Grants talk:IdeaLab/Inspire/Archives/2016/March

A couple ideas I might submit later

Here are a couple ideas I have that I think could be a good fit for this campaign. I may write these up later but I'm dropping them here for now:

1. Activate pending changes. There are positives and negatives for doing this, but, if we do turn it on, then we could potentially eliminate almost all edit filters and vandalism. If we change the process to require IP's to use the pending changes feature as well as use it on all fully protected pages and potentially for brand new accounts that aren't confirmed or autoconfirmed, then we could al but eliminate Cluebot, the edit filters and we could unblock every IP regardless of whether it was a proxy. We could then use bots to do some of the obvious approvals and disapprovals (like blanking the page, inserting gibberish, etc.). It would of course require people to review the changes.
2. Better tagging> Currently a lot of people drop tags but don't follow up but also, many of the tags are so generic their meaningless. It would be much better to go to a more inline system where the tag was left where the problem was, not as a general banner sprawled across the top of the screen.Reguyla (talk) 22:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Reguyla: Thanks Reguyla. The campaign will last all through March, so there is plenty of time to work on these proposals and gather feedback from others. FYI, in my capacity as an editor, I'm fully in favor of seeing a better tagging system. I agree that it is disruptive to editors when they are faced with a tag with no context or explanation. And if the tag lacks substance, this harms readers who presume there is something wrong with the article. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't think we'll ever get away from maintenance tags completely but personally I favor inline tags placed in the location of the problem over generic banners at the topic of the page. I find its much more likely to be fixed and isn't as distracting to the reader. My fear is that some would favor completely removing the info or article altogether, which, unless it relates to a BLP, I think is unnecessary. Even if it's unreferenced having an article on a thousand year old Castle isn't going to hurt anything. I do think BLP's should be more vigorously reviewed. Reguyla (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@I JethroBT (WMF): After further consideration I'm not going to waste my time submitting any suggestions for improvement. These campaigns like Inspire are just a waste of time. If so many individuals in the communities are going to allowed to violate policy and get away with it, none of these are going to be effective. The sites are going to continue to lose good people to make way for the bad ones. If the WMF is interested in stopping that then great, but I see nothing to make me think they even want to get involved and until they do then all these ideas people are submitting are going to amount to nothing more than a waste of time. Reguyla (talk) 11:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree that these are a waste of time, then. You don't have to participate if that's how you feel. Furthermore, you know as well as I do that the WMF can't throw its weight around (whatever weight it has, anyway) on matters of policy outside of the most egregious matters like legal and copyright matters. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Confused

I can't find what I did wrong... I thought I followed the process but obviously I missed something. I created Grants:IdeaLab/WLX Jury Tool : improved tool and great service but it does not appear in the list of Inspire ideas. It is not linked to anything. How to fix that ? Anthere (talk)

@Anthere: I've been putting incoming ideas in manually for now to Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Ideas/Content curation & review when I have an opportunity to check. User:GrantsBot will be doing this automatically in the next week, but the bot is not yet ready to do so. Hence, I've tried to be vigilant, but I do need to step away now and again. :P Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh. No problem. I thought it was automatic. Hence my confusion ;) Thanks Anthere (talk)

I am confused too. I just created an idea about "Old maps in Commons" but when I clicked the final button nothing happened. Has it been registered? --Hispalois (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

@Hispalois: My apologies-- I've just created an option to manually create the page using the editor, so please feel free to recreate your idea. The other button uses Meta:FormWizard to make idea preparation a little easier; I can't explain why it would fail to create a page, but I'll make sure to follow up with Jmorgan (WMF) to see if something is the matter. Thanks for letting me know. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe there was some work being done on some of the related servers. Its possible the process wasn't working at the time and couldn't sync with Meta when they tried to submit that idea. I'm not sure if the forms use OA Auth or something else, but it might have been temporarily not working. Reguyla (talk) 11:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

misattribution of a creator

In Grants:IdeaLab/Automatic reminders to authors of articles that have not been changed over time it is written that it is User:Jossi2 who is the creator in the main page (Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire) it is written that it is User:Anthere. -- Xavier Combelle (talk) 10:41, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

@Xavier Combelle: Fixed! Thanks. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 10:53, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Could- not found my idea in the Idea-lists

I submitted an Idea today. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Find_Terminology_from_Concept Grants:IdeaLab/Find Terminology from Concept

But I could-not found my submitted idea on the list-pages such as

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas

and

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard

Please make it Visible, so-that Experts could receive this. Also, automatically update all-the new-entries , plz.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 08:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI: Hey Rit. Thanks for getting your idea started on improving how search works on-wiki. All of these places do update automatically, it's just that some take a little longer than others to update. I do see your idea on Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas, so I think it updated after your message. As for Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard, that page updates once a day, and I think it only posts ideas that have some feedback. If you know of other people who might be interested in your ideas around searching for information, let them know about it, and please invite them to endorse or give you suggestions. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I checked again the 2 places,https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire/Leaderboard

But I couldn't found it. However I'm very-much new in wikiedit, as well I don't know others on wiki. However, wiki-pages and wiki-domains should be much much more connected, automatically updated, synchronized. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok.solved. I added 2 categories on it (Category:Inspire campaign, and IdeaLab/Ideas/Tools and technology) & now its visible. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 12:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I have a similar problem. My idea (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/COOL-WD) is not listed on the frontpage (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire). Any hint? Fadirra (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Solved. -- Fadirra (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2016 (UTC)