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Give details about your request here. --~~~~

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Manual requests[edit]

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Bot activity in Turkish Wikinews[edit]

Status:    blocked for a year, which should give time for further review

Over in the Turkish Wikinews, GrondinBot has created thousands of empty "daily" project pages and categories, and apparently will continue to do so forever into the future, despite the fact that the wiki has almost no editing community left and no admins, the bot was seemingly only explicitly approved to maintain interwiki links, and the users who were involved in the approval process (AFAICT) have not edited the wiki for about 5–8 years. See n:fr:User talk:Grondin#Daily pages, where I challenged the bot's operator on the necessity and validity of this bot work and was completely unsuccessful (the discussion includes more links to evidence — although to understand all of it, it would help if you read French as well as Turkish [I read neither]). I believe the work this bot does is no longer needed on that wiki and that the vast majority of pages it has created there should be deleted. Steward opinions on this? I posted a comment nearly identical to this one on the wiki's equivalent of the VP two weeks ago, and have gotten no response. - dcljr (talk) 20:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

You argument is basically that trwikinews is dead and should be closed. Ruslik (talk) 20:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Um, no, my argument is that the wiki has no real editing community and no admins, but has a bot that will be filling the wiki up forever with useless, empty pages. The bot should be stopped and the worthless pages deleted, but the wiki can sit there inactive forever, as far as I'm concerned. Inactivity is not a valid reason for closure, anyway. - dcljr (talk) 05:30, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, IMO, "no real editing community and no admins" are sufficient to close a wiki and bring them back to the incubator, but langcom won't buy my arguments, so... back to the discussion, if there is no community as you describe and there is no objection for few weeks (or a month), I guess bot can be blocked (to stop them). Deleting the debris will take more time than I want to, so if someone wants to do it, they should do it after getting temporary adminship. — regards, Revi 05:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Despite the fact that no one has commented on my n:tr:VP post (mentioned above), I know that won't be sufficient evidence for some people that the bot is no longer needed there. So I have notified several users on that wiki directly on their talk pages (namely, a handful of users who have edited in the main namespace in the last 30 days, as well as the three I linked to in my comment above who seemed to have something to do with getting the bot approved in the first place, years ago), pointing them to the VP discussion about the bot. We'll see if anyone comments, and if so, what they have to say. - dcljr (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, well, I have not been able to drum up any discussion at all on that wiki about the bot activity there in the intervening 2 months. I have notified the bot's owner about this and again asked him to stop the bot's work on that wiki. - dcljr (talk) 00:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@Dcljr: Any update on this? The archival of emptiness indeed seems useless to me, albeit not necessarily harmful. That being said, I do not think an intervention should happen if the bot operator indeed believes continuing his bot's operation is beneficial, considering the absence of protest by any local user. --Vogone (talk) 01:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Crickets. Next month (December 2018) will be the next time the bot is due to add hundreds of new useless pages, BTW. I can't help thinking that the bot owner is more interested in seeing his bot work on wikis than in determining whether that work is actually helpful. - dcljr (talk) 03:35, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, no page creations so far this month by GrondinBot in the Turkish Wikinews, but just FYI, here are some stats to provide more context. Since December 2009, the bot has created 4,871 pages in the wiki (not counting its own user and user talk pages, which were created 4 months earlier), which is 46% of all pages currently on the wiki. When split up by namespace, we find:
  • The bot has created 3,254 pages in the "Vikihaber" ("Wikinews") namespace, 90% of all pages in that namespace; of these, 1,613 (50%) have not been touched (by other users or by the bot itself) since they were created by the bot (these are marked as "current" revisions in the list of contributions by the bot — I have no easy way to determine how many of these pages have only been edited by the bot itself and no other users, although a random sample could provide an estimate).
  • It has created 1,617 categories, 52% of all existing category pages on the wiki (not of all categories in use, whether pages for them exist or not); of these, 472 (29%) have not been modified since being created by the bot. Of course, category pages often do not need changing once they are created, so the last stat is not very informative (it appears that the vast majority of the post-creation edits to the category pages are by bots modifying/removing interwiki links). I don't know how to easily tell for sure how many categories created by the bot are currently empty, but there are 1,168 unused categories on the wiki, of which 1,111 (95%) are named after dates, which is true of all categories created by the bot (IOW, it looks like at least 1,111 of the 1,617 categories created by the bot are currently unused, which would be 69%).
So, that's what we're dealing with in that wiki ("we" meaning Wikimedians in general — I don't actively contribute to the wiki). I hope the reason the bot has not yet created any pages this month is that the owner has decided to stop its activity over there. We'll see… - dcljr (talk) 23:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I have stuck a block on the bot for a year, in the hope that it will start a conversation. The block message points to this conversation at meta.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: It appears that your block message accidentally links to a (nonexistent) page on the Turkish Wikinews, not here on Meta. - dcljr (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Fixed. Damn "m" key on keyboard is jiggered. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Pending speedy deletion requests on nahwiktionary[edit]

