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Kirmanjki (Northern Zazaki) Wikipedia

main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Kirmanjki
submitted verification final decision
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The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval, will verify the test project content with a reliable neutral source, such as a professor or expert and notify the Board of Trustees for a possible veto.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code kiu (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Kirmanjki Language name in English
Language name Kirmanjki Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q6023868 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Kirmanjki
  • native label (P1705) = Shar Ma
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, modern language, dialect / Zazaki
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = kiu
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community Mirzali (NP), Asmen (N), Belekvor (N)
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Dımılki, Zazaki Language Institute, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal

  • Number of speakers: Estimated somewhere between 2 - 4 million.
  • Locations spoken: Mostly in eastern Turkey, Germany, and Sweden
  • Related languages:en:Iranian languages
  • Related pages: diq.wikipedia
Selcan, Zülfü. (1998) "Grammatik der Zaza-Sprache" Wissenschaft und Technik Verlag Berlin, ISBN 3-928943-96-0.
Paul, Ludwig. (1998) Zazaki "Grammatik und Versuch einer Dialektologie" Dr. Ludwig Reichert Verlag Wiesbaden, ISBN 3-89500-098-1.
Paul, Ludwig. (1998) "The Position of Zazaki Among West Iranian languages" University of Hamburg,[6].
Lynn Todd, Terry. (1985) "A Grammar of Dimili" University of Michigan,[7].
Gippert, Jost. (1996) "Historical Development of Zazaki" Frankfurt University,[8].
Gajewski, Jon. (2003) "Evidentiality in Zazaki" Massachusetts Institute of Technology,[9].
Gajewski, Jon. (2004) "Zazaki Notes" Massachusetts Institute of Technology,[10].
Larson, Richard. and Yamakido, Hiroko. (2006) "Zazaki as Double Case-Marking" Stony Brook University and University of Arizona,[11].

Discussion

Arguments in favour

Its sub-dialects are:

  • West-Dersim
  • East-Dersim
  • Varto
  • Border dialects like Sarız, Koçgiri (Giniyan-idiom)

--Mirzali 07:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Ido ginic 14:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Xewn 20:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is important for the development of this dialect. --Asmên, 20 September 2008, 16:29 (CET)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Atuek 18:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language:-Canbaba 20:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support: Native speakers of Kirmanjki are willing to contribute to this project in the long-term, hence this project has the potential to flourish like the other Indo-Iranian language Wikipedia editions such as Kurdish, Gilaki etc. Therefore the Kirmanjki language ought to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia. --Jose77 08:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The opening of this Wikipedia for Kirmanjki (Northern Zazaki) is very important to protect the northern dialect of the Zazaki language. --Belekvor 23:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Ykaya983 08:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Arzu 16:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support :The openning of this Wikipedia for Standard Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language Eupherat 17:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - I wholeheartedly support the openning of a Kirmanjki Wikipedia. The Kirmanjki (Northern Zazaki) is a rich and beautiful language. It would be very nice if this project would be granted in the near future. --Kagan 03:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support : I wholeheardedly support the openning of Kirmanjki (Northern Zazaki) Wikipedia. --Emrealp 17:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support I would keep watching it and comparing it to the current zazaish wikipedia, This would be really nice for me. --Ali 17:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Support :The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language --Babo Ali Zülfo 15:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support : The openning of this Wikipedia for Northern Zazaki is very important for scientific reasons and for the development of this language. --Naraz 09:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Support : I wholeheardedly support the openning of Kirmanjki (Northern Zazaki) Wikipedia. --Asya 18:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Support : per above--Biŋhai 13:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Support per above--Andrijko Z. 19:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Per above --Munzur 12:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Support --N KOziTalk 11:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support --Tadiranscopus (talk) 08:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Support I strongly support this projectlrc lori (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Kirmanjki WP is the necessary addition to Dımli WP --Murma174 (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Arguments against

General discussion

  • According to Ethnologue the name of the language is Kirmanjki.. Not Northern Zazaki. I do urge you to rename the request. GerardM 07:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
    • The name of the language and its description is now considered to be Kirmanjki.. GerardM 22:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure whether it's written in the correct language/dialect, per controversy about Requests for comments/Zazaki wikipedia. [btw, this is just an informative notice, not an opinion or so]. SPQRobin (inc!) 18:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Dear SPQRobin, I assure you it is written in the correct language/dialect, and no in other standard form of Zazaki, not in the variant of Zaza Language Institut(The request of this group is already rejected by language subcommittee) nor in the variant of Vate (The Vate group has made no request so far). --Mirzali 10:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Localisation update

  • Currently 0.00% of the most used MediaWiki messages have been localised. Localisation of these messages is a requirement before your request is finally assessed. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 12:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

References