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All content in Category:Indefblocked Meta users[edit]

Now that the category is gone, maybe we should just nuke all its entries there. Ping @Herbythyme, Trijnstel, and Billinghurst. I've been testing a deletion script recently. I can delete them all using either my admin account or creating an ad hoc bot admin account for that only purpose. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe that some need to be retained, and those retained need a suitable category. Some are clear community level bans that happened through discussion and such pages should not be deleted, which is why I stopped the other day and left comment with my pings. So at this stage, my retention thoughts are anything that has a user page, and a user talk page with {{unblock}} definitely, and anything that is a size above a minimal level size (not yet worked out what size, but something that has a discussion and not just a template with warning).  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:12, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Maybe some can be kept, but all? I don't think so. Any ideas? —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
From flicking through random pages in category, there are a lot of spambots, and they should go, all of those makes it harder to see those we may want to keep. Gut feel that as a first cut we do NOT want user talk pages on list that are less than 1800 bytes, and do not contain {{unblock}}. Though we may want to get there in a couple of steps. Firstly clear just those with {{warning message}} but not {{welcome}} and not {{unblock}} and less than 1000 bytes.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
And using special:massdelete gadget (s:MediaWiki:Gadget-massdelete.js) with account on flooder with a select list is how I was going to do it.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Is it an idea to manually start deleting pages we definitely want to get rid of? Trijnsteltalk 22:08, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
I can pull a list of user/user talk pages no longer than, say, X bytes long, paste the output on a file and run a deletion script for them if that helps. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, please. @Billinghurst: you will communicate with MarcoAurelio about this, I assume? Trijnsteltalk 18:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

All IP talk pages older than 1 year[edit]

Some time ago MZMcBride did cleanup old IP talk pages. I guess we should do the same once more. Thoughts? —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

It's ok for me, we can keep several of them if needed.--Syum90 (talk) 10:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Why they should be removed? The old discussion from 2009 is here btw: Meta:Babel/Archives/2009-01#Old_IP_talk_pages. Stryn (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Don't see the value in doing it. So unless there is a good argument put forward, not in favour.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:53, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
To me, the value in doing it—always assuming that the pages are quiet for a year—is that IP talk pages almost always reflect warnings of one sort or another, but not warnings that necessarily apply to a new IP coming to the project. Why start someone off with a negative perception? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


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We don't have any local ban policy, so what is a ban is unclear. Propose to redirect it to Template:Indefblocked I also propose to remove the "banned" option in Template:Indefblocked. For global ban we already have {{WMF-legal banned user}} and {{Community banned user}}.--GZWDer (talk) 09:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Redirect makes sense. As far as the "banned" option in {{Indefblocked}} goes, I'm substantially indifferent, but do have one question. My understanding is that in some circumstances, a community-banned user is still allowed to edit in a limited way on Meta, if for no other reason than to appeal the community ban. So I wonder if that option should stay, in order to call out a situation when a community-banned user is not even allowed that limited editing on Meta. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC) Clearly not necessary to worry about that. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
There's no banning policy alike w:WP:BAN here, yes. That doesn't mean that an indefblocked user can return with another account and we'll treat that as abuse of multiple accounts. I am indiferent as long as we don't start making things bureaucratic and difficult to understand. If any user is blocked on meta indefinitely for any reason, the user is not allowed to come back in general with any account. Obviously common sense apply and if the user was blocked because of their username, then if he returns with a valid username I'd say there's no violation here. —MarcoAurelio 10:58, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Merge with {{Indefblocked}}, we don't actually "ban" a user locally, it's enough to either indef block or global ban. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Delete, you can't be "banned from Meta-Wiki". --MF-W 13:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Better to let the whole template redirect, then, especially since redirects are cheap. That will remind anyone who actually has a thought about placing a "banned" template on someone's page that it's not a correct thing to do. (But then the banned option can be removed.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I think that would tempt people to a wrong use of "banned" as a synonym for "blocked". --MF-W 23:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The term "banned" is already being misused.--GZWDer (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I do not speak English so I hope you all can excuse me for that horrible mistake. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:56, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Honestly I don't mind your usage of it. A ban is defined (in English) as an official prohibition against using a service, I think an indef block qualifies as that. – Ajraddatz (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Delete. I also think that deleting the template is better in order to avoid confusion, and also removing the "banned" option from the template {{Indefblocked}}.--Syum90 (talk) 07:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

  • substitute and delete; to avoid red-links. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 08:51, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment looking at how it is being used, I would recommend that we leave it as is. This template utilises "indefblock" and it is being used supplementary to either community or WMF-legal notice to indicate to users that the account should not be un(b)locked without further consultation. Each user with this template has been banned by one of the two processes, so it is the case that a ban has been applied.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
billinghurst It's funny you say that and within the same few minutes then protect the user page of a user who's ban was a bullying tactic by James Alexander of the WMF to show the community what happens when editors stand up to admin abuse. Reguyla was routinely bullied, trolled and harassed by admins and functionaries including on this very project right in front of you and you all didn't lift a should be ashamed of yourselves. Reguyla's ban wasn't done by the WMF, everyone knows it was just Jamesofur/James Alexanders that did it. What better way to show that the term "banned" doesn't have any value here. 2601:5CC:101:2EF2:3D95:A817:5B32:32B0 18:17, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Sure, whatever alternate view of reality you wish to put on it.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:59, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
  • In five users using banned template, only one (PauloHelene) have local community discussion. The other four are blocked without community discussion.
  • For these "banned" users (except socks), in my opinion they may be unblocked if they promise to behave. I don't think a full community discussion is always needed. (There're no local unblock discussion of Reguyla either.)
  • For community or WMF-legal process of global ban, we have specific templates indicating it. I don't think a real community process of local ban is needed.

--GZWDer (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Three of those accounts are WMF blocks, so there is not requirement for a community discussion. They are still banned and the template applies. I cannot comment on the fourth account, you will need to talk to Huji but it does mention another account.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
    billinghurst which user are you referring to? I am quite confused. Huji (talk) 12:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
    @Billinghurst: For users banned by WMF, we already have {{WMF-legal banned user}}. For account User:ظهيری, it is blocked for impersonating of other user (and later found as a sock of Mjbmr), both are grounds of only indefinite local block, so the term "banned" should not be applicable here.--GZWDer (talk) 21:16, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Can we focus on the template again? This is not the place to review blocks. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I guess the consensus is for deleting or redirecting. --MF-W 16:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree. I'd just note that the template is transcluded on six user (talk) pages, so if the template is deleted, someone has to address that. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


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