Status:    On hold

Please check wikt:nah:Neneuhcāyōtl:Para borrar en breve (edit: 28 subcats, 42 pages ATOW. 18:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)). The only administator there has not been active in the last year (edits, logs). CC User:Marrovi as the author of most (all?) of those requests. Kind regards, Peter Bowman (talk) 18:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done, the "only administrator" you mentioned as well seems to be the author of most of these articles. I suppose it's best to wait until he returns. In the meantime, a ping (@Frank C. Müller:) should suffice. Regards, --Vogone (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
He really is the only one right now, no need to quote. I agree with you, though - it looked to me like he had left the project, but now I see he's still active elsewhere. Would it make sense to put this request on hold for one week or two until he responds? Peter Bowman (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
If you prefer, sure. I used quotation marks just to make it clear that I referred to someone whom you had previously mentioned. I am sorry if this has been misunderstood. Kind regards, —Vogone (talk) 15:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for pinging me and informing me via my german Wikipedia-user-page!
Yes, I still am an admin at the nahuatl Wiktionary, and I think even I still am a bureaucrat. But I retired from this project in about 2014. In the years between 2011 and 2013 except Marrovi I was nearly the only active user in the nahuatl wiktionary.
In contrast to me Marrovi is a native nahuatl speaker, and he was a studious author in many of our projects.
But also he is a bit special, and in the meantime he is blocked on many projects. On the one hand he edits a lot, but on the other hand he often ignores the rules and even the manifold advice of his co-authors, and he nearly never explains or justifies his actions.
In the nahuatl Wiktionary I had established a certain system in building the Wiktionary and representing the language. Marrovi was adding a lot of words, and I nearly always had to correct or complete his entries. I could accept his knowledge of the language, and he accepted my way of structuring the language in the Wiktionary.
But we only were two! And we stayed only two! After three years of activity I began to doubt, if it was so meaningfull to write a dictionary with only two authors: one who thinks, he knows how to write a Wiktionary, but without any deeper knowledge of the nahuatl language, and one native language speaker who not actually is able to contribute as a member of a team, of a community, which has certain rules. So I gave it up and concentrated on german Wikipedia, Commons, and german Wiktionary.
I had a look on Marrovi's deletion requests (Neneuhcayotl:Para borrar en breve). Obviously he tries to reorganize the nahuatl wiktionary. I don't know if his intention is meaningfull or includes a methodical plan, and - pardon me - I have no desire to clarify this. I guess, Marrovi nowadays is the only human user in the nahuatl wiktionary, and I also guess, this is a rather dangerous situation.
So, I actually don't know, what do do!
gruß, fcm. --Frank C. Müller (talk) 11:26, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi, @Frank C. Müller:, thank you for your comments (and thanks @Vogone: for reaching him on dewiki, I should have done that in the first place!). I have advised Marrovi to specify the sources he based his edits on, hoping it's a starting point to work on. mfG, Peter Bowman (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I show you my photographs about my works and meetings at the University of Warsaw, in Poland [1], at UNAM (my mother university) and in Wikipedia about the Nahuatl languages, because now you can prove that I'm not an ordinary user as you were led to believe, many years of work guarantee me, is bother for me that you get ripped off. See you.--Marrovi (talk) 01:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Taller sobre lengua náhuatl en archivos, Universidad de Varsovia y Archivo General de la Nación.jpg
Your questions have been answered, can you read my answer in my user talk, they never make a message on my user talk, about questions. Obviusly I need help with a new changes over the Nahuatl languages. --Marrovi (talk) 12:05, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Frank C. Müller, Are you understand Nahuatl languages? What is dangerous situation? No is the same Classical Nahuatl to Central Nahuatl or Huasteca Nahuatl, the words are differents, by this reason is neccesary to delete many articles. The Nahuatl laguages convention was the next month at INALI Institute; the standard alphabet for Nahuan languages is now A, B, CH, E, G, H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, S, T, U, W, X, Y. Now they are making researchs about linguistic seasons, to connect ideas between comunities and to know the idioms or variants. --Marrovi (talk) 12:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

