Requests for new languages/Wikinews Old English

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikinews Old English
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

LPP specifically excludes projects in historical languages other than Wikisource projects. LangCom had no interest in making an exception for this. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code ang (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Old English Language name in English
Language name Ænglisc Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q42365 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Old English
  • native label (P1705) = Ænglisc sprǣc
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = natural language, dead language, historical language / Anglic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = ang
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script, futhorc
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 0


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wikinews" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikinews talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal[edit]

Hi there all. I am a retired user from the Old English Wikipedia, and I would like to propose the addition of a Old English Wikinews. There have been many complaints that Old English is not a real language, and while that might be the case, there has already been the allowance for the creation of the Old English Wikipedia, Old English Wiktionary, and a Old English Wikiquote. All three of these projects have been extremely successful, although none have been more successful than the Old English Wikipedia. If you would allow for the creation of the Old English Wikinews, you will allow for the collection of Old English wikis to grow and flourish, and that is exactly what I would like to see happen for the communities of the Old English projects. --2409:8902:9021:3DF1:7CD3:B88F:8018:75C1 05:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

A Wikinews is way more likely to be closed after opening than any other type of project, and even major languages have trouble keeping them up to date. There's virtually no hope that this would be successful in any way.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

And the Old English Wikiquote has been closed due to inactivity and the Old English Wikipedia has about 3,000 articles, making it the 210th largest Wikipedia. That's not terribly successful.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:15, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Nope, just veto this, non of those ancient and/or historical languages are suitable for having news, and even Wikinews, @StevenJ81: I propose that we write this restriction to our LPP and adopt some AbuseFilters to technically hold up any future Wikinews requests about those cases. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:06, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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