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Link to Values[edit]

Link to Wikimedia Foundation Values would be more useful (instead foundation:Values). Page Wikimedia Foundation Values may be translatable in the nearest future. --Kaganer (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree Divinesomu (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

NPO Accounting Software for Currency Conversions[edit]

https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2017/nov/22/introducing-oxrlib/ --Nemo 17:18, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nemo: Thanks Nemo. We currently use services from Oanda to handle general currency conversions related to grants, but this looks like a useful tool to handle conversions from multiple currencies. That's a situation that comes up often enough for grantees that I'd like to look into whether this is something we could recommend. My one concern is that, as it is right now, only folks with some knowledge of coding/APIs will be able to use it, as there isn't enough documentation for folks without that kind of technical experience. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to merge talk pages for grants[edit]

Currently there are various talk pages for different WMF grants I propose to merge all of these into a single talk page here. Benefits of doing so would be the following:

  1. Less confusion about where to post
  2. Centralized conversation about WMF grants
  3. Easier for users to watch one single page, which also would build a community of regulars in the forum
  4. Easier to search all previous discussions in a centralized archive

Here are the grant talk pages which I have found and which I propose to merge here:

  1. Grants talk:Project/Rapid
  2. Grants talk:TPS
  3. Grants talk:Project
  4. Grants talk:Start/Individuals
  5. Grants talk:Conference
  6. Grants talk:Simple
  7. Grants talk:APG

Here are some problems which a merge would address:

  1. The talk page is dead - Grants talk:Simple, Grants talk:TPS, Grants talk:APG, Grants talk:Conference
  2. Page attracts posts which are general discussion of WMF grants, not specific grant type for which forum is designated Grants talk:Project/Rapid, Grants talk:Project

I would not oppose forking out discussion pages after the merge if it happens that one type of grant gets much more discussion than the others, but right now, I would say that there is no regular discussion for any sort of grant. The usual wiki response to fragmented discussions on many similar topics is a merge of talk pages. Thoughts from others? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I am posting notices on the above pages of my intent to merge soon. I am directing anyone with comments to post here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Blue Rasberry, which imminent/actual problem are you trying to solve here? Your assumptions for why talk pages aren't used very often are based on which information? Braveheart (talk) 13:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Braveheart: The actual problem here is that these talk pages are contrary to the status quo of Wikimedia community culture. No one should have to argue for talk pages to be organized in the normal way. My first assumptions are that there is an obvious normal way to do things here and the system here is not normal.
If I were to make an argument then I would note that main page here says that US$9 million goes through the grants process, which is about 10% of the Wikimedia annual funds. Despite that, neither is this talk page used much, nor are there many messages on all of these pages collectively. Obviously people care because they have questions. I think something about this infrastructure is a barrier to discussion here and unnecessarily encouraging less organized discussion, which is why I advocate for the standard way of organizing here.
"Wikimedia Grants" is a topic which I know that tens of thousands of people in the wiki community discuss monthly, and yet the main discussion page in the Wikimedia platform gets only a few comments a year. I cannot immediately think of comparable situations for other topics, and I think this odd talk page system is the most apparent difference here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:00, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
The problem is Meta itself, not a vast array of talk pages. I for one don't wont to talk about APG grants mixed in with individual or rapid grants because it gets too confusing. Affiliates are discouraged from commenting on other grants because it would come across as petty or patronizing, depending on the relationship with the other grantees. Hardly anyone reads the grants themselves and I surely wouldn't want to turn Meta into a second toxic Wikimedia-l. This problem needs big changes, not the reorganisation of some trivial talk pages ;-) Braveheart (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Reports for WMF grants funded in FY Pending[edit]

There are 132 pages in this category, some of them from 2014 or earlier. In many cases it seems to be a miscategorisation. --Nemo 10:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Category mingling[edit]

I'm trying to make sure that it's possible to navigate the categories for grant reports (or selected proposals if impossible) by criteria which trascend the specific grant program, for instance the grantee. See:

When no specific subcategory is available for a grantee, better add the proposal/report to a category named after the grantee, so that other related proposals can be found more easily. Often the grant pages are also the only pages describing what a certain group does. --Nemo 10:30, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there any annual report of WMF grants?[edit]

I would like to get a report which shows money distributed through the WMF grants program versus other categories.

  • money by region (global north versus south, by continent or subcontinent, whatever)
  • by thematic focus (if anyone does topic tagging like "women", "minority languages", whatever)
  • by type of grant program (rapid, APG, project)

One specific question that I want to answer is the total amount of money which went from the WMF Grants program into India for whatever years there is data. Does anyone know if there are general reports, and specifically, where I can find grants info for, by, or about the region of India? Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Hi Lane. We have some of this information available regarding breakdown by grant program and some thematic focus on Meta (i.e. gender-gap focused, funding that supports emerging communities_, see Community Resources/Grants spending analysis. Gathering information on funding to a specific country will take a bit more time. MJue (WMF) or Jtud (WMF), is it possible to gather this information? I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@I JethroBT (WMF), Jtud (WMF), and MJue (WMF): I do not want to put anyone out of their way for reports, but if there is information about India, then I would like it. Wikimedia India is on track for derecognition by AffCom and there is a request for numbers about WMF finance in India to the community and otherwise. If you can get information by Wikimania in August then people would discuss it in person there. If this is too much trouble, then it could also be useful for you to say so. The general desire here for members of Wikimedia India to learn about the relationship India has with the WMF in terms of money.
I am looking that that emerging communities report and how this is reported on the "grants spending analysis" page. Thanks for this - the choice of reporting percentage breakdowns of individuals, emerging, and gender gap is a good division which applies to most discussions which the Wikimedia community is having. As I look at this, I am wishing that all these grants could have Wikidata/Wikibase tagging so that it would be possible to query these and run reports.
About the "grants spending analysis" - I see that the talk page has no comments and there are 5 incoming links from public pages reported at Special:WhatLinksHere/Community_Resources/Grants_spending_analysis. I take this to mean that this page is not well known, especially for how important it ought to be in guiding the many strategy discussions we are having now. I might like to present this somehow, maybe in English Wikipedia's The Signpost after the Q4 numbers get posted. I will think about this, thanks for all the information. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
The WALRUS meetup last night discussed access to information about grant funding in the monthly meeting documented at WALRUS/July 2019 (notes in etherpad, to be transferred to meta soon). The context there was wondering how much money went to conferences, which is something that you already report, so thanks. There was a request for regional information, not about India, but in general.
Pine}, you said in that meeting that around 2016 you had seen a report breaking down grant allocations by region. Do you have more information about that? Even if it was a one-off I am interested. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: I believe that at one time I saw a map which showed how much WMF grant funding was distributed per continent, but I cannot recall the year in which I saw that map. If a global map is not needed for your specific interest in India then I suggest that you request information about grant spending in India only, because this will probably be easier for WMF to research. My guess is that WMF would be willing to provide approximate totals for grant spending in each year for at least the past few years, with two important limitations: 1. funding for grants to individual people may need to be approximated or omitted in order to protect user privacy, and 2. some grants may be spent in or may effect multiple countries, such as if a Wiki Loves Monuments organizer used part of a WMF grant to travel from another country to India and stayed for a few days before departing. In addition to regular grant spending, you may want to ask for WMF for information about WMF spending in India that was done outside of the public WMF grants processes, such as for contracts with consultants, attorneys, or public relations organizations. --Pine (✉) 02:59, 13 July 2019 (UTC)