The Nahuatl variants are a rich heritage for Mexico, Now I have a standard language (Nawatlahtolli), but we have got many Nahuan languages very interesting as Tetelcingo Nahuatl, Mecayapan Nahuatl, Pipil, Durango Nahuatl, Huasteca Nahuatl, Tlaxcala Nahuatl, Texcoco Nahuatl (all languages are diferents) as soon as Hochdeusch (Deutsch), Bavarian, Palatine, Low German, Swebisch, Swiss or Tirol.

Obviously I try to reorganize the nahuatl wiktionary, because this Mexican language is the most studied in the Americas with Maya, Quechua and Guarani. I'm to studied Nahuan languages by 15 years ago with Native people and Nahuatl institutes, as other persons, I know and I speak this language, but I am not Native speaker.--Marrovi (talk) 12:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia projects are not atractive projects by indigenous communities, is very complicated but is the reality, User:Tepoxteco is only the Nahuatl Native speaker in Wikipedia projects.--Marrovi (talk) 12:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I continue here.
@Marrovi: Thanks for your comment! You asked me "What is dangerous situation?": Dangerous is a wiki-project with only one user. Normally the wiki-projects are based on a community of many co-authors with a mutual supervision. This is the structural base of our quality. But a project with only one author has actually no supervision at all, and hence no proved quality. The quality is not proved: that's the danger.
@Peter Bowman: Where did you advise Marrovi to specify the sources?
gruß, fcm. --Frank C. Müller (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
@Frank C. Müller: I gave him my advice on eswiktionary, and his original request for help (several pending speedy deletions on nahwikt) is here. Regards, Peter Bowman (talk) 14:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
@Peter Bowman: Thanks for the links!
It's a bit complicated to keep together in mind all these edits in all these projects, all of them concerning the nahuatl languages and their representations in the different wiktionaries!
gruß, fcm. --Frank C. Müller (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Frank C Müller invented many words in different nahua spellings, it's a chaos to eliminate that incorrect material in nahwictionary.--Marrovi (talk) 04:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Large pagina merge at nl-wiki[edit]

Status:    In progress

Dear stewards, Per this request I kindly request that you merge two page history's. Leftovers from a mess created by Masti who seems to be unable to understand how to clean up the mess/what is aksked of him. I kindly request that you merge the page history of nl:Overleg gebruiker:MoiraMoira/OverlegArchief51 with the page history of nl:Overleg gebruiker:MoiraMoira. “Overleg gebruiker:MoiraMoira” should be the target page and “Overleg gebruiker:MoiraMoira/OverlegArchief51” the “source” page.

As a local sysop I concluded that the original request made by Jeroen N to our local administrators has merit and should be fulfilled. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them.

Regards, Natuur12 (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Natuur12 Is steward action still required? Thank you, Vermont (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Vermont yes, steward action is still required. Natuur12 (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I would like a response since this request is open for more than four months. It shouldn't take months to correct an error. Natuur12 (talk) 15:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Global deletion and replacement[edit]

Status:    In progress

As per the suggestion at the Synchbot page, I hereby make the following requests:

  1. Please go to and delete all the pages under these titles: User:Aristitleism, User:Aristitleism/.*, User_talk:Aristitleism/.*, User:Tiemianwusi, User:Tiemianwusi/.*, User_talk:Tiemianwusi/.*
  2. Please globally replace the word Aristitleism on any page with Tiemianwusi

Please proceed with my requests to the extent possible. Thank you so much. --Tiemianwusi (talk) 13:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Please, create a list of pages to be deleted. Ruslik (talk) 20:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Where possible, please delete the unused redirects and userpages according to the following lists. Thank you so much --Tiemianwusi (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

List 1: unused redirects[edit]

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List 2: unused userpages[edit]

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Deletions on sowiki[edit]

Status:    In progress

Please see so:Category:Tirtir, as well as the contribs of the following:

All pages in the category need deletion, as well as all the pages created by the IP’s, which are copyright violations copied and machine translated from the English Wikipedia. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Why are they copyright violations if they are copied from enwiki? Ruslik (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The main concern here is the poor quality of the machine translations. The attribution issues could surely be fixed. --Vogone (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The Share-alike part of the CC BY-SA 3.0 license, which is why xwiki attribution is a thing. Also, see above; I would go through and attribute, although it's useless as the pages are of terrible quality. Vermont (talk) 19:46, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Found another one: [2]. Also please nuke contribs of this user; the vast majority of pages created are machine translated from enwiki, and the others are copied graphs and charts. Vermont (talk) 20:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC) User dealt with by Rxy Vermont (talk) 20:39, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Currently going through main user's edits; I'll paste new IP's below as I find them. Vermont (talk) 21:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
[3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
so:User:Episilon212, currently blocked, is socking with so:User:Fortunia212. Vermont (talk) 11:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
More accounts to block: so:User:Myoshormus212, so:User:Mystic212, so:User:Pialpha232, and so:User:Apreo121. CU confirmed on enwiki here. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Potential copyright infringement at Bosnian Wikinews[edit]

Status:    In progress

I was looking at articles from n:bs:Kategorija:Novembar 2018., and I found a few (if not many) of them to be copied from sources. One article n:bs:Darko Mrđa i Zoran Babić proglašeni krivim za počinjenje krivičnog djela Zločini protiv čovječnosti is apparently copied mostly from portions of one government article. Another article n:bs:Austrija usvojila zabranu ustaških simbola is also probably copied from Al-Jazeera article written in one of Slavic languages, i.e. probably either Bosnian, Croatian or transliterated Serbian.

Unsure about articles from n:bs:Kategorija:Decembar 2018. and ones from other date categories. Nevertheless, I found n:bs:Boško Dević osuđen na kaznu zatvora u trajanju od 10 godina to be copied mostly from one source and another. --George Ho (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

All these articles were created by the same user. Have you tried to talk to them? Ruslik (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I notified the user responsible for this; re-pinging Golden Bosnian Lily. George Ho (talk) 21:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
The text is not the same! Članak (n:bs:Austrija usvojila zabranu ustaških simbola) je prepričan sa ove stranice i ne sadrži isti tekst! Isto se odnosi i na ostale napisane vijesti! --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 06:15, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I wonder whether the duplication detector agrees with you. George Ho (talk) 06:28, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
How about another detector then? George Ho (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
ok? --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
...I see that you made changes, which helps decrease the rish of copyright infringement. Meanwhile, I think this revision should be either revdel-led or hidden from public view.

As for "Darko Mrđa i Zoran Babić..." (detector 1, detector 2), I see you have done changes on one article. Revisions prior to 16 December should be revdel-led or hidden from public view. Nevertheless, the tools (detector 1 (A)(B), detector 2) can still find similarities of the "Boško Dević osuđen..." article. --George Ho (talk) 08:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I also see the changes made. I think the revisions before the change should be revdel-led. --George Ho (talk) 08:34, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I also found "n:bs:Rusija:U rijeci Amur pronađena vreća s 27 pari odsječenih ljudskih ruku", created by Arnel6-2, to be copied from the Dnevnik.hr article. I notified the user about this discussion, but the user hasn't edited since March of this year. I would doubt that the user is going to reply soon. George Ho (talk) 10:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

George Ho, slažem se sa Vama da revizije trebaju da bude skrivene od javnosti. Želim Vam ugodan dan! --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Now that the changed were made, revisions before the change should be revdel-led. George Ho (talk) 19:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey again, Lily. One of the detectors found similarities of "n:bs:Žalbeno vijeće Haškog tribunala potvrdilo kaznu za zločine Herceg-Bosne od 111 godina zatvora za Jadranka Prlića i ostale" with other sources. If you can fix the issue, then this revision should be deleted or hidden right away. George Ho (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello @George Ho I'm sorry for my mistake, I didn't knew that is forbidden. I'm mostly active on Wikipedia, that was the only page i created on Wikinews. --Arnel6-2 (talk) 11:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

That's okay, Arnel6-2. Well, I'll check other pages for copyright infringements from the project some other time. George Ho (talk) 12:33, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Request for deleting pages on srwikinews because of number of revisions[edit]

Status:    On hold

Hi, I can`t delete pages listed here because of big number of revisions. Can you delete these pages? Zoranzoki21 (talk) 21:06, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

@Zoranzoki21: Yes, we can do it. But if you could state a reason why those pages should be deleted it'd be good. Thank you, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: Because we, community on srwikinews, want to remove old weather forecast things. As I deleted already much pages related to this (see logs at srwikinews). Zoranzoki21 (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@Zoranzoki21: Okay. I'll handle this one. Will do it by hand or invoking a pywiki script (I'm not decided yet). Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 21:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Note: I am having issues as reported at phab:T212356 so this is going to be slower than expected. Sorry. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@Zoranzoki21: Could you provide a permalink to the discussion? Helps for here and for the deletion comment. Noting that there has been a fix coded and planned for release, the issue is that there will be no further code releases for about three weeks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst and MarcoAurelio: We (@Acamicamacaraca, Ранко Николић, and Novak Watchmen:) discussed about this privately. They can confirm this action. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 01:43, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Interesting. That doesn't sound like a community conversation to reach a consensus, that sounds like a few people imposing their point of view, benevolently or otherwise.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:48, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Because there we no have active community. Usually we calls users from srwiki to give comment. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 04:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Not wholly unexpected, when people have no ability to add to a discussion, or even to see the outcome of a conversation (public or private) and to know who were the decision-makers; it probably won't ever change.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, we did discuss the matter in hand. --Novak Watchmen (talk) 14:10, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Noting that this is Time2wait.svg On hold for now pending that the API change is deployed to all wmf branches before re-attempting. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Issues on Bulgarian Wikinews[edit]

Status:    In progress

See discussion at Proposals for closing projects/Deletion of Bulgarian Wikinews. I have been trying to provide time to see if this project could be resuscitated rather than closed or deleted. There are now questions about conflict of interest, neutrality and licensing that have been brought up. Neither I nor any other LangCom member speaks Bulgarian, so I could use some assistance with this. LangCom generally favors trying to keep projects open, as you well know. Still, if the content being introduced here is inappropriate, or inappropriately licensed, then we don't want that. Thanks to anyone who can help. — StevenJ81 (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Misbehaving sysop "Pablo Escobar", piracy, and permanent ban at the EO Wiktionary[edit]

Status:    Redundant

My name is Taylor and I have been active at various wikies (EN,EO,ID,SV) for 2 years. Unfortunately I have run into severe trouble on EO Wiktionary. I am currently permanently (formally 3 months) banned there for the 3rd time.

The state if the EO Wiktionary is fairly bad (example of a Wiktionary in a good state: SV). The worse thing is the excessive piracy there. The administrator Pablo is obsessed by "improving the quality" of the EO Wiktionary by mass-copying everything from everywhere (other Wiktionaries (preferably DE), Wikipedia, over 100 years old low quality dictionaries, other (non-GFDL) sources, ...). Maybe copying from DE Wiktionary is not a "real" crime, it is just desperately useless. Pablo has already copied 10'000's of pages and templates from there. For example the section about the SV word "mus" (EN: mouse) as left behind by Pablo "improving the quality" was full of explanations in DE and translations to DE. I have fixed that page. I have fixed 100's of other pages with similar problems. Another fine page recently "contributed" by Pablo (efter having banned me) Kaiser - note the red links and the script errors, as well as the dominance of DE and lack of EO. I have also fixed 100's of pages copied from some old SV<->EO dictionary, by correcting the provided translation, adding further translations, or labeling the word as "archaic". There used to be 7 templates for same thing: plural form of EN noun. One of them is copied from EN Wiktionary, others are copied from DE Wiktionary and renamed several times by Pablo. Many of them worked badly due to Pablo's lack of skills and "puristic" changes (replacing traditional grammar terminology like "pluralo" by "genuine" EO words constructed by literally translating ridiculously long compound words from DE) resulting in broken templates showing things like {{{2}}}. I created a new well-working template even suitable for "though" words like "virus" of "die". My work switching to the new template and deprecating the broken ones was violently interrupted by the ban. I have also created several (not insanely many) EO pages with definitions and examples. EO Wiktionary is far away from having satisfactory pages about even the most elementary EO words. Pablo doesn't care at all about definitions (the hardest part). Many pages about EO words "contributed" by em consist of nothing but the translation block, brainlessly copied from DE Wiktionary without changes, frequently even containing EO as destination language (the translation of the EO word "kato" into EO is "kato"). But the "best contributor" Pablo copies (frequently particularly lousily) from other (non-GFDL) sources as well. The problem got pointed some time ago by one former user (who had left EO Wiktionary). Pablo deleted the 3 pointed pages (I re-created 2 of them without piracy soon after) and ey promised to delete all other pirated pages that ey would find. Ey gave a f**k about even searching. Later I pointed 2 further pirated pages. Pablo ignored the message. There are 1000's of more of less directly pirated pages there. Some weeks later Pablo deleted those 2 pages after "some extra pressure" organized via EN Wikipedia. All other pirated pages are left. Can any steward agree with such a sysop?

There are currently 3 active "contributors" at the EO Wiktionary. Me, permanently banned and unable to edit anything except my discussion page full of unproductive bickering with Pablo and appeals than nobody reads. Then Noelekim contributing valuable edits to an EN->EO list-type dictionary. Pablo has even created a few EN pages, (lousily) copying from this dictionary. This contributor doesn't edit any other pages and doesn't participate in discussions and bickering (maybe ey just fears a ban). The last and actually pretty exclusive "contributor" is Pablo "working" hard in order to turn the former EO Wiktionary into another (piracy-powered) DE Wiktionary (bad edits by Pablo bad edits by Pablo bad edits by Pablo bad edits by Pablo bad edits by Pablo).

Pablo doesn't appreciate my contributions at all. I have been accused many times for "notoriously destroying other people's work". According to Pablo brainless mass-copying is valuable "work", while fixing such mess by me is "destroying other people's work". I was also working to create a few smarter templates allowing to replace hundreds of primitive mass-created or mass copied-in templates. This was not appreciated either, the work is not finished and I can't continue. There are frequently absurdly many (3 or even 5 or even more) templates for very same thing, just abbreviated and spelled differently ("ark", "Ark", "ark.", "Arkit", "ARK", ...). There are redundant templates copied from other Wiktionaries, spelled in DE, ES, IT and more. Pablo is continuing to "really improve the quality" of the EO Wiktionary by adding further redundant templates. I got also accused for "spreading evil neologisms to all pages via templates". I had admittedly edited many templates, but none of my edits had the effect according to the accusations. More likely Pablo is angry about the fact that I have skills for editing templates and modules while ey does not have such skills, and solved eir problem with undesirable competition by banning me. But it comes even worse. Some time ago (year 2014) Pablo emself performed a (primitive) edit on a template (EO verb declension table) with effect according to accusations: "spreading evil neologisms to all pages via templates". Ey even boasted with this edit in the news (year 2017, pretty late news) on the title page (that nobody else can edit). Apparently Pablo has the right to "spread evil neologisms to all pages via templates" while I don't have such a right, because Pablo is the emperor while I am just nothing. Note that I actually have NOT spread any neologisms to all pages via templates. The previous ban was "justified" by among Other Nonsense Complaints About Me Refusing To Use Uppercase Letters. This seems to be a "rule" imported by the DE nationalist Pablo from the DE Wiktionary. I refuse to follow DE rules (Obligation To Begin Every Word With An Uppercase Letter) at the EO Wiktionary.

I have got banned 3 times. The "justifications" given by Pablo are very long but incomprehensible even for people proficient in EO, and accusing me for including but not limited to "acting like a dictator" (Pablo emself either doesn't act like a dictator, or maybe ey does have the right to act like a dictator while I don't), "using lowercase letters" (see above), "notoriously destroying other people's work" (see above), "repeatedly submitting nonsense" (apparently Pablo's own nonsense (this is DE again, not EO) either doesn't count as nonsense, or maybe Pablo has an absolute right to submit unlimited amount of (pirated) nonsense, while I don't have a comparable right), or "spreading evil neologisms to all pages" (see above).

After having banned me the last time, Pablo published a news item about me containing not only false accusations about "spreading evil neologisms to all pages via templates", but also evil sexist insults using male words despite I am not male. I cannot answer to the post denying the shameful nonsense because I am banned.

Pablo got crowned to permanent administrator in year 2010 by just 3 YES votes from totally 3 votes. Those 3 people left the project long ago, Pablo remained and became the permanent absolute emperor at the EO Wiktionary. The last successful election to an administrator was held 2017-Jan, Castelobranco got 4 YES votes from totally 4 votes. The steward restricted Castelobranco's adminship to 1 year pointing to the low amount of votes of 4, while Pablo with 3 votes previously got permanent adminship. Castelobranco left the project 4 months later, eir adminship expired silently 2018-Jan, and Pablo alone is now the absolute emperor for all eternity.

Pablo gives notoriously a f**k about community consensus. About 1/2 year ago I initiated 2 ballots:

  • "Should DE play a privileged role here at the EO Wiktionary?" -> 4 NO-votes from totally 4 votes
  • "Should non-EO words have a translation block?" -> 4 NO-votes from totally 4 votes

Great! But Pablo gives a f**k about it and continues copying complete pages from DE Wiktionary, together with all "needed" templates with DE names. This method apparently "saves work" for Pablo. The SV Wiktionary does not have a single DE template, and non-SV words don't have any translation block (and not images either). Pablo's aggressive DE nationalism is taking over the EO Wiktionary and nobody (except me) dares to protest.

I have repeatedly suggested for Pablo to go back to the DE Wiktionary where ey apparently came from. No result.

There are further problems with Pablo's conduct. In the recycle bin there are almost 1'000 candidates for deletion accumulated during many years. Pablo gives a f**k about deleting them. Ey doesn't archive the discussion page (90% of content is globally distributed spam in EN) either.

On the title page of the EO Wiktionary (that nobody except Pablo can edit) we can read that the EO Wiktionary is supposed to become "the greatest and most complete" dictionary ever. Just now this "greatest and most complete" project ever has the most incapable and arrogant administrator ever, filling the dictionary by (lousily) pirating from over 100 years old low quality dictionaries and other dubious sources (DE Wiktionary), and banning everybody attempting to contribute in a different manner. Pablo has repeatedly boasted with things like "I have been tolerating your" ... (followed by absurd accusations) ... "but now my patience is exhausted". Pablo behaves like the exclusive owner of the EO Wiktionary and a dictator.

There is no reason at all why Pablo should be an administrator. Neither the election 8 years ago (electors went away long ago, and on many wikies all admins have to be reconfirmed evey year), nor merits (the amount of edits is tremendous, but it's >= 99% piracy, Pablo is a manually operating pirating bot), nor the skills (Pablo can barely code templates, and not at all code modules), and last but not least nor the conduct.

On the EO Wiktionary there is a page Administrantoj with section Misuzo_de_la_administrantaj_rajtoj (abuse of the admin rights) saying:

Al administranto povas esti liaj rajto deprenita, se tiu la rajtoj misuzas. Nuntempe povas la admnistrant-statuso esti deprenita aŭ per decido de Jimbo Wales, aŭ pere de decido de Arbitracia komisiono. Laŭ ilia decido oni povas doni malpli altajn punojn, ekz. limigo de uzado de iuj funkcioj. Teĥnike povas la administrantajn rajtoj depreni stevardoj.
An administrator can be deprived of eir rights if ey abuses those rights. Currently the admin-status can be canceled by either Jimbo Wales or the Arbitration Committee. According to their decisions lower punishments can be ruled, for example restricting the usage of some functions. Technically the stewards are responsible for removing administrator rights.

