Community Wishlist Survey 2017/Editing/Create discussion entry automatically from edit summary

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Create discussion entry automatically from edit summary

• Problem:

On editing an article, it seems to be a good idea to insert a remark on a questionable point in the edit summary – the effort to insert it on the discussion page is much greater. But experience shows, that very often no one comes the way to handle the problem. So the remark gets lost in the history.

• Who would benefit:

Editors

• Proposed solution:

Create a possibility to insert a discussion entry from a part of an edit summary automatically.

• More comments:

Maybe the part could be the summary ending identified by an introducing string as for example "Discussion:". Disadvantage: Only experienced users would be aware of this possibility. A better implementation would be great, but it should not affect the simplicity of the editing page. So to add a new choice possibility as "Edit summary and discussion entry" seems to be bad.

• Phabricator tickets:

• Proposer: Griot (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• Translations: none yet

Discussion

Why can't the user go to the dicussion page and create a topic? Is it because it's difficult or time-consuming? -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 19:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not difficult, but it takes time and seems to be unnecessary, hoping that there are users, which have the article on their watchlist and can & will handle the problem. But experience in the German WP shows, that this hope is too optimistically in more than 50% of the cases. --Griot (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit summaries tend to be lost in the background of the history page. Topics on the discussion page remain more visible for longer. This proposal could have the effect of diluting the talk page with clutter, or making potentially useful edit summaries more persistent, depending on how responsibly such a tool would be used. I suspect that the only way we will find out is by trying it out, and I think it would be worth trying if the effort required is not too much. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:28, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that this will just dilute the quality of talk pages with dreck. That it takes some thought and consideration of context to make a talk-page entry is a feature, not a bug. —Syrenka V (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Voting

•  Support —viciarg⁴¹⁴ 08:16, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support YFdyh000 (talk) 14:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Jc86035 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Gripweed (talk) 21:39, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Thomas Obermair 4 (talk) 21:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Donald Trung (Talk 🤳🏻) (My global lock 🔒) (My global unlock 🔓) 10:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose See discussion above. There is more than enough drive-by tagging already; drive-by talk-page commentary will make it worse. —Syrenka V (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose Would love this for Wikipedia:Page Curation tool, but not for millions of ordinary Edit summaries! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Syrenka. Daniel Case (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Gnom (talk) Let's make Wikipedia green! 10:21, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Syrenka. Ented (talk) 12:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose--Termininja (talk) 15:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose Joshualouie711 (talk) 02:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Ciao • Bestoernesto • ✉ 02:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose --Pau Colominas (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Syrenka. –Davey2010^Talk 16:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Syrenka. -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Support It would be especially great if it will enable to write more characters, where the extra characters that don't fit in the edit summary will still be printed to the talk page, and the edit summary will link to the talk page. In non-european languages the number of characters one can write in the edit summary is much smaller, so this can really help. Orielno (talk) 22:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Syrenka --MadScientistX11 (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose drive-by tagging and comments help no one. SpartaN (talk) 04:59, 6 December 2017 (UTC)