CentralNotice/Request/Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018 Russia

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Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018 Russia[edit]

What is the purpose of the campaign? How will you measure the success of the campaign?[edit]

Description -Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018 doesn't have a coordinated banner this year, and some Wikis in the languages of Russia (unlike Azerbaijani, Bashkir, Tatar or Ukrainian) don't have skills or desire to have a global SiteNotice banners.

Metrics -

What banner(s) will you use? What will be your landing page?[edit]

Banners - EN:

RU:

MYV:

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Landing Page - en-ru-myv-kk

Is this project grant funded? Please provide a link[edit]

Type of grant - {{{granttype}}}

Link to grant - Grants:Project/Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018

Community notification[edit]

Text[edit]

This is sample notification that can be used for mass message delivery to targeted WP's forums, as described @ Usage guidelines:

EN:

Please comment on CentralNotice banner proposal for ongoing annual Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018 article writing contest.
Proposed settings: Month long, only in Russia, WPs in en-kk-myv-ru-tt & possibly others (local landing page, mainly from m:Wikipedias in the languages of Russia), low impression TBD by CN admins.
On behalf of Wikimedia Russia Banners Program, respectfully


RU1:

Пожалуйста выскажитесь про баннерную кампанию CentralNotice для уведомления читателей о ежегодном викимарафоне «Вики-весна» (21 марта-31 мая).
Предложенные настройки: длинной в месяц, только в России, разделы ВП на en-kk-myv-ru-tt и возможно в иных (локальная посадочная страница, преимущественно из числа Википедий на языках народов России), низкая частота показов по усмотрению CN-админов.
От имени баннерной программы Викимедиа РУ, с уважением

TT:

Һәр ел 21 март - 31 май уза торган «Вики-Яз 2018» мәкаләләр язу марафоны белән укучыларыбызны таныштыру өчен оештырылган быелгы CentralNotice игъланы кампаниясе турында үз фикерегезне белдерсәгез иде.
Тәкъдим ителгән көйләүләр: бер ай, фәкать Россиядә, en-kk-myv-ru-tt һәм бәлкем башка бүлекләрдә (җирле проект бите бар, Россия халыклары телләрендәге Википедияләргә өстенлек), CN-админнары билгеләгән түбән күрсәтелү ешлыгы.
Викимедиа Россия баннерлар программасы исеменнән, ихтирам белән

RU2:

Уважаемые коллеги!
Викимедиа Россия (ВМРУ) выступает со-организатором IV Ежегодного Международного Вики-марафона «Вики-Весна 2018» (21 марта-31 мая), организуемого объединениями Движения Викимедиа из стран Центральной и Восточной Европы. Для уведомления об этом пользующихся Википедией жителей и гостей России инициирована баннерная кампания CentralNotice.

  • Баннер (RU)

Прошу высказать своё мнение, предложения по изменению баннера или настроек ниже, а лучше на страничке заявки на баннер на языке данного уведомления. Будем благодарны, если поможете нам создать или улучшить баннер и посадочную страницу проекта на Вашем языке.
От имени баннерной программы Викимедиа РУ, с уважением


EN2:

Dear colleagues!
Wikimedia Russia (WMRU) is a local organizer of the IVth Annual International Wiki-Marathon CEE Spring 2018 (March 21 - May 31), run by Wikimedia movement affiliates from Central and Eastern European countries. Targeted CentralNotice banner campaign is initiated to inform Wikipedia visitors from among residents & guests of the Russian Federation about the project.

  • Banner (EN)

We invite you to express your opinion, voice your proposals about improving the banner or its settings, here or (better) at banner request page in the language of this notification. We will be grateful if you can help us to create or improve the banner and the project landing page in Your language.
On behalf of WMRU Banner Program, respectfully

Notifications[edit]

Discussion[edit]

ruWP[edit]

