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* Good idea to remove a perfectly fine interwiki simply because some people misuse it. I suggest blanket removal of every interwiki ever misused, and before accusing me of going top absurd, start by asking if the original argument is not absurd.
 
* Good idea to remove a perfectly fine interwiki simply because some people misuse it. I suggest blanket removal of every interwiki ever misused, and before accusing me of going top absurd, start by asking if the original argument is not absurd.
 
*: See inclusion requirements above. Site should be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects. As lurkmore.ru is included in Russian Wikipedia [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist spam-blacklist], it is obviously not trusted enough. If interwiki links are used mostly to vandalize articles, harass users and circumvent spam-protection, they are obviously not "perfectly fine". --[[User:Grebenkov|Grebenkov]] 21:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 
*: See inclusion requirements above. Site should be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects. As lurkmore.ru is included in Russian Wikipedia [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist spam-blacklist], it is obviously not trusted enough. If interwiki links are used mostly to vandalize articles, harass users and circumvent spam-protection, they are obviously not "perfectly fine". --[[User:Grebenkov|Grebenkov]] 21:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 
=== Historical overview ===
 
For our english-speaking friends I would like to sum up the relationship of russian wikipedia and lurkmore.ru
 
* There ''is'' an article about it in ru-wikipedia. It was deleted few times, but now it is restored by admins quite a long time.
 
* There are some people in ru-wikipedia, who hate lurkmore.ru. I wonder why? :)
 
* Generally, there are some people, who hate lurkmore.ru. And there are many folks, who like it.
 
* lurkmore.ru was added to ru-wikipedia's spam list by a single admin. Without discussion.
 
* It was proposed multiple times to remove lurkmore.ru from this list. Without any result.
 
* The few diffs shown by our opponent were done by some freshly registered users. '''They were not warned''' for vandalism, as one can see at their talk pages.
 
* Instead of warning them and seemingly instead of any ''administative'' action, our respected opponents sprints to meta and asks for interwiki deletion.
 
* There is no visible discussion of the incident at ru-wikipedia.
 
Something smells fishy here, huh? --Your friendly lurkmore.ru admin 00:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Requests for updates ==
 
== Requests for updates ==

Revision as of 18:41, 19 January 2010

Requests and proposals Interwiki map Archives (current)→
The associated page is used by the Mediawiki software to add and remove interwiki link prefixes (such as [[w:blah]] to "blah" on Wikipedia). Any meta administrator can edit the interwiki map. Please post comments to the appropriate section (Proposed additions, Proposed removals, Requests for updates, Troubleshooting, or Other discussions); read the boxes at the top of each for an explanation. Completed requests are moved to the archives.

Proposed additions

Symbol comment vote.svg The InterWiki Map exists to allow a more efficient syntax for linking between wikis, and thus promote the cooperation and proliferation of wikis and free content.

This section is for proposing a new interwiki link prefix. Interwiki prefixes should be reserved for websites that would be useful on a significant number of pages. Websites useful only to a few pages should be linked to with the usual external link syntax. Please don't propose additions of sites with too few pages or that contains copyright infringing content, such as YouTube. As a guide, sites considered for inclusion should probably

  1. provide clear and relevant use to the Wikimedia projects
  2. be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects
  3. be free content (under a Commons-acceptable license)
  4. be a wiki
  5. have reasonable amounts of content
  6. does not contain malware

Add new entries at the bottom of the section. When requesting a new prefix, please explain why it would be useful keeping the above in mind. Admins, please allow consensus to form (or at least no objections to be raised over a period of a few days) before adding new entries, as once added they are hard to remove from the many copies around the world.

Requests for removal should be submitted on the talk page in the removals section and will be decided on by a Meta admin.

Arborwiki

Arborwiki fulfills all six requirements above. It is a city wiki that anyone can edit, similar to Wikipedia, that focuses on information about the Ann Arbor, MI area. Edward Vielmetti, 12:57 AM, 16 Dec 2009 (EST)

Gardenology.org

Gardenology.org fulfills all six requirements as well. It's a free-content plant encyclopedia with 15,921 articles. Please add! --Wixi 02:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed removals

Symbol comment vote.svg This section is for proposing that a prefix be disabled; please add new entries at the bottom of the section. Remember to explain why it should be disabled, particularly in view of the difficulty involved in correcting any use of the prefix. Completed requests are marked with {{done}} or {{not done}} and moved to the archives.

lurkmore.ru

Interwiki links to this site are used to circumvent spam protection on ru-wiki (site is in local spam-blacklist). Site contains offensive and potentially libellous information about living persons. Spammers and vandals use interwiki links extensively to link to this site on Russian Wikipedia. Examples:

  • [1]: link from word «скрипка» (violin) to article on LM about «быдло» («cattle», often used as pejorative in Russian).
  • [2]: link from word «писатель» (author) to article on LM about «графоман» (see en:Graphomania, used as pejorative in Russian).
  • [3]: vandalism, adding irrelevant links.
  • [4]: spam.

