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Exemption Doctrine Policy

Could anyone please inform me whether it is necessary to request approval in establishing a local Exemption Doctrine Policy from the Wikimedia foundation, or is it enough if this gets organized locally? At the Bosnian Wikipedia we want to upload about 7000 SDSS satellite images which are distributed by the authors under a non-commercial license, which is of course non-free content. I couldn't upload this on commons because non-free content is explicitly prohibited. I am aware of the policy which should be regarded when considering this. -- Edinwiki (talk) 18:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Please see wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy. It is explained over there. Best regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki spamming, again

Hello. Back in October, I mentioned here that an IP editor is spamming new stub articles in wikis for obscure languages. He is back at it, with the same IP address ( and some of the same target articles. Example page history of Carrot Top article. User contributions on Corsican Wikipedia. User contributions on Basque Wikipedia. It looks like he's been at it for quite some time now. Elizium23 (talk) 05:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Good day, this page is to discuss the multilingual aspect of Meta. You should report your issue there: Vandalism reports if this is clear vandalism, if not there Steward requests/Miscellaneous. Thanks, Amqui (talk) 05:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Why does it matter if there are more interwikis? They will be replaced with Wikidata soon enough, anyway. πr2 (tc) 18:35, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Internet Brands/Wikitravel still on

Anyone aware of this? Bennylin 04:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

How is this a problem? It's not operated by the WMF, and it also contains the non-Wikimedia Wikia and WikiHow. It is for "projects based on MediaWiki [...]", so it doesn't just include Wikimedia sites. Regards, πr2 (tc) 05:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Global settings changer bot?

Hi. I seem to remember seeing somewhere a request page for a bot which can change your Special:Preferences, signature, and possibly some other stuff across all wikis (or all the wikis you specify). Could someone point me to the request page for that bot? Thanks, It Is Me Here t / c 16:05, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Here: User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Synchbot. --MF-W 16:10, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Pages related to Chapters

Is ther any policy or agreement that pages which are somehow related to Chapters should be here on Meta as subpages of chapter page?--Juandev (talk) 06:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

No. And being a subpage doesn't change the nature of the page, just to be safe. --Nemo 21:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

CodeEditor extension deployment on Schema:

Tracked in Phabricator:
Bug 42561

MZMcBride offers to deploy the CodeEditor extension on meta. for the Schema: namespace.

He sees two advantages:

  1. ease the JSON edit, especially where tabs are implied;
  2. to stress-test the extension outside of's Scribuntu namespace.

Do you agree with this deployment? --Dereckson (talk) 13:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Support Support Don't see why not. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support: obviously. Though I question the need to have a vote about something like this. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
    It's advised to demonstrate consensus on the affected wiki prior to filing a bug. In fact, MZ, I'm pretty sure you're one of the people who first pointed that out to me when I first got started on Bugzilla! ;) As a note to anyone following along, the bugzilla entry listed to the right has a much more thorough discussion of why this might be a good idea. -Pete F (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
    Context is important. You're omitting most of it here.
    It's important to demonstrate consensus if the change will affect users, especially in a negative manner. In this case, we're talking about adding an enhancement feature (that includes a toggle switch) to a specialized namespace that's only intended to be edited by a small subset of users (Wikimedia Foundation staff and local site administrators).
    There's an actual cost to having discussions such as this (particularly in terms of time). Volunteer time is a precious commodity. It shouldn't be wasted on discussions such as this. If it's a non-controversial change, consensus is not really required. In fact, most feature requests do not require consensus to be implemented and attempting to gather consensus for every feature request would slow the system to an unacceptable pace. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
    If I'm omitting anything, it's only because I don't know it -- not willfully. It seems to me that what you're saying here would be most usefully expressed on the MediaWiki page I linked above, which as far as I know is the main place where the desired use of Bugzilla is described -- and which at present is very thin.
    In this case, it looks as though Dereckson, since he/she felt compelled to seek input, probably disagrees with you about how controversial or non-controversial this change is. I don't know why that is, but it appears to be the reason why this discussion or vote is happening. (In fact, it seems to me that every time I've seen disagreement about what is required to determine consensus about a bug, there has been disagreement about whether or not it is controversial -- sometimes resulting from a lack of clarity about what is being proposed and what its consequences will be.) -Pete F (talk) 03:39, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. I don't know how useful it'll be as a test of the extension, but it'll certainly provide a much better interface for editing JSON. --Ori.livneh (talk)
  • Question. Why only for the Schema namespace? Ruslik (talk) 07:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
    CodeEditor isn't a catch-all editing interface; it's specifically designed for editing code. -- 06:00, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
    Sure, but Ruslik0 may have been referencing other pages that contain code (for example, MediaWiki:Common.js). I agree that it would be nice to get the CodeEditor extension deployed on these pages as well. I think Ori is going to work on this. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Without objection, now done by Ori. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it's deployed and working. I love it, makes editting scripts easier (and works on MediaWiki:xxx.js too). Regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