  • Strongly against having more banners in Russian Wikipedia, see my comment in other request. stjn[ru] 10:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Dear Oleg, thank you for your valuable comment, which is bringing a new perspective on the issue. CEE Spring 2018 is the fourth campaign request about Wikimedia Russia-initiated or co-organized thematic article writing contests. You are the first user from Russian Wikipedia to express such concern (here on Meta or in ruWP under respective notifications to the General Forum - WikiGap 2018, Public Domain 2018, Professors and Alumni). Because of Wikimedia Foundation support of Wikimedia Russia activities, previous banner-related consensus on Russian Wikipedia & the fact that CEE Spring is an annual event, I didn't even bother to notify ruWP General Forum this time. I assume you learned about this current campaign from ruWP Telegram-channel, where I published a request to comment about Wikimedia Russia-sponsored article contest banners on April 16. Can you be so kind as to provide a link to discussion, allowing to conclude I am missing consensus against banners on Russian Wikipedia? Would you recommend me to be stricter on article contest related banners? (Standard setting of Anonymous Users from Russia only). Regards, --Frhdkazan (talk) 15:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
      • You have notified the communities before, but it was the wrong venue and the notice you put up was very obtuse so I would guess that no one even paid attention to the fact. This time there was no notice and I am very glad that I even found this discussion before another banner will be put up.
        One of clear requirements of CentralNotice/Usage guidelines is to avoid banner fatigue. Right now Russian Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects are bombarded with the banners that maybe are giving some engagement, but are clearly unnecessary for the most of those contests. Banners should not be used for any kind of edit-a-thon and the like, banners should be used for the most important announcements, not some FIFA events.
        Banners are extremely harmful to user experience on Wikimedia projects because of the way they are displayed (after loading, moving the content etc.) so you should seek the consensus for displaying so many banners in Russian-speaking projects, not I should seek the consensus against them. Especially since in Russian Wikipedia we have the watchlist notice that does the same function a lot less intrusively. stjn[ru] 15:50, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
        • Dear Oleg, please provide me with a better Notification Venue than General Forum & links to support your claim that there is no consensus (my links above seem to show otherwise). Regards, --Frhdkazan (talk) 16:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
          • Quite obvious: news/notices forum. Where it would be written clearly what you want to do and what will happen. There is no consensus on your links, people just ignored those messages. stjn[ru] 16:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
            • Dear Oleg, why do you think that for ruWP news forum is a better venue than General Forum for banner-related questions? And why do you think that only non-negative comments mean there is no consensus? --Frhdkazan (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
              • 1) Because that venue is where all the announcements are being put out and discussed. 2) Because consensus among you and you for doing something is not a consensus, and consensus among fellow WMRU people is also not a representative consensus. We already discussed this in March, nothing changed since then, you go through with the same multitude of banners. stjn[ru] 11:46, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
                • @Oleg: Thank you & then User:DZ for this new venue — started receiving some very useful constructive comments there. I would also be grateful if can also link to March discussions you mentioned in the last sentence. Regards, --Frhdkazan (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
        • Oleg, I hope you recognize my previous diligent efforts to
        1. Go an extra mile to inform concerned communities in the languages of Russia by notifying them onwiki & by other channels (not actually required by CentralNotice/Request)
        2. Follow best Wikimedia banner practices (established previously by WMF staff experience and movement-wide consensus)
        3. Obtain non-negative replies to my invitation to comment & cooperation of Wikipedians from more that one language version
        • and we can discuss what can be done to improve your banner experience meanwhile communicating to Russian Wikipedians & readers about ongoing Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018 contest (see proposed improvements to the banner settings, covering all languages, not just Russian).--Frhdkazan (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
        • I don’t have time for discussing why your approach is wrong for the fifth time since it would be like talking to a wall. In Russian idiom, it is best described as ‘хоть чучелом, хоть тушкой’. You have not shown any indication that you would like to tone it down with banners and, frankly, I don’t see how any request from you would be accepted by the community in the future. stjn[ru] 12:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
          • I feel what you are talking about is not "community". I see you are talking about a stable group of ~10 users that continuously post post many-many negative comments in many-many places within and outside Wikipedia/media. This is well-known phenomenon, but not actually the "community". --Ssr (talk) 09:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
