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Зробити якість/надійність статті більш очевидною для читачів

Зараз, поза статтями-заготовками, та статтями, що містять додані користувачами шаблони про недосконалість, не існує способу зробити рівень якості/надійності статті очевидним для звичайного читача. Це становить проблему, зважаючи на збільшення проникнення спаму та подібні проблеми (див. en:User:Doc_James/Paid_editing). Рішенням могло б стати: 1) увімкнення ґаджета en:Wikipedia:Metadata gadget для усіх читачів за замовчуванням; 2) розробка додаткового скрипту, який би також відображав (можливо, за запитом, із доступом через панель інструментів чи заголовок сторінки) інформацію про кількість користувачів, що спостерігають за сторінкою, тих, що зробили найбільший внесок у сторінку, та, ймовірно, одне з багатьох значень довіри, які обговорюються в декількох академічних виданнях; 3) додавання до статті переліку поширених проблем — див. мою пропозицію нижче. --Piotrus (talk) 05:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier discussion and endorsements
Endorsed Endorsed Also, @Gamaliel: is going to be proposing this as a default Gadget on English soon. Sadads (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Metadata Gadget doesn't makes clear the quality of the articles, because no normal reader can guess what the colors represents. And there are too many colors, why use different colors for ongoing events, disambiguations, etc? Just leave the title black!--MisterSanderson (talk) 04:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Endorsed Endorsed Ottawahitech (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Голосування

  1. Support Support--Shizhao (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Support This bit of literacy is incredibly important for readers - understanding that we have a process for creating content and quality Sadads (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Support Especially the number of watchers would be interesting and a decent simple measure of page quality. Is that number currently publicly available anywhere? Gap9551 (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Support #1 only as it gives an overview of the article's quality pretty succinctly. I don't think readers generally would care about the number of watchers or the other info. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 00:47, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Support--Manlleus (talk) 15:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Support -- SantiLak (talk) 10:47, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support Support Halibutt (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support Support --Yeza (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support Support Zamaster4536 (talk) 12:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Comment Comment An interesting approach that could be investigated is providing automated metrics based on the age of the page, number of edits, number of contributors, shape of the distribution of number of edits by contributor and average size of edits by contributor, (c.f. xContribs), average age of words in the page, etc. This would be similar to the "factoids"/"in a nutshell" feature of OpenHub/Ohloh, e.g. https://www.openhub.net/p/mediawiki#factoids --Waldir (talk) 15:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support Support Abyssal (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support Support --Tgr (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Comment: (support) -- The user needs a simple (automated) facility to help them understand a significant number of issues (some listed above per Waldir) related to quality. When people ask me if they should trust Wikipedia, I try to remind them of how to assess trust in other areas of their life. This facility should seek to be an intelligent guide to trust; not a certification of correctness.
    This might include tool-tip like cautions of the more significant issues for the article. Such a system should recognize the age and number of editor templates already on the article. When this system is implemented, the current editor templates should be disabled for IP readers but still appear for IP editing and for logged-in users.
    Both the age and distribution distribution of references in the text affects current topics. However, the scoring must recognize that historical topics more than ~50 years old shouldn't discount quality because of non-current references.
    SBaker43 (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Зручний для мобільної версії програмний каркас для порталів та сторінок проектів із багатоколонковим поділом

В багатьох порталів та вікіпроектів головні сторінки розроблені із багатоколонковим розташуванням розділів. Це дозволяє створювати охайний та компактний розподіл пов'язаного та/або непов'язаного вмісту при масштабному, стаціонарному перегляді. Однак, такий дизайн у більшості випадків, на жаль, базується на вікітаблицях як структурних елементах, а тому вони насправді несумісні з малими пристроями. Цей досвід походить із de-wiki, але я думаю, що ситуація є не дуже кращою й у інших вікі (довільні приклади порталів із низькою продуктивністю в мобільній версії: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]; аби протестувати їхню поведінку на мобільних пристроях, відкрийте ці посилання у своєму браузері та масштабуйте ширину вікна до розмірів смартфона).

