typos have been added in the blog publication, thoughout it which are definitely NOT in my source (missing spaces, incorrect punctuation, modified words with some not even in French).

Who created the blog entry, or who modified it after your publication ?

verdy_p (talk) 00:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

From Tarandine Wikipedia

My Dear, I don't know why the choose in the past has been roa-tara. Personally, I don't like this code I prefer, it possible it-x-ta. But, I want to know, if possible after few years by this wiki born, change its code? What happens all interwiki links if this code changes? Where Can I send a request for code changing? Can you are so kindly to answer these questions? Thank you in advance --Joetaras (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

All interwikis can continue to work (in a transition time), by

• asking to the admins of WMF DNS servers to create a new domain name "it-x-ta.wikipedia.org" pointing to the same webserver as the current domain.
• changing the "roa-tara.wikipedia.org" domain name to become a "CNAME" alias to the new prefered domain name (all existing links will continue to work).
• adding the new code "it-x-ta" to the interwiki maps (to be performed in the MediaWiki configuration files used by all Wikimedia servers)
• informing the community that they can use the new code, and that MediaWiki bots will be allowed to transform the old codes to the new codes in pages containing these interwiki links. The conversion may take a long time during which the two codes will coexist.
• But yes the Language comity must be involved to approve and organise this change (I already approve it, as I saif in the talk page of the Main page of this Tarandine Wikipedia). In fact I had already replied there what could be done, and what were the possible options to conform to existing Internet standards (BCP 47).

verdy_p (talk) 22:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Wrong translate tagging

Please don't add markers manually. Thanks, Nemo 13:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)