User talk:Wing

[edit] Congratulations

Hi dude! Hello from brazil!

Why not learn the language of the fifth largest country by geographical area in the world? Portuguese!

Congrats for the Election!

bye!

I would like to. But I am not a genius and so I have to learn them one after the other. lol. --Wing 13:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

-- Congratulations man, I hope you make a good job ;)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.27.86.152 (talk • contribs) . --

[edit] Quartile energy

It has been dormant. I have been thinking the same thing since Wikimania, however. We still have our irc channel. I was thinking specifically about running a two-month "how to publish a newsletter" session during the production of the next edition, to help train newbies in what is involved. +sj | help with translation |+ 08:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we could do much better in terms of parallel translations today, since we actually have so many more talented multilingual people -- but somehow we have fewer multilingual communication channels. One of the difficulties in sustaining interest in the Quarto process was the lack of other many-language efforts other than the translation of the week. Some sort of brief announcements that are little more than an exercise in 30-language synchronized publishing might help there. +sj | help with translation |+ 08:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I think you speak of two very critical points. The one is recruiting authors, the other is translating. How was these done in the past? On the authoring side I am thinking of invite people write articles, and I would also accept people write articles in their own language and try to find translators to do the translation for them. How do you think of this?--Wing 13:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

To recruit, one should target four groups : authors, translators, designers, and [copy]editors/proofreaders. The translators do more work than anyone, but it is easy to schedule and can be split up across dozens of people. Authors can be harder to find, and this requires people with some real interest in writing a complete piece -- as you note, it should be in their native language, or the one in which it is easiest to compose. Designers have an interesting task, and for the right people, an enjoyable one -- giving more attention to great images and media, and laying out the text flow around them. Copyeditors in each language need to make sure the articles make sense, and have no typos or broken links. Final editors need to see that the whole work is balanced and meaningful, to keep individual people in touch with one another, and to maintain the schedule.

We recruited by writing to the quarto and translators mailing lists, and to individual project lists to ask for article ideas. Today, as there are more individual project-level publications, I would start by contacting some of those groups first, and starting a discussion with them before making the broader call for participation. +sj | help with translation |+ 21:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Classical Chinese Wikipedia discussion: No Original Research

Wing, On your comment in the mailing list [1]:

Please consider that "No Original Research" is refers mostly to the information and not so much the way you write it; otherwise all translation, and even many a wikipedia article, would contain a lot of original "research". Hillgentleman 05:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bravo !

Félicitations pour ton élection !

--Jérôme Clament-Sanz 23:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution of GFDL-licensed content on Wikipedia for Schools

Hi Ting - I hope your term as Trustee is going well. I just read a blog post from Danny Wool here that points out, quite correctly, that the content of Wikipedia for Schools does not comply with the GFDL's requirements. This means that the WMF is essentially stealing content written by thousands of Wikipedia contributors. As one of the community's representatives on the Board of Trustees, could you do something about this? Best, Sarcasticidealist 22:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your response on this, Wing. Sarcasticidealist 23:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations from Aguri

Hi dear, [Aguri] from Libya says congratulations for you...best wishes dear.--77.98.145.14 19:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Translation- Machine Vs Human: Use across Wikipedias in any Language

My posting on Translation Request talk page http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Translation_requests&action=edit&section=7 Patelurology2 01:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost interview request

Wing, I invite you to answer a set of questions for the Wikipedia Signpost about your board candidacy: w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009 Board elections/Ting Chen. If you choose to do so, please let me know. I also encourage you to respond by 26 July; interviews with all candidates who respond will be publicized in the 27 July issue of the Signpost.

Faithfully, Ragesoss 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

Congrats on topping the field for a second straight year, Wing, and good luck over the next two years. Sarcasticidealist 20:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations for you reelection, keep on the good work. Dror_K 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You were definitely amongst my favorite candidates and I am glad you make it again this year. Congratulations, --Góngora _(T•ES) 21:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Second year in a row. Glad that I placed my confidence in the right person. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That is an excellent sign. Now we really have to try to revive regular multilingual communication to the community. I look forward to seeing you soon. -- sj | translate | + 22:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) -- phoebe 21:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Same from me Wing. You deserve to have more time for the job ! My trust is in you. Anthere

Gratuliere! --MaanMeis 01:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Bon courage! --JijunMa 02:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

呃...无意在头顶看到了选举公布，留言恭喜一下。--奔流沙 05:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, keep up the good work as before. PhoneixS 07:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!--章·安德魯 11:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!--87.109.205.245 14:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

恭喜恭喜！--PhiLiP 15:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] congratulations

I am very happy for your victory, I´m a new user in es wikipedia and i only want to wish you happiness and prosperity in the mandate, I only ask you to be benevolent and friendly and have good luck in the future Attentivly: NazcaiN

[edit] Hi i am new on wikipedia

i saw your name being a ranker , congratulations for that , i wanted to write an article in fact i wrote many previously but all got deleted. I don't know what should i do about it could you please help me , since i think its been a bit harsh on my part that i have been writing articles and even specifying the significance of the same but they are been deleted so brutally. Can you please help me out with this :) my email address is kalpit.nagrecha@yahoo.com

Kalpit.nagrecha 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Best wishes from Germany and India: What's about China and the rest of the world ?