Існує багато причин, сукупність яких дає такі погані результати. Окрім факту того, що чимало порталів були засновані ще в час, коли не існувало мобільної версії, ми все ще страждаємо від недоступності базового набору простих багатосторонніх технічних рішень, які б дозволили миттєво створювати прийнятні для мобільної версії сторінки порталів/проектів без необхідності застосовувати складну CSS-магію. Тому я б пропонував розробити програмний каркас, який би містив переважно класи CSS, розмістити його на відповідному сайті у просторі назв MediaWiki, завдяки чому він стане доступним для спільного використання. Він повинен містити такі властивості:

  • гнучкий набір класів CSS, відокремлених один від одного для окреслення стилів та позиціювання елементів із вмістом; користувачі можуть додавати класи до елементів порталів, тим самим визначаючи їхні стилі та позицію
  • окремі розділи порталів можуть бути поміщені в шаблони з параметрами, які, я думаю, краще відомі користувачам вікі, аніж простий код HTML
  • після створення сторінки порталу/проекту, розташування елементів плавно й безперешкодно адаптується до розміру екрана, незважаючи на те, чи це стандартна версія, мобільна версія, чи використовується застосунок Вікімедіа
  • детальна документація, включно з прикладами використання, має доповнити цей базовий набір функцій; середньостатистичний користувач вікі повинен мати змогу з легкістю створити сторінку порталу, яка однаково добре відображається як у стаціонарній, так і в мобільній версії
  • бонусне завдання: дозвольте використання сучасних CSS-методів у просторі порталів, скажімо, запити медіафайлів чи будь-які інші корисні речі; технічно досвідчені користувачі, за допомогою цієї функції, зможуть вдосконалити процес користування мобільною та стаціонарною версіями

—MisterSynergy (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier discussion and endorsements
Endorsed Endorsed LeoRomero (talk)
I'm not convinced this is somewhat useful at all... I never use portals and mobile phones, and on Portuguese Wikipedia the portals are all abandoned. Why create such mechanism, if there is noone interested in implementing it on the pages?--MisterSanderson (talk) 04:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Portals and Wikiprojects are dead at de:WP too. At least there is no mass interest in them. The problem with portals is, that we have so many articles and therefore it is not possible to link many of them on one page. I remember that I once thought about something like an online museum in wikipedia. In wikipedia text is number one and pictures are the last number. If we would change that and pictures are number one, maybe something new would happen? We could ask GLAM people, what they think about that. In this way portals could get a new task, not just linking loads of wp.articles. Molarus (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Голосування

  1. Support Support MisterSynergy (talk) 09:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Support --g (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not supportive, mostly because portals should more likely be deprecated as out-of-date and generally of poor quality. We are not hearing from many projects that use them, and they have been useless to readers for many years on (at least) several of the large Wikipedias. A bit of history: on Enwiki, portal creation became popular for a period because it was easy to develop a 'featured portal', and evidence of having contributed "featured content" was a relatively quick way to becoming an administrator. Those portals were then promptly ignored by their creators, and most have not been revised in years. While the motivation may have been different on other projects, it seems they are essentially historical artifacts today. Risker (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Comment Comment I agree with Risker that portals should probably be decommissioned as they are hulks nobody has the time to work on, and I don't think they get much reader attention anyway. The true portals are the main subject articles themselves, because those are what people find when they search. WikiProjects, however, are the "portals" through which some editors go to find out how to help with particular subjects. I wouldn't oppose efforts to make them mobile-friendly, but I think the way to go is to provide a way of having alternative display code for mobile devices, rather than changing the designs of existing WikiProject pages. At any rate, many WikiProjects are short-staffed and will consider mobile access a low priority in my estimation. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 12:32, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree with deprecating portals. They are a great way to show interesting things to readers. I have developed several sports portals in Spanish Wikipedia, with heavy use of random sections. Hey, nitable competitors appear on their birthdays!
    The problem with portals, other than lack of editors, is that we need to writhe the summaries of articlesvand update them manually. A nice tool would be insetion of page sections, therefore we could just insert the zero section. --NaBUru38 (talk) 04:05, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support some portal-like features built into main subject articles. The current separated portals are hulks that very few visit (I've looked at pageview stats) and almost nobody has the time to maintain. If we have to keep portals around, they need to be "advertised" better from main subject articles. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Support--Manlleus (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Support —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose Oppose - Do many readers/editors using mobile phones want this? I've just looked at some of the above examples using a small laptop (large tablet) size screen and had no problems; the material may not have been laid out quite as neatly as on a larger screen, but you can't have everything. If this went ahead then either (1) existing projects/portals would need to be converted to the new system or (2) we would have a mix of projects/portals using the old and new systems - both would increase complexity for editors. Many projects have some tabbed pages that are pointless (or worse). DexDor (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support Support A nice first step would be optional linebreaks. If a row has two columns with an optional linebreak, the two boxes would appers side by side if the screen is wide, and top to bootom if the screen is narrow. --NaBUru38 (talk)

