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Chamyuet Wikipedia[edit]

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This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Please, come back with ISO 639-3 code. --Millosh (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Language code  (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Chamyuet Language name in English
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  • Related languages: standard modern (i.e. "literary") Cantonese
  • Number of speakers: approximately millions across the world, especially among the chinese-illiterate
  • Locations spoken: Mostly South-east Asia, also Australasia, Europe and the Americas

Case For 參粵 "Chamyuet" (pronounced "tchum-yüt") or "Patois Cantonese" Wikipedia:

參粵 meaning "mixed-cantonese" or Patois Cantonese is the true native cantonese language spoken by millions of cantonese-speakers in South-East Asia, Autralasia, Europe, and the Americas. It consists of cantonese mixed with english or other "pidgin" words that are directly imported in the speech without any attempt to formally transliterate the sounds into chinese han characters.

Its Writing:

Its natural script is standard chinese characters, with cantonese characters and bopomofo characters to render the "pidgin" words. Prior to the effects of 20th century language reforms, it probably existed in a rudimentary form for centuries. Since the 1960's it has suffered suppression in the wake of formal chinese-only, english-only or other "nationalised" education systems. Cantonese characters such as 嚟(lai4-"come"), 咁(gam3-"so"), 嘞(lak3-"indeed") in the chinese education systems have always suffered suppression. Bopomofo characters became forgotten in many parts of South-east Asia - these being disparagingly known as 愧字(kwaiji) or "naughty characters". As a result the language continued to be spoken, but alternative writing systems have since developed in a rudimentary form:

Alternative Writing Systems:

  1. Chinese characters + imported words in Latin script: this is the most common form, used by the chinese-educated. This is unsatisfactory because latin script is not a formal part of chinese, and therefore this merely becomes corruption of chinese.
  2. Cantonese words in latin alphabet + imported words in Latin script: this is another common form, used by the english/other-educated. This is unsatisfactory because this becomes another form of pidgin english/other, and in so doing is looked upon as a corruption of english/other.

Grammar and Vocabulary:

  • Among the chinese-educated speakers, due to the recent modernization (hence "mandarinification") of Cantonese, many of its vocabulary, grammar and phraseology have been lost as literate chinese speakers assimilate to the norms of standard chinese and modern cantonese literature and media.
  • Among the english/other-educated speakers, the older 廣府(gwongfu) form of Cantonese is preserved in a language that is not as literary as modern cantonese.

Intelligibility with Modern Cantonese:

It is probably 70% intelligible to non-english/other-speaking chinese-literate cantonese speaker, and 80% intelligible to an english/other-speaking cantonese speaker. To a non-chinese-literate non-english-speaking modern cantonese speaker, it is probably about 60% intelligible. Modern cantonese is probably 60% intelligible to a non-chinese-literate patois cantonese "chamyuet" speaker.

It is hoped that in applying for this Wikipedia, awareness and recognition will be gained for this language so that its spoken forms may be preserved in its own natural written form, and in so-doing, help to reduce native-language illiteracy and its effects.