        • @User:Saint Johann, MBH, Deltahead & Iluvatar: In light of a quite high activity level at the anti-WMRU campaign @ ruWP General Forum, your Wrong venue statement above seems to be invalid. I have also exposed pure POV anti-banner sentiment of some ruWP active users by providing links and statistics of CentralNotice & Sitenotice use. Regards, --Frhdkazan (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
          • You are completely, utterly delusional at this point. I don’t know how else to say it, you completely ignore anything that shatters your PoV and try to go on with business-as-usual when it is clearly not. I guess Russian-speaking projects can do without any banners from WM-RU in future months as a result of your own undoing. Don’t ping me into the discussion anymore, please. stjn[ru] 14:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
      • I believe users of Russian Wikipedia do not know about the possibility to do something with global banners and just consider it as an inevitable evil. I personally oppose any banners to readers from Russia not approved in the main Wikipedias visited by Russian readers, especially Russian Wikipedia. 5.228.250.24 15:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
        • Dear Anonymous User, Russian Wikipedia General Forum notifications (see links above) for non-International campains (unlike Wikimedia CEE Spring) clearly state that users are invited to express their opinion. But you might be partly right, as so far I was unable to find General Public notifications by many chapters regarding their ongoing campaigns. --Frhdkazan (talk) 16:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support In previous years Russian Wikipedia did not object to the banners of CEE Spring. --Andreykor (talk) 07:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Taking this into account, it may be reasonable to turn off banners personally for the negative voters (there is a limited number of them) and the problems may be solved this simple. --Ssr (talk) 10:09, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support, I see how Farhad's various activities positively influence Wikimedia movement development among diverse groups of people, so let him continue and make more. --Ssr (talk) 09:10, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Against per stjn. MBH (talk) 12:54, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Against. This is a bad design and a bad idea in itself.--Deltahead (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think that having two banner campaigns of two very similar events (both edit-a-thons) after three other banner campaigns of three other very similar events (again edit-a-thons: one, two, three) is an overuse of the Central Notice mechanism. The organizers seem to be mainly interested in attracting new users, so it is reasonable to ask how many new users have been involved through the Central Notice. How did it improve the outcome of the edit-a-thons? For example, Discover Russia was running for 2 months without the Central Notice, and now the banner is on. Do you see any positive dynamics?
If the number of new users is low, and the improvement marginal, there is probably no reason to run further banner campaigns of this sort. I believe that the organizers should carefully report on what they observed and what they achieved through the previous banner campaigns, and only then submit new applications, or perhaps re-consider the whole strategy and advertise the events using different mechanisms, such as social networks, media, real-life meetings and tutorials, etc.
I also think that it is excessive to have two parallel banner campaigns with the same organizers and on similar topics. If Wikimedia Russia wants to advertise their edit-a-thons, they could set up one Central Notice that would bring users to one landing page describing all current and future edit-a-thons. Note however that this should not be taken as a workaround for my previous comment. If Central Notice does not improve the edit-a-thons in question, there is no reason to have it at all. --Alexander (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose per stjn.—Iluvatar (talk) 15:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Support best of the best competition about Europe. — Niklitov (talk) 12:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Others[edit]

Central Notice admin comments[edit]

Approved Approved with comments. Seddon (talk) 04:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Comment Comment.

Metrics: The community has asked for campaigns to be measured for their success, a request that is fair. It is therefore requested that after each campaign, the number of new editors who join and participate, and the number of articles created/edited and if possible, the amount of information added during a competition be reported.
Frequency of campaigns: Community members have mentioned the frequency of banner campaigns being excessive and it is requested that WMRU take note of this, when planning future campaigns. It's recommended that only one campaign run any one time. There should ideally be breaks between campaigns where no banners are being shown to users to avoid banner fatigue/banner blindness.
Targetting: To ensure that these campaigns do not cause unnecessary disruption and annoyance to experienced community editors. Future banner campaigns that aim to target unregistered and new users only should include a maximum edit count threshold.
Other methods of communication: Email, talk pages and other means should be explored as a less intrusive means of seeking more experienced editors involvement.

Seddon (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Addition comments

  • The two campaigns recently requested will run on reduced impressions.
  • Banners in Russia will use a shared impression cookie and a shared close cookie across campaigns. Seddon (talk) 04:41, 8 May 2018 (UTC)