An important milestone

YesterdayTwo days ago (19th) we hit another milestone: 25 millionth articles in all Wikipedias. . Congratulations! Bennylin 16:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! Do we have any idea which article might be the 25 millionth? :) Mathonius (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, it should be 19th, not 20th, according to this. Bennylin 18:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations to all who helped Wikipedia to reach this goal! Let's add it to Wikipedia milestones. πr2 (t • c) 21:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Applying Kinyarwanda menu translations

Hi! A user left a translation guide for the menu names (still in English) at the Kinyarwanda Wikipedia: rw:Talk:Main_Page#Translations - But they have not yet been applied and it doesn't seem active. How should they be applied? WhisperToMe (talk) 08:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Some can be done locally, others need to be done on BetaWiki (non-WMF project). I'll see if I can fix some of them. πr2 (t • c) 20:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I fixed some page names and User:Vogone fixed some other stuff. Most translations (like names of namespaces) are done on ( In the future, you can ask here for things related to Meta-Wiki itself or on the Wikimedia Forum for non-Meta questions. Also, you can ask on SRM for specific admin actions on small wikis. πr2 (t • c) 23:16, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Deleting/moving Schemas

Hey all. Just wanted to get more eyeballs on my addition to Meta:Deletion policy#Miscellaneous. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks like M1 would apply to these anyway, because it is uncontroversial cleanup. πr2 (t • c) 21:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
It's quite difficult to find information about schemas, so it might (also) be useful if the deletion policy mentioned such pages. If Steven's addition is accepted, then we should probably add the reason to MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown as well. Mathonius (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I think Meta:Deletion policy is kinda outdated and could use some tuning. Best regards. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
As a start at better documentation, I added Schema to the list at Meta:Namespaces. Thankfully, User:Kmenger is a technical writer who is working to better document how EventLogging works, which should include a solid description of schemas. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Fundraising proposal for modeling user behaviour on WMF properties

All, the Fundraising team is looking for methodologies for modeling how users use our sites so that we can attempt to devise new fundraising strategies. I've written an RfC describing one such experiment and welcome your feedback. Mwalker (WMF) (talk) 01:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Use of Site Notice over affirmation of th-project name(s)

Please see the discussion posted here, though only person who fall under the eligibility may vote and/or join in the discussion of affirmation (on its main page.) --G(x) (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Help:Keyboard shortcuts needs some work

Somebody who knows about the keyboard shortcuts should look at Help:Keyboard shortcuts#Default Shortcuts. I've described the issue on the Talk page under question marks. -- Thnidu (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Somewhat large possible page move may need more eyes

Please see Meta:Proposed page moves#Board elections to Wikimedia Foundation Board elections. From the limited response, it seems as if it should go through, but with 2200+ subpages, some more eyes for completeness and ideas about how to accomplish this would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Avi (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Should be done by bot (you can't move more than 100 subpages at a time anyway), and if there are translatable subpages you should skip them entirely and move separately (bugzilla:42025), remembering that worst cases may still fail (bugzilla:41138). --Nemo 17:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)