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  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
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  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
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What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code oak (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Noakhalian Language name in English
Language name নোয়াখাইল্লা, নোয়াখাইল্ল্যা Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q107548681 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL oak.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name ওয়িকিফিডিয়া "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
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Proposal

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I am requesting this new language as it a popular language in Bangladesh. Specially in Noakhali.--Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 04:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Md Mobashir Hossain In your request table, you entered "yes" for the Enable uploads setting, can you please explain why on setting so? And did you try to discuss this thing with other contributors, or even tried to establish such an EDP policy within the test project? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:04, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SIL says it's different. w:Bengali–Assamese languages lists it as co-equal with a number of other languages that have Wikipedias. The list on the language page above looks like the difference between Noakhalian and Bengali is like the difference between Spanish and Portuguese.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noakhalian is not same to Bengali. Example: Noakhalian: Anne (means you (with respect)) and Bengali: Apni (same) Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The differences between Geordie, Glaswegian, and Scouse dialects with Standard English look almost like the differences between Hindi and Punjabi. So will you should say them Language not dialect. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am a native Bengali speaker and can understand Noakhalian, Chittagonian, and Sylheti. While Noakhalian does have phonological, lexical, and syntactic features that differ from Standard Bengali, these distinctions are largely due to shared roots and geographic proximity with languages like Chittagonian, Sylheti, and Rohingya. These three are recognized as distinct languages with their own linguistic identities, but Noakhalian appears more as a regional variation within this eastern Bengali cluster rather than a standalone language. It is typically classified as one of the "eastern dialects" of Bengali. Like many other regional dialects in Bangladesh—such as Barishali or Rangpuri—Noakhalian is primarily an oral language. It lacks a standardized writing system, has no established body of literature, and remains largely undocumented in formal grammar or educational use. Although it has recently been assigned an ISO 639-3 code, I don't think we are ready to incubate a separate Wikipedia edition yet. ~ Yahya (talk • contribs) 13:22, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Yahya Agree at some. But it is not a regional language. It is completely diffirent from Bengali. Is'nt it? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain It'd not completely diffrent from Bengali rather it uses the same writing system as Bengali but there can be seen an oral differance between Bengali and Noakhalian R1F4T (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @R1F4T More than 20+ Language is written in latin letter. Is all of them is same? Ok, so why Assamese has a diffirent wikipedia? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain I didn't meant script I meant about the wriing system. R1F4T (talk) 17:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @R1F4T What is mean wriing system? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 06:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain clearly typo, he means "writing system". Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok! I am writing. Wait a bite! Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 07:49, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain I am a native Noakhailla speaker myself. And, as I see, Noakhailla is just a dialect of Bangla, not very different from Bangla. For example, if you say, "Anne ar loge jaiben ni?", a normal Bangla speaker would understand it pretty easily. And Noakhailla has no standardised writing system (using either Bangla alphabet or its own alphabet unlike Sylheti Nagri). If dialects are to be considered, Chittagonian dialect can be considered a different language which I myself lack the ability to properly understand (I have a lot of relatives from Chattogram). From some second-hand experience, it would be very hard to find people who can write in Noakhailla (even using Bangla alphabet) and it would be very very very difficult to find volunteers with the expertise or enthusiasm. So I strongly disagree with the proposal. Nokib Sarkar (talk) 07:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Anne ar loge jaiben ni? is a normal phase Nokib. If you think like a word Kokia which means pepe in bengali. Can every Bengali understood it? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:41, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Nokib Sarkar, if a speaker of this even doesn't believe it as a distinct language, then it's very likely it really isn't a single language, there are already some cases where certain dialects and/or orthographies got ISO codes, e.g. Montenegrin, just got it doesn't mean to be a distinct language. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:21, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I disagree strongly. Yiddish, for example, was a language frequently downplayed as Jargon by its speakers. Speakers of low-prestige lects frequently treat their variety as a dialect or less of the dominant language, even when they show as much or more distinction as Portuguese and Spanish.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:25, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Liuxinyu970226 Ok. Think, I am an Assamese one, think that I am talking that Assamese most of the time it is like Bengali. So, I am desagree with this. Thanks. I hope you will understood. Sylheti is a language as like Noakhalian Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:38, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      According to linguists Gearson, Sahidullah and many more- Shylheti, Nowakhailla, Chittagainga, Borishailla, Cumillan, Maymanshinghi- those are dialects and not a Language. Gearson categorised them as the Eastern Bengali Dialects. Those contain same types of differences as the Londoni dialects and Liverpool dialects have. Both are English but there tone are difference. Some words are different, if for some word and some tonal differences a dialect can be a language than there will be no dialect system.