Читацький список

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T120756

Іноді читачі (але зазвичай не редактори) натрапляють на цікаву статтю, яку б хотіли прочитати дещо пізніше, можливо тому, що вони саме в цей момент не мають достатньо часу. Було б чудово, якби вони могли додати її до свого Читацького списку, аби не забути про неї! Я знаю, що існує багато способів робити закладки веб-сторінок (як за допомогою браузера, так і через відповідні онлайн-служби), однак цю ідею варто розглянути. 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier discussion and endorsements
  • Oppose Oppose. There's nothing here that cannot be accomplished by the bookmark functionality in your browser, it does not improve wiki content in any way whatsoever, does not make life easier for the core community and is better suited to WMF's Reading team. MER-C (talk) 14:54, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, and if the reader isn't on his home computer? Say he is on a relative's computer, public computer, cyber coffee computer, school computer? How to add on browser's bookmarks in these situations? In contrast, how to access the home bookmarks from these computers? Note: Facebook has a internal bookmark (saving) function for these cases.--MisterSanderson (talk) 04:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That can be accomplished by having multiple watchlists. Helder 17:44, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He7d3r, having multiple watchlist would be great!--MisterSanderson (talk) 04:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This could be considered a variant on the previous proposal for additional watchlist functionality. A properly generalized watchlist could also be used as a personal reading list. Cscott (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorsed Endorsed but would also like to add specific revisions or diffs to the reading list so I can come back to them later. This could be implemented relatively easily by having a "private" (only readable by the user and admins) wiki-page plus scripts that add or subtract things from this page. Davidwr/talk 05:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Comment In fact this is something (or exactly) like mw:Extension:Gather (which I find nice and useful). With this, anybody can create reading lists (aka "Collections"), private of public: en:Special:Gather/by/Geraki. They can even be used as multiple watchlists (en:Special:GatherEditFeed). The bad thing is that is still in beta, and currently you can add pages only through the beta mobile interface (but you can still check them in the desktop interface). So, I endorse to continue developing this extension and enable it to the main interface for all wikipedias. -Geraki TL 12:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorsed Endorsed While my PC's browser is quite capable of bookmarking pages, this does me absolutely no good when I head on over to my local library with the intent of doing a bit of fact-checking or citation gathering. When I first came to this page it was my intent to make a suggestion similar to this, so I'll endorse this one instead! I think that ideas related to a reading list, expanded functionality of a watchlist, and a to-do list can be combined to make an especially useful tool. Etamni (talk) 07:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorsed Endorsed I was about to propose a private To-Do list for other uses, but it's much of the same thing. There are some sites offering ToDo lists, but it would make life much easier if each editor could open his own private discreet list inside Wikipedia - mostly since it would be easier to add links to files (in the Commons/home wiki) or pages in his home project. I currently use a site called EveryDay for this purpose, but besides some restrictions for not-paying users, the main problem is as I mentioned, linking to pages and files inside Wikimedia projects. I need these kind of lists for 3 purposes: 1. Files I have to watch - I often leave notes in uploaders' talk pages with requests for OTRS release approvals for the files, then I wait a week or two and if we don't get any response, I have to open a deletion request in the Commons. Since there are too many of those, I need a list, preferable with an option for some kind of a reminder at a certain time; 2. Info to add - For example, if I read an article and find it useful for Wikipedia as reference or just something to add as an external link, when I don't have the time to do it then, or when I cannot do it at that time from other reasons... I want to be able to get back to it later; 3. Other wiki-tasks - all sort of improvements and additions I find that I would like to work on some time sooner or later, when I would have time for it - I need a place to write it down.
    Please contact me in any question. Ldorfman (talk) 23:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Голосування