Please remove this site from interwiki map ASAP due to extensive abuse by vandals and spammers. --Grebenkov 16:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

  • As ru.wiki admin & checkuser I can confirm it. --DR 16:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Because it seems reasonable and urgent to me, I've removed this. I try to get a devs to do an update. Thanks --Barras talk 17:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
      • Thank you. --DR 17:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
      • Thank you. -- Your friendly lurkmore.ru admin. 81.25.227.18 17:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Good idea to remove a perfectly fine interwiki simply because some people misuse it. I suggest blanket removal of every interwiki ever misused, and before accusing me of going top absurd, start by asking if the original argument is not absurd.
    See inclusion requirements above. Site should be trusted not to encourage spam links being added to the Wikimedia projects. As lurkmore.ru is included in Russian Wikipedia spam-blacklist, it is obviously not trusted enough. If interwiki links are used mostly to vandalize articles, harass users and circumvent spam-protection, they are obviously not "perfectly fine". --Grebenkov 21:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Requests for updates

Symbol comment vote.svg This section is for requesting update for an existing interwiki. This could be needed if your site's URL has changed. Please add new entries at the bottom of the section.

ChoralWiki

At present, ChoralWiki links are directed to http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/$1. As discussed here, the structure of ChoralWiki has recently changed, such that [5] is the 'Contributor's website', which requires registration for access, whereas the main user access (with anonymous access enabled) is via, for example, [6] - it would therefore seem better to direct the interwiki links to a 'Users' website' rather than a 'Contributors' website'. Thanks, Carminowe of Hendra 22:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Please state exactly to which of the mentioned urls the page should link to. Thanks --Barras talk 17:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Please consider the request withdrawn - the ChoralWiki site now seems to have been modified such that the interwiki links are automatically redirected to a user access site anyway. Thanks, Carminowe of Hendra 21:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Creatures Wiki

Could someone update CreaturesWiki to go to http://creatureswiki.net/wiki/$1? We're moving onto this new domain shortly - it will work as a redirect until then. GreenReaper 04:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be already done. --Barras 18:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
No, it isn't . . . the map still has creatures.wikia.com. GreenReaper 18:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/$1 links to the same page as your page. Your url seems to be a redirect. --Barras talk 17:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
That's so we can change links first. :-) We're moving off Wikia, after which our wiki will be at creatureswiki.net. Until then, the new URL will redirect to creatures.wikia.com. We're changing interwikis first (as with WikiFur) so that creatureswiki: can remain valid both before and after the move. (Wikia policy is not to redirect off-Wikia even after a community moves and they close the wiki, so it'll break otherwise.) GreenReaper 21:10, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

MusicBrainz

The MusicBrainz interwiki link currently points to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/$1, please update it to point to http://musicbrainz.org/doc/$1. The contents of the wiki are transcluded to /doc making the article names the same, however, /doc allows site administrators to control which revision of a page is accessible (e.g. for accuracy or spam control) making it the official version of the documentation. --navap 17:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Barras talk 17:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, that was extremely fast. How long does it usually take for the change to propagate to wikipedia.org? The page is a bit unclear stating "A script copies the list below into the database fairly regularly (usually once in several months)". --navap 17:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
The last update was done upon my request in October/November. I tried last time to get an other update, but it wasn't done til now. I hope to get an update during the next two months or something. --Barras talk 18:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Troubleshooting

Symbol comment vote.svg This section is for comments related to problems or corrections with the interwiki map (such as incorrect syntax or entries not functioning). This is not the section to request that a prefix be disabled (see Proposed removals above).

Interwiki problems

Hi. All the following links correspond to localized families and are equally structured. If you use them in any non-localized project (like here in meta) or any non-English-localized one (like es:w), you arrive to targets of different type.

I think this is an abnormal functioning. Isn't it? You may try this in the es:w:Sandbox. Gustronico 07:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Hola Gustronico. Los interwikis de los propios proyectos no se añaden a la esta página, sino que están añadidos automáticamente a la base de datos; si hay algún problema con ellos deberías abrir un bug para que los administradores de la base de datos lo revisen. No obstante, algunos comentarios: para wikinews yo uso [[n:]] y para wikiversity [[v:]] Estos, puestos aquí te redirigen a los proyectos en inglés, si los pones en la zona de pruebas de eswiki te deberían redirigir a los respectivos proyectos en castellano. En efecto en la versión larga no lo hacen. Dejo esto abierto unos días para atraer más comentarios. Saludos, —Dferg (disputatio) 09:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Gracias Dferg. Efectivamente, los ejemplos que pones no funcionan como enlaces interproyecto dentro del mismo idioma, pero esa es una característica de todos los interwikis largos [7], y se debe justamente a que están definidos en esta misma página como enlaces a las versiones en inglés, y no en el software. La forma correcta de enlazar a otro proyecto en otro idioma es poner el código de localización idiomática después del interproyecto, usando preferiblemente la versión corta (n:es:Portada) aunque la larga también funciona (wikinews:es:Portada). El problema radica en que es muy común encontrar [8] el prefijo de idioma antes del interproyecto, y eso es lo que no funciona para es:wikinews: y es:wikiversity:, aunque sí para los demás proyectos. Bueno, al parecer se trata de un bug entonces. Gustronico 19:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Sí, creo que es cosa de abrir un bug dado que desde esta página no tenemos acceso a esos prefijos interwiki. Un saludo, — Dferg (disputatio) 16:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Other discussions

Generic Wikimedia prefix

With so many sites at wikimedia.org, I'm surprised that there is no generic "wikimedia" prefix, like the "wikia" one. Instead we have (not very useful imho) Wm2005, Wm2006, etc. (Just wanted to make an internal link to stats.wikimedia.org...) -AlexSm 15:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

See also