The "Arbitration Committee" is a red link. There doesn't seem to exist any Arbitration Committee on the EO Wiktionary, and the promised "Global Arbitration Committee" doesn't exist yet and probably never will. I tried to appeal via my user page but the template {{unblock}} doesn't work there (it used to be a red link, later some IP-user created it with content "M"), Pablo gives a f**k about my appeals and no other admin exists. Then I appealed to the Arbitration Committee on the EN Wikipedia. The result was a rejection by only 8 NO-votes from 8 total votes sending me to "Requests for comment". Nobody seems to read that page, the only one comment posted there sends me to King Jimbo. During a pause between 2 bans I seized the occasion and posted a proposal to desysop Pablo. Not a single comment or vote came it. I tried to contact King Jimbo. Result: no answer User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_232 [ATJ_Misbehaving_sysop_%22Pablo_Escobar%22,_piracy,_and_permanent_ban_at_the_EO_Wiktionary User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_233].

It is extremely easy to create a new account and continue editing from it, or just edit as an IP-address. Unfortunately I would prefer to leave Pablo alone with bad behaviour and avoid coming near to sockpuppetry. Nor I am willing to wait until 2019-Feb-13 when the ban is expected to expire, allowing me to perform a few edits before I get banned again, maybe for 2 years, maybe genuinely permanently.

The EO Wiktionary has been hijacked by a severely misbehaving administrator. There is no local community able to deal with this. The "unblock" template is deliberately defective. The 2 instances suggested at the local sysop page are both deliberately defective (red link to Arbitration Committee, and King Jimbo who gives a f**k about answering). There is no exclusive private right for Pablo to own a public wiki. Neither by the Grace of God, not by the grace of an incapable bureaucrat who left Wikipedia 6 years ago. Please desysop Pablo. Thank you. Taylor 49 (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Taylor 49, may you copy or move the whole above content to Requests for comment/Administrator abuse on the EO Wiktionary please? If you decide to move, i.e. cut-and-paste, the whole content, you can remove this comment if you wish. Thanks. George Ho (talk) 20:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Closed Closed This is a request forum, not a discussion page. Please see the role of stewards as they have no ability to override local administrators or local consensus in the normal sense of operations. Closing as redundant as there is no specific action to be undertaken; with the means to be discuss being through an RFC.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I see that George Ho already has copied the text to the RFC page. Unfortunately nobody bothers to deal with the complaints there. So far I have gathered 2 answers, one of them useless and one silly.
@Billinghurst: You are missing the point and you apparently have not read the text before closing. There is no "local consensus" there. Oddly people did care about the case Global ban for Til Eulenspiegel with bad behaviour at AM wikipedia and the (more important) EN wikipedia and desysoped the offender. Should this mean that as long as Pablo behaves badly only on eir own private EO wiktionary the stewards will continue to give a f**k about the issue? You did not even bother to answer at the RFC page about Pablo. What a shameful attitude. Instead of linking to "role of stewards" again, you could reveal how abuse of sysop rigths can be dealt with on wikies lacking a community. Or do you agree that Pablo should have a right to own a public wiki? Taylor 49 (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Taylor 49: You are missing the point, please reread Stewards and tell us how that role, with their delegated powers, which was set up by the community enables their action, especially based on your post. The stewards are agents of the communities with designated roles, they are not omnipotent. If you have a concern that the Wikimedia community lacks a process and powers, then take it through an RFC or address it to the Board. Please don't dump it here and expect others to take up your baton and run with it. This is not the place for your complaint.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Thanks for the answer. Stewards do have the power and the right to desysop people if there is no local community. Please clarify what "Board" you mean. And I really would prefer to dump this at the right place. Please point me to such. RFC does not seem to work. And you avoided again the crucial question whether it is considered as great that a single ill-behaving person can totally control a formerly public wiki. Taylor 49 (talk) 11:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Taylor 49:Board  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: This is a new idea. I will try the board now. Taylor 49 (talk) 11:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

OAuth approval request for RAMP2[edit]

Status:    In progress

Requesting approval of new OAuth consumer per instructions. --JoeRailfan (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@JoeRailfan: The project is set to this wiki (instead of all wikis). RAMP says its goal is to "publish the content of those records as Wikipedia pages" so I assume that's not what you wanted? --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 17:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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