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Wikimedians of Slovakia's Annual Report 2018[edit]

Basically the same report, in 2 languages:

The text below is from the English version. The Slovak version have the same issue, with even stronger wording.

The report contains false and libelled information about me (Michal Matúšov). The organisation haven't reacted on Meta for 7 months; private consultation (regarding the file on WMSK's website) is ongoing. The false, libelled information is in the section "Board changes" and texts "Michal Matúšov resigned his position as well as his membership in the organization on 20 December 2018. As a result, Radoslava Semanová, the deputy chair, became the only board member able to act in the name of the organization. However, she was staying abroad at the time. Accordingly, the board asked Michal Matúšov to register the organization for 2%. The then chair asked for a 100 euro reward for such action. The board, knowing the potential outcome of the 2% registration accepted it." More information on the topic is on the Talk:Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/en.

See also c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:WMSK – Výročná správa 2018.pdf.

--KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 19:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I will only add that the matter has been brought to the attention of AffCom. WMSK and I personally have been supportive of this inquiry and we have offered all the necessary information and explanation to AffCom. I hope you, KuboF, have done the same. Be well!--Jetam2 (talk) 14:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Just a correction: WMSK, Jetam2 personally and ex-member of Audit Committee Lukas Mikulec was in fact very unsupportive of this inquiry. During 7 months they made absolutely no reaction on Talk:Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/en nor on Talk:Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/sk, during more than 1 month no reaction on the original RfD and even was covering-up the falseness of the information in the report. Good to know that this is the "support" that WMSK is providing for the Wikimedia movement...
But back to the topic: The report spreads false and libelled information about living person for 5 months. I again ask admins for deletion. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I (and we) do not believe it is best practice to keep reacting and rereacting and rerereacting. Issues in the reports and others have been explained many a time on sk.wikipedia where they were first raised. See, especially here. There comes a point where more explanation will not advance anything. That is why we welcome AffCom's interest into the matter. Let AffCom judge our participation in the inquiry.--Jetam2 (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Jetam2, please keep this discussion on topic - its topic is the concrete report (Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/en, Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/sk), not any report (I am also not going to write here about bylaw violation of WMSK's functionaries here, simple because it would be off-topic...). I have raised objections about this specific issue on Talk:Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/en and Talk:Wikimedians of Slovakia/Reports/2018/sk but functionaries of WMSK was only covering up the issue without solving it. As the report is spreading false and libelled information about living person for more than half a year, I ask admins to proceed the request for deletion. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 10:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I wish you took your own advice and not spread libelous information about a cover up etc. In any case, I now understood that the chronology was indeed reversed. I corrected it.--Jetam2 (talk) 12:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Please refer to the report discussion page.--Jetam2 (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

KuboF Hromoslav, would it help to just replace your real name with your username for now? (While as I understand other people are still figuring out what is going on). It definitely does not look constructive to delete the whole report. --Base (talk) 23:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

This may sound usable at a glance, but it introduces another problem. The text presented is an official document. Changing its content without clear decision of the Generally Assembly would break its integrity. As a, not the best, compromise I have emptied the page and put up into the listing direct link to the original version. Hopefully admins can delete it quickly and WMSVK correct it officially so the document will contain only truthful information. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 14:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Blanking is hardly a compromise. For more information, I added a longer explanation of the contexts. Thanks!--Jetam2 (talk) 18:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Can I exactly know what is the basis of deletion? I really can't follow this discussion even after reading several times. Thanks much, willing to do what is needed. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: Took me a bit to unravel this as well. As I understand it KuboF Hromoslav has alleged that the report contains false and defamatory information, which is specified in the nomination statement. This has been disputed by Jetam2. In any event I've added my thoughts below, but what is really needed is an investigation by AffCom or whoever is responsible for sorting out these disputes. 𝒬𝔔 21:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment Comment, the essential question here is whether the section is defamatory as alleged. If so then deletion is appropriate as we should not host libel, or at the very least the offending section would need to be removed and previous versions revision deleted. If not however, an official report certainly fails within meta's inclusion policy. 𝒬𝔔 21:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this. AffCom is looking into it and WMSK is cooperating as requested and required. Be well!--Jetam2 (talk) 02:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Shall we defer to Affcom decision? I think there are members on Affcom who have rights to delete pages here, shall we let them do the necessary? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
@Camouflaged Mirage: yes, defer to AffCom is my current position on this in a nutshell. I guess we'll have to wait and see if any other independent observers feel differently. 𝒬𝔔 17:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


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