      A language can be a language if it got its own history, an ethnicity that talk in it, its linguistic its diversity and many more. Tone and some change in words or degenerated words can’t make a dialect to a language. Nowakhailla is a dialect of eastern Bengali people and its whole history is with bengal and Bengali people. Only a fool can say it a language. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 05:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose According to linguists Gearson, Sahidullah and many more- Shylheti, Nowakhailla, Chittagainga, Borishailla, Cumillan, Maymanshinghi- those are dialects and not a Language. Gearson categorised them as the Eastern Bengali Dialects. Those contain same types of differences as the Londoni dialects and Liverpool dialects have. Both are English but there tone are difference. Some words are different, if for some word and some tonal differences a dialect can be a language than there will be no dialect system. A language can be a language if it got its own history, an ethnicity that talk in it, its linguistic its diversity and many more. Tone and some change in words or degenerated words can’t make a dialect to a language. Nowakhailla is a dialect of eastern Bengali people and its whole history is with bengal and Bengali people. Only a fool can say it a language. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 05:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fardin Fateh Ali Why there have a site of Sylheti Wikipedia ?? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Having a site in wiki doesn’t mean that have to be right. We are trying to make wiki more right and beyond human emotion. They proposed to wiki and spends money to have that, though there own people don't recognise it or consider it as separate. During my research I found that, some Sylheti Bengali living in England are beyond this, they are some anti Bangladesh political power and some are born there and don’t meet with the native . So they think that they are separate, though they don’t have any reference or evidence. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fardin Fateh Ali This example is not perfect. Bengali and Sylheti are not same. And also, Bengali and Noakhalian are not same! Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 16:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can we stay away from attacking people by calling them fools? Linguists have also ruled the other way; note that it does have an ISO 639-3 tag. The distinction between a language and dialect is not clear. Note that w:Chittagonian language and w:Sylheti language are also considered different languages by many linguists. w:Bengali–Assamese languages shows a long list of these languages.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:24, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love to hear inputs from other linguists @MS Sakib, ROCKY and খাত্তাব হাসান, probably they can provide much more briefs on language management mechanisms in Bangladesh (coincidence: they are administrators who blocked the nominator Mobashir on bn.wikipedia and bn.wikiquote, but I really don't wanna discuss these matters). Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:38, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226 I gave my input on the LangCom mailing list. I opposed this matter there. I feel Mobashir is moving too quickly on it, and he should’ve waited a bit longer to better understand how a Wikimedia project works. ~ KHATTAB (DM) 03:20, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with KHATTAB. It would be helpful for him to spend more time gaining a clear understanding of how things work here. I had to partially block him from Bangla Wikipedia due to repeatedly using the same approach, which did not align with the etiquette guidelines. This also indicated that he was not consistently following Wikipedia’s policies, and his actions seemed more influenced by personal feelings and interests. He is a good contributor, but he needs to be more mindful of the policies and etiquette to ensure constructive participation.-- ROCKY (talk) 04:40, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226 I am feeling bad to here that you are mentioned me whose are don't want to keep me active in Wikimedia sites. As@ROCKY are telling here with pride that he blocked me. That make me hurt a lot. And I have not any comment to Khattab. I just remember @খাত্তাব হাসান that your decision was wrong. I will prove it but this is not my time. Thanks. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:27, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not i who telling them fool, the native Writer D.Salimullah khan mentioned them fool, whom don’t see the difference between Language and dialect. There he also mentioned that every Language is a Language, and every Dialect is a mother tongue. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sharing quote is not everythings. If Sylheti is not a Dialect, Noakhalian is not also a Dialect - