Grants talk:APG/Proposals/2017-2018 round 1/Wikimedia Nederland/Proposal form

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Hello Sandra and the WMNL team: thank you for submitting your proposal for Round 1! We plan to review it in the coming days and weeks. All the best, Morgan Jue (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Questions[edit]

Dear WM-NL (ping SRientjes), thank you for the application document. If you don’t mind, I have a couple of questions:

  • While the idea of a self-selected metric of “New user retention” (described as still contributing 3 months after attending a WMNL event) is very laudable, a self-selected target of “38 people” across all programs seems low for the size of this grant. Can you give a bit of detail on how new 38 people is a good impact for this sized grant? Wittylama (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Working with migrant communities is something which WMUK is also proposing in their Annual plan - are you coordinating with them to share best practices? (I've asked them the same thing in reverse) Wittylama (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your questions, Wittylama. Here are our answers:
  • Metric "New User Retention"
Editor retention is notoriously difficult to achieve. A 2012 evaluation of WikiWomen’s History Month found 2.7% retention among newly registered editors after six months. In 2013, a WMF evaluation of editing workshops reported retention of 0 - 6%; a similar evaluation of editathons in the same year on average 1.4% retention. An evaluation of Wiki Loves Monuments 2013-2014 indicated 0.5% retention after 6 months. Looking at it from a different angle, in another report by WMF 75-80% of the events evaluated had zero retention of new editors after 3 months (2013).
These are the most recent data we could find when we set our goal for 2018, and certainly the movement (and WMNL) have learned a lot since then about what works and what does not. Our goal for newly registered editors is 345, thus 38 editors retained after six months would be a retention of 11%. We hope to achieve that by providing more systematic support and follow-up after (training) events. Also, our decision to move away from one-off writing events is based on the fact that editor retention is negligible. So it is true that this particular metric will not generate the highest numbers; we do think it provides valuable insight in what for the Wikimedia-movement is a key objective: finding and holding on to new editors. Also it provides perspective for Global Metric 2: newly registered editors.
  • Cooperation with WMUK
At the moment, five chapters including WMUK and WMNL are exploring the possibility of submitting a funding application to an international donor for work with immigrants in Europe. Even if this does not work out, we will coordinate our work, not just with WMUK but also with other chapters. Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Sandra for your *rapid* and, in the case of the first question comprehensively referenced, answers :-) Wittylama (talk)


Metrics table[edit]

Hello Sandra, it seems that the metrics table does not have the right totals (table 3). I get different totals when plugging the numbers in a spreadsheet (and yes, I know, wikis are terrible for tables...). Would you be so kind and look up the numbers again and correct with strike through what might be wrong? I am sure the totals are wrong with the numbers that are there, but maybe the per-program numbers are the problem and not the totals in the end? Thank you! Delphine (WMF) (talk) 08:06, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

corrected totals table[edit]

Table 3

Shared metrics

  1. Participants: The number of people who attend your events, programs or activities, either in person or virtually. This definition does not include people organizing activities, social media followers, donors, or others not participating directly.
  2. Newly registered: The number of participants that create new accounts on a Wikimedia project. These include users who register up to two weeks before the start of the event.
  3. Content pages: A content page is an article on Wikipedia, an item on Wikidata, a content page on Wikisource, an entry on Wiktionary, and a media file on Commons, etc. This metric captures the total number of content pages created or improved across all Wikimedia projects.

Grantee-defined metrics

  1. other languages WP + WS: Number of items added or improved on other language versions (i.e. non-Dutch) of Wikipedia and Wikisource
  2. Retention: Number of people who registered as editors during a WMNL-activity and are still active three months after the activity was completed
Program Participants Newly registered Content pages other languages WP + WS Retention
1: Community Health 660 20 - - 4
2: Community support 90 - 500 - -
3: Diversity 125 30 2,100 100 7
4: Nederland and the world 150 30 20,000 100 7
5: GLAM partnerships 275 200 16,000 650 15
6: Education 400 50 500 100 10
7: Thematic priorities: nature and health 100 20 6,000 500 2
8: Public affairs and communication 20 - - - -
TOTAL FOR ALL PROGRAMS 1,715 1,820 345 350 45,000 45,100 3,860 1,450 38 45


Response by WMNL[edit]

Thank you for pointing this out, Delphine, and apologies for the mistake. I have corrected the table (see below). Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland (talk) 09:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)


Table 3

Shared metrics

  1. Participants: The number of people who attend your events, programs or activities, either in person or virtually. This definition does not include people organizing activities, social media followers, donors, or others not participating directly.
  2. Newly registered: The number of participants that create new accounts on a Wikimedia project. These include users who register up to two weeks before the start of the event.
  3. Content pages: A content page is an article on Wikipedia, an item on Wikidata, a content page on Wikisource, an entry on Wiktionary, and a media file on Commons, etc. This metric captures the total number of content pages created or improved across all Wikimedia projects.

Grantee-defined metrics

  1. other languages WP + WS: Number of items added or improved on other language versions (i.e. non-Dutch) of Wikipedia and Wikisource
  2. Retention: Number of people who registered as editors during a WMNL-activity and are still active three months after the activity was completed
Program Participants Newly registered Content pages other languages WP + WS Retention
1: Community Health 660 20 - - 4
2: Community support 90 - 500 - -
3: Diversity 125 30 2,100 100 7
4: Nederland and the world 150 30 25 20,000 100 2500 7 0
5: GLAM partnerships 275 200 16,000 650 15
6: Education 400 50 500 100 10
7: Thematic priorities: nature and health 100 20 6,000 500 2
8: Public affairs and communication 20 - - - -
TOTAL FOR ALL PROGRAMS 1,715 1,820 345 45,000 45,100 3,860 3,850 38


Table 3 notes: