Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Dalmatian 3
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| What | Value | Example / Explanation |
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| Proposal | ||
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| Language code | dlm (SIL, Glottolog) | A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ... |
| Language name | Dalmatian | Language name in English |
| Language name | Dalmata | Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ... |
| Language Wikidata item | Q35527 - item has currently the following values:
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Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed. |
| Directionality | LTR | Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)? |
| Site URL | dlm.wikipedia.org | langcode.wikiproject.org |
| Settings | ||
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| Project name | Vicipedia | "Wikipedia" in your language |
| Project namespace | usually the same as the project name | |
| Project talk namespace | "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace) | |
| Enable uploads | no | Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons. If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons. |
| Optional settings | ||
| Project logo | This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation). | |
| Default project timezone | Continent/City | "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones) |
| Additional namespaces | For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk". | |
| Additional settings | Anything else that should be set | |
Proposal
[edit]Dalmatian Language is language spoken in Dalmatia region of Croatia. It declined in 19th century, and was considered dead by 1898.but due to efforts of local people and linguists, starting from 1886.book "l'antico dialetto di veglia" it survived and after return of democracy in Croatia revival started mostly by members of Dalmatian Action party in beggining but later larger public take interest in revival especialy when learning materials become available online. Today Dalmatian speaking community have from 50 to 500 members both in Croatia and abroad and it is growing. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vigurichteodoro (talk) 21 June 2025, 09:26 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]@Vigurichteodoro: This was rejected for twice, with rationales "Extinct Romance language, not a Slavic one. More details may be found at w:Dalmatian language." and "An extinct language. If native speakers appear, please make another proposal." Do you have ideas that situation has changed for Dalmatian? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Vigurichteodoro, two questions:
- Do you know this language yourself?
- Are there external reliable sources that say that there is a Dalmatian speaking community that has from 50 to 500 members?
- Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- 1.yes 2.this is estimate there are 2 or 3 groups on facebook every with few hundreds people of whose some show medium to advanced level if knowledge + there are other traces online like forum posts in dalmatian and discord servers. Also in real life there is minor Dalmatian Action party mostly active in city of Split in Croatia which is known as supportive for dalmatian revival and some of its members speak language, also its late founder Srećko Lorger is known as initiator of dalmatian language revival in early days. Vigurichteodoro (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 50-500 people trying to revive a dead language does not a project make. Dronebogus (talk) 11:42, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
The proposal in the present form contains multiple inaccuracies. The only dialect of Romance Dalmatian that survived until the 19th century was Vegliote, spoken on the island of Krk in the Kvarner bay, not in the more southerly region that is currently known as Dalmatia. The Dalmatian Action Party indeed is a minor regionalist party based mostly in Split in Dalmatia, but they as any other natives of Split speak rather the local South Slavic Cakavian dialect or Standard Croatian. In facto, it is the Cakavian vernacular that is conidered emblematic for the Split region, not the Romance Dalmatian language that has died out in that region already in the middle ages. (Note, by the way, that Cakavian may on some occasions also be called "Dalmatian", but of course is not the same as Romance Dalmatian.) If there is really a group of people trying to revive Romance Dalmatian, a serious independent source should be provided for that fact (i.e., not simply a social network site of someone pretending to do that). Furthermore, information should be provided as to what variety of Dalmatian should be used, as Dalmatian never possessed any written standard, but consisted of a series of mostly oral city dialects. Of these, only 19th century Vegliote and the medieval Zadar dialect (in a form rather mixed with Venetian) are documented in written form to a degree that would make it possible to write a simple text in them that might pretend to be at least approximately accurate and not simply a mix of hypothetical forms and inventions. However, also in these cases, the amount of material can hardly be compared to languages like Cornish or Manx, were revival on the basis of written material is indeed possible. In fact, I would doubt that the user proposing Dalmatian wikipedia is able to write any longer text in Dalmatian without just inventing his private variety. (The Dalmatian incubator that did exist on a former occasion in fact contained articles in several neighboring Romance languages like Friulan and Romanian, but none in Dalmatian itself - it was just a hoax.)--~2025-65084-5 (talk) 13:00, 18 September 2025 (UTC)