  1. Support Support 4nn1l2 (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Support בנימין (talk) 07:37, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Support Ldorfman (talk) 22:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Support Alleycat80 (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Support --Shizhao (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Support -- AvatarFR (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support Support simple: non-watching watchlists. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support Support --Martinligabue (talk) 15:04, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support Support -- reader focused watchlists? Or something that entices these readers to engage the already available system, but make that list more visible? Public reading lists (maybe the books extension reoriented towards IPS?) could be a good social media tool as well, Sadads (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support Support --Urbanecm (talk) 17:46, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support Support --Wesalius (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support Support Jules78120 (talk) 19:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Oppose Strongly oppose --Usien6 (talk) 20:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC) // Can be designed by the community as a "gadget" or browser extension: no reason to burden WMF with it. By the way, Safari is already shipped with such feature with the bonus of off-line caching and cross-client syncing. Actually, every major browser (and most of the minors...) have the bookmarking feature, which does the job pretty well. Seriously, guys...[reply]
  14. Oppose Oppose Redundant to the bookmark functionality in your browser and does not improve wiki content or editor productivity. And if you're on a public computer, improvise! A piece of paper, writing on your hand, sending an email to yourself, adding it to a wiki page/watchlist are all easy workarounds. MER-C (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose Oppose Not related to improving and maintaining wiki projects. Easily done by browser, as mentioned before. Gap9551 (talk) 23:05, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support Support Helder 23:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Comment Comment If someone wants to develop a gadget or extension for this, that would be all right, but I don't see this going into the core wiki code. Also, Wikipedians can create a reading list on one of their user pages, prettied up using the Todo template if they like. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 12:43, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support Support Why not? Regards, Kertraon (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support Support--Manlleus (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support Support--MisterSanderson (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Support Support YBG (talk) 06:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support Support Rzuwig► 10:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support Support Orbwiki107 (talk) 17:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support Support SantiLak (talk) 10:47, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support Support Chenspec (talk) 21:16, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support Support Lester לסטר (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support Support Zamaster4536 (talk) 12:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Oppose Oppose per opposes above. Don't add unnecessary clutter to readers screens. DexDor (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support Support Alkamid (talk) 22:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Підсторінки: приховати посилання на батьківські сторінки

Вікіпідручник використовує підсторінки в певному порядку для того, щоб структурувати книгу за розділами. Віківерситет робить те ж саме для курсів та уроків. Кожна підсторінка автоматично показує посилання на батьківські сторінки. Та незважаючи на це, автори пропонують читачам навігацію між розділами та сторінками за допомогою навігаційних шаблонів. У таких випадках читач бачить посилання на батьківську сторінку наряду з навігаційною панеллю — напр., b:en:Geometry for Elementary School/Introduction. Як на мене, було б краще приховати автоматично створювані посилання, якщо на сторінці вже є навігаційна панель. Подвійна інформація може збивати користувачів з пантелику.

Користувачі: Вікіпідручника, Віківерситету та інших проектів, у яких використовуються підсторінки. Поточна ситуація: Посилання на батьківські сторінки неможливо приховати. Рішення: Додати перемикач поведінки __NOANCESTORLINK__ чи щось подібне. -- Juetho (talk) 10:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier discussion and endorsements
@Helder As far as I see the BookManager uses a special way via its own metadata and is made to combine separate sites (in WP e.g.). A book in Wikibooks or a course in Wikiversity uses a manual structure with a main page and subpages. Each author has her own idea how her book is structured and shown (incl. navigation bar and list of contents). Therefore it's a manual decision for each subpage. -- Juetho (talk) 12:49, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The whole point of the extension is not to structure books manually, so that navigation, and other things can be done automatically. Helder 17:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Nemo Please, take a look at b:en:Geometry for Elementary School/Introduction (link above -- that's an example only). Wikibooks and Wikiversity use both -- subpages by default in the main namespace (an important kind of structure in any book resp. course) in addition with a navigation bar (an important kind to navigate within a book resp. course). In these cases the links to ancestor pages are partly superfluous and disturbing. In Wikibooks and Wikiversity not a single user wants to give up these structuring methods, but many users don't want the additional links. -- Juetho (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You can hide them using local CSS (something like span.subpages { display: none; } ). Helder 17:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Голосування

  1. Support Support - This would be useful occasionally on English Wikipedia, too - for example, there is no reason for Talk:P/poly (the talk page of the P/poly complexity class) to link to Talk:P (the article being about the letter). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Support, and only with the magic word or a comparable feature that works page-by-page. Having it added automatically by algorithm (e.g. "if the page displays X, don't display the ancestor page") would risk its omission by a false positive, but merely making it suppressible page-by-page wouldn't be a problem. If a project needs to remove ancestor links from a whole batch of pages, it can run a bot to add the magic word to the pages in question. Nyttend (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Support using magic words, with a wiki-by-wiki default setting variable, for wikis like Wikiversity where these links tend to be unhelpful. --YodinT 02:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Support --Shizhao (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose Oppose or make it a user preference option with appropriate wiki-wide default. I !@:#\ things being too different between wikis I am using. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 14:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose Oppose --Usien6 (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose Oppose Helder 23:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support Support per Nyttend. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 12:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose Oppose -- Overall wiki navigation should remain consistent throughout. Navigation templates can be redesigned or moved to resolve this issue. -- Dave Braunschweig (talk) 22:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support Support--MisterSanderson (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support Support Juetho (talk) 07:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC) -- I dont't want a wiki-wide way to suppress these small links. I only want a page-by-page option set by an author manually.[reply]
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