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Buryat Wikipedia[edit]

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Buryat)
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

The requested project was created at bxr: at an indeterminate date. Note that this request was approved before the implementation of the standardised Language proposal policy, and should not be used as a model for future requests. Shanel 21:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Proposal summary
  • Language details: Buryat (Буряад хэлэн, bxr ISO 639-3)
  • Editing community: Calmouk (P), Dodge (N), Tsebeen (N), dGalsan (N)
    List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your
    name if you are a native speaker of this language.
  • Relevant pages: Test project
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Language code= ISO 639-2: bua (Buriat macrolanguage[2]), ISO 639-3: bxr ("Buriat, Russia" in Ethnologue.com) Proposed domain= bxr.wikipedia.org bua.wikipedia.org Wikipedia article= en:Buryat language, ru:Бурятский язык, de:Burjatische Sprache Number of speakers= about 450,000 in Russia (about 30,000 in China, about 80,000 in Mongolia, but Russian Buryat literary dialect differs considerably from those spoken in Mongolia and China) Locations spoken= bxr: Russia (official language in Republic of Buryatia), bxu: China, bxm: Mongolia Related languages= Altaic family of languages

Test Page is here: [3] (uses the generic macrolanguage code for Buriat, however it is only the cyrillic version for Russia and Mongolia, but may be ideographs used for Buriat of China may be added there. (same language spoken dialects with important differences, but written form is really different).

  • Support Calmouk 13:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support -I think it's a great idea to have the Buryat Wikipedia. I hope it will attract as many people as it can and it will develop into a good source of our language in Internet. I was really sorry to learn that so little has been published about Buryats in Wikipedia. Perhaps it's our fault. --Curious 05:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! --Astrid 15 January 2006
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! --Tohuchar 15 January 2006
  • Support --Taichi - (あ!) 00:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, but I would prefer bua.wikipedia.org as domain, using the ISO/DIL code. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 07:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC) Oppose, because the initial proposal was changed: persons who have voted did not made it for this new proposal. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 14:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! --Gyuck 15 January 2006 Gyuck 07:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • Support Ubique 11:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Gdarin | talk 12:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! Dodge 16:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • 10 supporters mark Calmouk
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! Dorzhi 17:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! AntiBritnieSpirs 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Zordsdavini 07:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia! Batrun
  • Support. But why bua.wikipedia.org? Why not bu.wikipedia.org? Voevoda
    • ISO/DIL code for Buryat language is bua. But not bu. All domain names in Wiki have to follow ISO/DIL language codes. Personally, I prefer bur or bu to bua. Calmouk 03:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Of course, I support creation of Buryat Wikipedia Kneiphof 12:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Dinsdagskind 12:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Belgian man (nl na en) 13:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Why did you change the initial request (Buryat language, bua) to Russian Buryat (bxr)? All the persons who voted before you have voted for "Bruryat language". I change my vote to Oppose. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 14:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
(answered on talk page Hégésippe) Belgian man (nl na en) 16:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Code of Buryat language is bua http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=MNB Please rollback changes
No I won't rollback these changes, because the link you gave is a page in Ethnologue 14. This information is ancient; click on "corresponding entry" please. Belgian man (nl na en) 16:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia. --Kaganer 13:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Sidorsky 11:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of the Buryat Wikipedia. -- ````N
  • Support Arbeo 11:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support I vote for Buryat language (bur). I strongly disapprove the name (Russian) Buryat\bxr. This was never used and sounds strange. Please let us ourselves decide how to call our mother tongue. We're planning to contact ISO as soon as possible to negotiate the possibility of changing the language code for buryat to bur instead of bua in ISO 639-3 standard, which is now being developped. Sorry, if I've offended someone Tsebeen 17:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia. Chingis 03:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia
  • Support Mit 14:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the creation of Buryat Wikipedia. RadiuS 14:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC) (N)
  • Support Buryat is one of the strongest languages of Russia. It will surely be interesting to develop a Wikipedia in it. I'll try to help as I can. - Slavik IVANOV 00:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support D_T_G 19:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Supportnl:Boudewijn Idema, 13:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • SupportI have buryat friends in the Altai area, and really sympatize with fellow mountaineers. You are great people, make a great wiki bertodsera, 01:28, 23 March 2006 (GMT+2)
  • Support But the available ISO codes are bua and bxr, not bur, which is one of the codes for Burmese. I very much doubt the ISO registration authorities will change this, since the code is already in use. --Chamdarae 18:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
ISO authorities are currently uncertain about burmese, and incline to using mya as code for burmese. Tsebeen 08:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC) (N)
The truth is that the language is still named "Burmese" as it was before the military Myanmarese dictature. But Myanmar is the name used by the government who currently seats and decides at ISO, and it insisted for the change of name not only for the country, but also for the language and script (something that all burmese people living abroad or that fled from the country reject. "Burmese" is the name used since long, and past versions of ISO 639, ISO 3166 used "bu" and "bur" to refer to the language or country. "bur" remains assigned, even though ISO now recommends "mm" and "mya" (and Unicode uses "Myan" for the new script code). I'm quite sure that when democracy will come back in Myanmar, they will restore the historic names "Burma" for the country, "Burmese" for the language and culture, with strong support from the now large Burmese community living abroad.
  • Test page has been created here: [4] Calmouk 04:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't mix Buriat (the language or macrolanguage and its three national dialects) with Buryat (people living in the Buryat republic of Russia). 86.221.88.235 23:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support --Node ue 08:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC).

