IRC office hours/Office hours 2014-12-10

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00:26 <arrbee> #startmeeting Language Engineering monthly office hour - December 2014

00:26 <wm-labs-meetbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 10 17:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is arrbee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.

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00:40 <arrbee> Hello, Welcome to the monthly office hour of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team

01:41 <arrbee> I am Runa and with me today from our team are aharoni jsahleen pginer Nikerabbit

01:57 <arrbee> kart may also join in a while

02:06 <Niharika> o/

02:24 <arrbee> Hello Niharika... good to see you as always :)

02:26 <Niharika> Hello everyone. Hi arrbee.

02:30 <Niharika> :) Same here!

03:08 <arrbee> Logs from the last office hour are at:

03:15 <arrbee> #link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2014-11-12

03:20 <aharoni> Salut!

03:35 <arrbee> And today's conversation will also be logged and publicly posted

04:05 <arrbee> A lot of people on the channel are already aware of what we do :)

04:29 <arrbee> But in case its the first time you are attending this meeting - we are the Language Engineering team of the Wikimedia Foundation

04:48 <arrbee> We help maintain MediaWiki and the Wikimedia websites in more than 300 languages from around the world

05:10 <arrbee> Our team page is at:

05:14 <arrbee> #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_engineering

06:02 <arrbee> For the past few months we have been working on the Content Translation tool which can be used to create new Wikipedia articles by translating an existing article in another language

07:03 <arrbee> The tool is hosted on the Wikimedia beta servers and already being used for creating articles in the Catalan, Spanish and Portuguese Wikipedias

07:24 <arrbee> And a few other Wikipedias also, quite recently

07:52 <arrbee> We recently completed development of the 3rd version

08:11 <arrbee> There will be blog post about the announcement later today or tomorrow

08:36 <arrbee> Meanwhile you can read the release announcement at:

08:39 <arrbee> #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Announcement-November2014

09:11 <arrbee> So I will quickly start with some updates about the new features we added and continue the conversation as it flows

09:48 <arrbee> Until now we were very focused on the translation interface thats called 'Translation View'

10:17 <arrbee> Its the editing interface and translation tools like machine translation, link cards, dictionary etc.

10:34 <arrbee> n this version, we have added a new feature - Translation Dashboard

10:39 <arrbee> In*

10:52 <arrbee> Here is a screenshot of what it looks like:

10:59 <arrbee> #link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Content-Translation-User-Dashboard.png

11:50 <arrbee> So if you have attempted to translate at least one article since sometime last week, you will be able to view this dashboard

12:16 <arrbee> kart_ may have the exact dates from when it has been available

12:46 <arrbee> The articles that have been published in the user namespace are marked as 'published'

13:23 <kart_> Dec 4.

13:23 <arrbee> The articles that are marked as 'draft' have been saved automatically since the user began translating it

13:38 <arrbee> So definitely last week. Thanks kart_

14:19 <arrbee> Thats the second big feature we added - automatic saving as you translate

14:49 <arrbee> From this dashboard, the user can:

15:07 <arrbee> 1. Continue working on the unfinished translations

15:20 <arrbee> 2. Open the published article page

16:00 <arrbee> At this point of time, users cannot reload a published article in the translation interface

16:02 <arrbee> and

16:16 <arrbee> they cannot view translations made by any other user

16:41 * arrbee stops for a while to check if there are any questions

17:13 <arrbee> okay moving on

17:22 <arrbee> There is one important announcement:

18:03 <arrbee> You cannot go directly into the Special:ContentTranslation page any longer i.e. the page that had the language and article selector

18:37 <arrbee> On the beta wikis where everyone has been translating since July, we have now enabled Content Translation as a beta feature

19:33 <arrbee> If you haven't auto-enrolled for beta-features, then you'll have to turn it on and then go to the special page like before

19:46 <arrbee> #link http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation

20:26 <arrbee> If you are not logged in and if you haven't enabled the beta-feature, then that link above will show you an error - 'No such special page'

21:08 <arrbee> The reason we did this is because **drumroll** we are now preparing to include the tool as a beta feature in several Wikipedias

22:18 <arrbee> We are currently making the final list of Wikis based on user feedback, community requests and other criteria like machine translation quality

23:01 <arrbee> The first round of deployment will be completed sometime in mid-January

23:37 <arrbee> We have been running a survey to get inputs on some the languages that we wanted to evaluate

24:16 <arrbee> In a few weeks we should be able to announce the full list and more details on how thats going to happen

24:31 <aharoni> To clarify, these are REAL WIKIPEDIAS. Not testing or Beta sites.

24:48 <aharoni> But the feature will have to be enabled through preferences.

25:01 <arrbee> I did the **drumroll**. But I think CAPITALS work better :D

25:49 <arrbee> It wouldn't be a big list though, possibly just under 10 wikis

26:31 <arrbee> But Catalan, Spanish and Portuguese are strong candidates mostly because of their inclusion in the early stages

26:49 <arrbee> So that I think is the end of my update

28:03 <arrbee> aharoni: Did you want to add anything more about the updates from the new release

28:04 <arrbee> ?

29:20 * arrbee looks for the link to the language evaluation survey

29:54 <arrbee> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forms/d/1JzM2VAbd14bA5NpsMoxzbVO5Njw_bic4V5qtiuScX70/viewform

30:55 <arrbee> Please feel free to add your feedback about any language pairs you would like to see in Content Translation

31:57 <arrbee> Meanwhile we are well into the release cycle of the next version

32:12 <arrbee> The planned features are listed at:

32:15 <arrbee> #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Roadmap/CX03Release

33:09 <arrbee> And we will be doing an entire sprint for bug fixing and testing

34:12 <arrbee> jsahleen: There were some alignment related bugs that were quite distracting on the translation interface. I believe you are checking through them currently. Would you like to say something about that?

34:28 <aharoni> Nothing special to add except our enormous excitement about all of this.

34:55 <jsahleen> arbee: That's actually aharoni who is working on the alignment bugs. :)

35:36 <arrbee> ahh ok :)

35:39 <arrbee> aharoni: ^^

36:53 <jsahleen> arrbee: One thing we should mention is the new annotation mapping algorithm developed by sthottingal.

37:03 <arrbee> Very true

37:16 <jsahleen> It's quite brilliant and will work with a variety of languages.

37:34 <arrbee> I don't think it can be demo-ed easily at this point time

37:50 <arrbee> Maybe we can write about it. Santhosh defintely was planning to document it.

38:11 <jsahleen> You won't see much on the interface, but it is the magic that makes sure all the html tags and such end up in the right place when doing machine translation.

39:25 <arrbee> Like formatting tags

40:09 <aharoni> It's a matter of *not* having to do formatting work in the translation.

41:29 <arrbee> Thats right

42:04 <arrbee> Okay I don't think there are many questions for us today, so we can stop early :)

42:48 <arrbee> aharoni: jsahleen: kart_: Would you like to speak a little about the OPW projects you are mentoring this time?

47:25 <arrbee> Alright, possibly we can take that up in the next office hour after some progress has been made on the two projects

48:06 <arrbee> If there are no questions, I will wrap up now.

48:17 <arrbee> This ends the last office hour of year 2014

48:41 <arrbee> We will be back on 14th January 2015, but do lookout for the announcements for the exact date

49:02 <arrbee> Our mailing list is mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org and IRC channel is #mediawiki-i18n

49:23 <arrbee> You can also connect with us on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/language-engineering/

49:37 <arrbee> Thanks everyone!

49:43 <arrbee> #endmeeting
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