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Natural language Wikidata

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I think this best conveys what the project is about and is much clearer, easy to understand and accurate.

Votes

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  1. Proposed by User:Prototyperspective
  2.  Weak oppose. --Waldyrious (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC) (see discussion)[reply]

Discussion

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  •  Weak oppose. The entries in this new wiki are not supposed to be complete representations of all the information of a given data item (from Wikidata or otherwise), simply spelled out in natural language as if the latter is merely a frontend for the former; instead, they are supposed to be a manual selection of relevant content, weaved into sentences and paragraphs that should read as closely as possible to what one might write if doing so directly in the target language. Therefore, I'm afraid this proposal might give people the wrong impression about what the project is about and how they might contribute to it. --Waldyrious (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please be specific: what are you referring to with "or otherwise"? Where else does it get the data from and is that not just a minor addition to data in Wikidata which is the main source of data? I think most other proposals give people the wrong impression what the project is about while this does communicates it quite clearly even if not 100% of data is from or stored in Wikidata. Please support your explanation with some link, thanks. Prototyperspective (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Section 10.5 in the technical report introducing this project lists the kind of knowledge that Wikidata cannot capture, but Abstract Wikipedia can. Text in abstract articles may be generated using statements from Wikidata, but there is no requirement to do so. It can go well beyond that. The limitation to just Wikidata is a misunderstanding. --DVrandecic (WMF) (talk) 07:21, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the explanation and link. I was kind of aware the AW in theory can also be used to write things that aren't in Wikidata. However, 1. a large fraction of that is just data that will be written/stored into Wikidata when not present there at first 2. it may be possible in theory but in practice I can't see how that will be extensively used; maybe an article here or there and a few sentences here and there but most data would be from Wikidata; this is partly due to the difficulty of specifiying sentences in the AW way. I mean just look at the examples for a simple sentence about city statistics data. 3. It doesn't change that this would be a fitting name since "Natural language Wikidata" doesn't imply that 100% of its data is from Wikidata. It also suffices that the majority will be – not even that is required: it suffices that it's like Wikidata but with natural language. The project is described as an extension of Wikidata etc; it's closer to it than to Wikipedia by which people will get a wrong impression about what the project is about. Prototyperspective (talk) 14:00, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that 'natural language' is sometimes used specifically to mean 'not a constructed language'. Arlo Barnes (talk) 08:33, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    1. A natural language or ordinary language is a language that occurs organically in a human community by a process of use, repetition, and change and in forms such as written, spoken and signed 2. The natural language here refers to the output / results, not the complicated syntax used to write/code these Abstract Wikipedia pages. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:44, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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