Requests for comment/Move the WMF and Servers to Iceland

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The following request for comments is closed. No consensus for moving the servers. – Ajraddatz (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


Move the WMF and Servers to Iceland[edit]

The people of Iceland have worked out a new crowd-sourced constitution over the last years. In the moment Iceland is in the process of building a new government. It depends on the new government, if the new constitution will be adopted.

Wikipedia's success depends on some principles, that are favored by this new constitution.

If the WMF and the servers of Wikipedia are moved to Iceland now, this would make the adoption of the constitution more probable. The adoption of the constitution would strengthen Wikipedia.

Iceland has a good IT infrastructure, friendly climate, green energy, and an English-speaking community.

--𝔊 (Gradzeichen DiſkTalk) 13:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

I like this idea. Another plus is that there is less risk of major earthquakes in Reykjavík compared to San Francisco. --Gereon K. (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

While this is a nice initiative, it's not like currently all servers are in San Francisco. There are just a few caching servers there. The main data centers are in Virginia and Texas, then there are smaller caching-only places in San Francisco (caching for USA West and also East Asia) and Amsterdamn (caching for Europe, Middle East,..). I don't know if it makes sense for response times for Europe West / USA East to add more caching in Iceland but you can see this isn't a question of moving everything into one place. Things are already distributed and if anything it's about adding more of the small caching centers. Maybe it's a nice place to keep an offsite mirror of the dumps? Mutante (talk) 21:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Will such a move be more copyright-friendly?--Jusjih (talk) 02:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose But not because of law related issues, my consern is about physical safety, I have a girl friend (19 years old) in my school that visited Iceland last week, and however, when she comes back, she has had a very strong cold (her thermometer told me: 39.6 °C), so unless if the proposer can specify a drug store where we can buy Paracetamol, Amoxicillin, Dexamethasone... easier, I'd love to say, it's better to use Greenland instead of Iceland as new position of WMF. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:59, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to address these health concerns.
Reykjavík is a 130 000 inhabitants civilized city in a civilized country, with drug store, doctors, hospital, etc.
So you want an address, okay, how about
About the statement.
This statement seems to be more a tourist-related issue, like not knowing pharmaceuticals stores in Europe are closed the Sunday, with a system of duty pharmacy. For reference It works like this: you go to to any closed pharmacy and on the door you have the address and phone number of the duty pharmacy. This one is open the Sunday (and also at nights, the goal is to have on duty H24 officines). You can't buy pharmaceuticals on a supermarket, you need to go to university and have a degree in pharmaceuticals before open an officine and sell drugs. Welcome to Europe.
Iceland is the healthiest country according the WEF.
The idea health could be an issue for Iceland is bizarre when we compare with WEF figures.
According https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/09/there-s-a-new-ranking-of-the-healthiest-countries-how-is-yours-doing/ Health and Wellness score is 0.24 in US, 0.9 in Iceland. To compare, Germany is 0.88, France 0.74, UK 0.68.
Iceland is the country with the highest score.
About Amoxicillin.
This is an antibiotic. Why do you want it to be easy to buy? Antibiotic are only sold with doctor prescriptions, and not for colds, if there is no risk of bacterial contamination.
Even if US, antibiotics are discouraged for colds: https://www.cdc.gov/getsmart/community/for-patients/common-illnesses/colds.html
Now, could be become serious again?
Seriously, the decision to choose a country should be taken on a broad analysis of costs/benefits, with of course health system taken in consideration, but to discuss such serious matter on the experience of a tourist is puzzling.
--Dereckson (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I admit I'm a bit lost at this RfC, but the comment opposing moving the servers to Iceland because people might get colds is indeed a bit bizarre for me. —MarcoAurelio 13:05, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Question Question: Is this proposal comming from something already discussed elsewhere? Is the Foundation considering a new location for their servers? If I'm not mistaken they somewhat recently got some more infraestructure in Fort Worth, Texas. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 13:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose and suggest speedy close as a nonsensical proposal. --Rschen7754 04:40, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose what is that RfC ?! - 46.193.173.167 20:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
A "Request for comment". And what is your argument for opposing? --Gereon K. (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
It will be expensive, remote from everywhere, too cold for many many WMF employees and finally we already have a data center in Europe - 46.193.173.167 06:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
But WMF is located in the USA so our data is not safe from the CIA and FBI (IP of users and readers, which articles we read, there's probably forbidden articles because of the national security...) so why not moving it in a safe country of the Schengen Area. 46.193.173.167 06:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Self-asking-and-answering? So your consideration is Switzerland, an European permanent neutralized state? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Data isn't really secure from Government scrutinity anymore in Switzerland, I've heard. --Gereon K. (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose moving all US-based servers, but we could have a backup datacenter in Iceland for the Nordic wikis. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)