Hi Thuvack. Thanks for submitting this grant proposal. It's exciting to learn that Gille de Vlieg is willing to release 300 of her photos into the public domain and that there is a community of people, including university students and SAHA, who are enthusiastic about using the materials. From the budget, it looks like the main cost is the actual digitization of material. Unfortunately, we cannot pay for someone to do the digitization work directly. Considering the relatively small number of photos, are there volunteers with WMZA or SAHA who could do this part of the project? We are happy to support expenses in support of organizing activities for training and integration. Additionally, since this is a new proposal, it should be submitted either to the Rapid Grants program (under 2,000 USD) or to the Project Grants program (over 2,000 USD), which is accepting proposals until October 11th for the current round. I'm going to change the status to draft since we are closing out the PEG program. If you'd like me to move it over to Rapid or Project I am happy to do so. Cheers, Alex Wang (WMF) (talk) 03:29, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Hi there Alex Wang (WMF). Thanks for this feedback. Indeed the digitization is a main feature for this project. The images are of day to day life in black townships during the roughest times in the history of our nation and are very hard to come by. Unfortunately the images are in negatives format/film and thus cannot be easily developed, hence the digital scanning. The scanning will follow the following process:
- 1) - Gille will pick 300 of the pics still in scann-able shape (The negatives that is). The negatives were either black & white Kodak Tri-X film or Ilford HP5, from a Canon A1 or Canon T70 Camera.
- 2) - These are then sent to a digitizing shop which is able to read the negatives fairly and to convert these into digital format.
- 3) - Gille will then have to retouch these and make them presentable for uploading.
- We at WMZA have neither the necessary scanner (Of film negatives) nor volunteers with the skills to conduct this scan/digitization work. This is why we have presented the grant request in the format we have.
- Please move the grant request to the Project Grants program for us, as this is still a bit confusing for me. Thanks for the response and the assistance. --Thuvack (talk) 08:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Thuvack. Thanks for the additional details and context. Since the deadline for Project Grant proposals for round 2 is today, I've moved your proposal over so it has been submitted. We still would like to learn more about the community engagement aspect. Please note the schedule for Project Grants [Grants:Project|here]]. Alternatively, Rapid Grants are considered on a rolling basis for projects under $2,000. Best, Alex Wang (WMF) (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Not yet eligible, round 2 2016
Please note your proposal is not yet eligible for funding because WMZA has two overdue grant reports. These reports must be complete and submitted (with documentation of expenses) by October 28th in order to be eligible for committee review.
Eligibility confirmed, round 2 2016
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Aggregated feedback from the committee for WM_ZA/Joburgpedia_Digitization_2016
|(A) Impact potential
|(B) Community engagement
|(C) Ability to execute
|(D) Measures of success
|Additional comments from the Committee:
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- Aggregated committee comments from the committee are posted above. We recommend that you review the feedback and post any responses, clarifications or questions on this talk page.
- Following due diligence review, a final funding decision will be announced on December 16.
Hi Thuvack. We've posted the aggregated feedback from the committee above and we appreciate your feedback on their remaining main points of concern. I've summarized them below, but please read the full comments above. You can respond by make changes directly to the proposal as needed. 1) As noted in our funding guidelines, we only fund digitization projects that clearly demonstrate that there is community need for and interest in using the materials being digitized. We understand that you will be organizing editathons with SAHA staff to use the material, but it would be helpful to know how the photos were chosen, by whom, and if there is a broader interest in using them on the Wikimedia projects. The "Community Notification" and "Endorsements" sections are areas in the proposal that the committee looks to for broader community support.
- Hi Alex. As Wikimedia ZA, we have been advocating for greater representation of African Content in Wikipedia, and more specifically South African Content. This project is our effort to do just that. One of the prominent content project in the english wikipedia that we have been monitoring is WikiProject South Africa. This is one project that has benefitted from previous digitization project we did as part of Joburgpedia. Although the community involvement in the actual digitization process is minimal due to the technical nature of the digitization process, there is greater community engagement during the planned editathons.
- The pictures will be chosen by the Photo-Journalist, who has kept a reasonable archive of other notes related to the pictures including dates, to assist us in cross-referencing. Again we have invited the community to participate in vetting pictures that will be uploaded. During the last AGM of the chapter, active members expressed interest in the project and in the vetting process to ensure that good quality and relevant content is uploaded. There is no question about interest in using these pictures, in fact we believe that these pictures will be useful in sparking creation of new stubs/start-class articles.
2) It would be helpful to better understand the partnership with SAHA and the vision for how this partnership will develop. As commented above, "It’s not clear how this work will be sustained , and I’d like more details on the benefits of developing a partnership with SAHA--for example: Are there future opportunities for collaboration? Have SAHA staff expressed interest in contributing to WMF projects? etc. If the main aim is to acquire images, then this does not seem sustainable in the long term because the project team does not have the necessary expertise or equipment to do digitization...However, the goal/desired outcome of the partnership with SAHA is unclear to me. Besides 10 new articles created, what can we expect from this partnership?"
- SAHA would be a great partner to have as the Wikimedia ZA chapter. It is the custodian to the biggest Historical Archives about South Africa, second only to our National Archives. Our aim, as was with Johannesburg Heritage Foundation, is to build a collaborative partnership, that will make it easy for community members to access the archives, as well as make it easy for SAHA to donate images to wikipedia well into the future. The Editathons are just a beginning. We have been in contact with the outgoing manager as well as the incumbent manager about this event and both have expressed interest in working with us as a chapter.
- The images belong to the Gille De Vlieg a Photo-Journalist who is an associate with SAHA. She already has a separate collection maintained by SAHA, whose description can be seen Here.
- The involvement with SAHA will be on the editathon at the moment, with the aim of us working out how SAHA can contribute high value images in the future, notwithstanding the possible licensing issues. This way we will empower them to also run their own wikipedia related projects in the future.--Thuvack (talk) 13:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
3)Since we will not have the Joburgpedia 2016 report before making a decision on this grant, it would be helpful to have an update on those activities and how this grant is a development of the project.
Please respond to the above and/or make updates to the proposal by Friday, December 2nd. The committee will meet on December 5th and decisions will be announced on December 16th. Cheers, Alex Wang (WMF) (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Round 2 2016 decision
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Project Timelines updated
Hi there @User:Jtud (WMF) & @Alex Wang (WMF). We have updated project timelines to suit our current pace and the logitical challanges we have had thus far. Please advise if we should apply for a time extension. --Thuvack (talk) 14:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I have been in contact through a series of meet-ups with Thuvack (talk) and Gille De Vlieg and will be taking over this project as project lead since Thuvack (talk) is now WMF staff.Bobbyshabangu (talk) 03:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)