Hello, Wing! Meine besten Glückwünsche... Congrats for the election as top no 1. as I see you are multi-lingual and you enjoy my own native language (Willkommen in Deutschland), same on my own I am heavily involved working with India and it's huge musical culture. So I wish you to connect China with the rest of the world, peacefully, in harmony and with respect... we need more than ever a "hand in hand". Good luck ! - --JayAr 18:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Gratulation aus Nordeutschland

Moin, moin, Wing, herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Wahlerfolg! Viel Glück und Erfolg und stets eine ruhige und geduldige Prüfung aller Optionen wünscht --93.223.127.250 18:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Herzlichen Glückwunsch

Hallo Wing, herzlichen Glückwunsch und für gute deutsch-chinesische-englische-französische Beziehungen! --80.136.197.31 21:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Congratulations for win the 2009 Board Elections! Good luck! =) Tosão 19:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Вітаю! - on Ukrainian! Хай щастить! - Good luck! Nickispeaki 20:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

You were my second choice after Kat Walsh, who also got in. Overall you were the best candidate. This proves this works. Now get busy and thank you for doing this! --Cerejota 06:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

It is late to say congratulations. but really glad to know the chinese do this for the wiki project. I am Chinese who are director in Wikimedia UK chapter. Can you drop me email and we can share more, zeyi.he@wikimedia.org.uk.

Zeyi 14:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal: The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

Hello, Wing!

   I am a professional anthropologist and at the same time, a man with considerable experience as a politician and as a party to legal conflicts. I am very interesting by those most bitter conflicts in the Wikipedia community around the creation of Wikipedia in those or other languages. This, in particular, the sharp conflicts over language: Volapük, Lombardian, Siberian, Klingon, Quenya, Toki Pona, Moldovan.

[I note that the closing pages of the Moldovan and Siberian languages was partly inspired by political motives, respectively, the representatives of Romanian and Russian languages. There is no doubt in the existence of a group of Siberian dialects of the Russian language, and there is no doubt in the existence of a formal written language, which was called "Moldovan" and was considered different from Romanian.]

I believe that decisions on these matters do not meet many of the panellists. This means that the problem of the continued functioning of languages of the Wikipedia needs more regulation. Should be introduced simple and obvious rules, which could satisfy all. Moreover, these rules should be considered obvious and fair to all members of the Wikipedia community.

These rules I have set out in the form of a few simple and universal legal norms. These rules have a few sources.

Main source: These rules follow from the main purpose of Wikipedia. The purpose of Wikipedia - creating the most complete and high quality on-line version of the encyclopedia in all languages of the Earth.

Second source: own practice of the Wikipedia community (especially the Language committee) in dealing with such issues, the presence in the practice of historical precedents.

The third source: the general universal principles of law that have proved themselves throughout the history of mankind, and which recognized the basic legal systems of almost all States, except in the most odious dictatorships. In this case there are two such universal principles:

1) A person shall not be liable for the acts of illegality which he could not have known. In particular, it should not be punished for acts which at the time they were committed were not illegal.

2) If people are free to enjoy certain rights, these rights they can not be taken away or limited. This is a very important universal principle, which dictates the obvious solution of a number of the most violent conflicts in the Wikipedia community.

Based on this latter principle, those languages that already have existing Wikipedia pages, or who have already obtained the right to create such pages in the wiki-Incubator, in any case can not be denied the right to own Wikipedia.

Because of this legal principle should be necessary to reopen the languages of the Wikipedia: Klingon, Toki Pona, Moldovan and Siberian.

On the other hand, these Wikipedias have been closed due to fair and honest reasons. So we must not allow the emergence of similar pages in the future. For this purpose, and should be taken these guidelines.

The general rules of language use in Wikimedia

A. Rules of use of existing languages in Wikimedia

1) Any language of Wikimedia may not be removed from it.

2) Administrators of each active Wikipedia in any language are obliged to care about the quality of Wikipedia articles. In particular, there is considered unacceptable the bot-creation of the main part of Wikipedia articles in any language.

In case of serious doubt as Wikipedia in this language guide Wikimedia Foundation may require the removal of all articles that have been bot-uploaded.