Conclusion[edit]

The idea of a Wikipedia written in Buryat is widely supported and there are native speakers willing to contribute. In theory, this request could be declared "approved" now. However, the code issue is still pending. According to ISO 639-3 (cf. [5]) there are two options:

  • bua (as suggested) would cover the whole Buryat "macro-language" (Russian, Chinese and Mongolian variants).
  • bxr would refer exclusively to the variant of Buryat used in Russia (this seems to be what we`re talking about here).

In other words: if the proposed wiki only covers the Buryat spoken in Russia 'bxr' would actually be the more appropriate choice. On the other hand, if there is a sufficient degree of mutual intelligibility between the three variants, we'll probably be better off with a "general Buryat" Wikipedia, i. e. code 'bua'. Maybe we can sort this out in the next few days and then move this request to "Approved". Thank you! - Arbeo 15:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, we are talking here about a "general Buryat" Wikipedia and Buryat "macro-language". Anyway, Buryat people in Mongolia and China do not have their own written language. No Buryat newspapers, literature or any other written sources exist in Mongolia or China. Correct me if I am wrong. Calmouk 23:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You're wrong -- Buriat is a written language in China, using Mongolian vertical alphabet. They won't understand a Wikipedia in Cyrillic at all. --Node ue 00:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Buryat is not a written language in China. Mongolian is a written language in China. There is no Buryat nationality among officially recognized nationalities in China. Calmouk 04:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, the bottom line seems to be 'bxr' is less problematic than 'bua'. So I'd suggest to make it bxr.wikipedia.org --Arbeo 10:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. --ajvol 07:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I still suggest to create bua.wikipedia.org Calmouk 04:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
For the moment as far as the choice between bua or bxr is concerned the former is far more appropriate than the latter. First of all the buryat language in Mongolia and China is for the most part nothing else than one of its dialects, namely Khori. There are also some other dialects of Buryat in these countries, but the number of speakers is considerably less than Khori. Differences between what you call bxr, bxu, and bxm are so insignificant, that apparently Buryat doesn't need to have three codes instead of one. So for the moment I suggest using bua for Buryat as it is one common language understood by every Buryat regardless of where he lives: Russian Federation, Mongolia, or China. And I have to say once more that the proper self appellation of Buryats is Buryat-Mongols. The Buryat Republic untill 1953 was called the Buryat-Mongol Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, and its name was illegally and forcibly turned into mere Buryat Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, there wasn't any kind of referendum at the time. So with regard of this fact the proper ISO name should be bmn. Though personally I have no objection to bur. Tsebeen 12:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)