3) If necessary, bad-quality Wikimedia to correct the deficiencies can be returned to the Wiki-incubator.

4) In case if the language is used in two or more writing systems, separate sections for each type of writing is not created. Instead, is necessary to create a program that can translate the contents of any article on this language from one writing system into another.

We are welcoming the creation for any language of Wikipedia, program that gives the contents of articles into the International Phonetic Alphabet, as well as program that translates into the Latin transcription of the contents of articles in those languages, which made other writing systems.

B. Rules for the establishment of Wikipedia and Wiki-Incubator for new languages

1) In the Wikipedia and Wiki-incubator can be created sections in any native (living or dead) language, having the code ISO 639-3.

2) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any living language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) there are people for whom this language is native;

b) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

c) there is a scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

d) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

3) In the Wikipedia can be created sections on any recently extinct language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) The language died out not earlier than 1850;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

4) In the Wikipedia can be created partitions on any dead language, not having the code ISO 639-3, if it satisfies the following conditions:

a) in that language existed and survived to the present day own rich literature;

b) there is a tutorial of the language;

c) these language has a modern literature and electronic sites;

d) there is the scientific description of the language: its vocabulary and grammar;

e) The Wikipedia has pages devoted to this language in English and at least three other languages.

5) All the languages that do not meet the criteria set out in paragraphs 1), 2), 3) and 4), are considered to be artificial.

In Wikipedia, there are sections of the following artificial (constructed) languages: Esperanto, Simple English, Ido, Novial, Intelingua, Interlingue (Occidental), Volapük, Lojban, Quenya, Klingon, Siberian, Toki Pona, and Lingua Franca Nova.

In the Wikipedia is not possible to create partitions on any other artificial languages.

As an exception, the decision to establish a section of Wikipedia in any other artificial language can be accepted Wikimedia Board of Trustees. In this case the language must meet all the requirements of paragraph 4) for the dead languages and have code ISO 639-3 and a level of development and popularity of not less than the Quenya in 2009.

6) If a native language has the code ISO 639-3, but does not satisfy the conditions about 2) or 3) or 4), proposal of this language can be rejected.

I believe that the adoption of these rules will remove all the stress and all the discussions around the language policy of Wikipedia.

My proposal regarding the registration of new languages

I don't propose “defining what makes a language”. If a language have own literature, this language is already defined as language by its writers, readers, editors and libraries. Every serious library takes account of each language separately. All modern libraries have electronic catalogs. If language has a website, this language is already defined as language by programmers.

There is website Ethnologue: “The purpose of the Ethnologue is to provide a comprehensive listing of the known living languages of the world. (…) Ancient, classical, and long-extinct languages are not listed (even though the ISO 639-3standard assigns codes to them), unless they are in current use (as in the scriptures or liturgy of a faith community)”.

So, I propose:

Profile (test questionnaire) for a new language of Wikipedia

1. Language name in English language.

2. Language name in native language.

3. Status of language: living, recently extinct, dead, artificial.

4. Its ISO 639-3 code (if exist).

5. Article about this language in English Wikipedia.

6. Articles about this language in three other Wikipedias.

7. Three some websites in this language.

8. Five modern (written at 20-21 century) books in this language with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.

9. Vocabulary of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.

10. Grammar of this language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.

For living languages:

11. Article about this language in website Ethnologue.

For recently extinct, dead, artificial languages:

12. Tutorial of the language as a book with electronic catalog of library or as a website.

For recently extinct languages:

13. Summary, that the language died out not earlier than 1850: quotations from authoritative sources (websites).

For dead languages:

14. Five published in 20-21 centuries books with ancient texts in this language, with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these books.

For artificial languages:

15. Educational institution with the state license, where this language is learned; with website of this institution.

16. Three different ongoing magazines in this languages with electronic catalogs of some libraries, where are these magazines.

If supporters of a new language are unable to complete the questionnaire, this language can not be accepted.

Best Regards,

Ihor Rassokha, Ukraine Paccoxa 19:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia's Role in the evolution of Proper Governance for a Truly Constituted "United Nations"

Could a board meeting of Wikimedia consider the proposal to start off a "Constitution for Planet Earth" as a new wiki project.... but one where contributors are properly identified (real names) for their contributions, and everything is properly date-stamped.

The idea would be to get the ball rolling to write a constitution for the planet that is truly authored by ALL - it could be "mentored" (but by no means controlled) by the UN, G8 and G20 (but NOT by religions, political parties nor corporations) and be the exact "quantum leap" that is needed to allow the world to address the challenges it now faces.

Cheers,

Greg Shepherd 61 + (0) 411 961 338 (feel free to ring anytime)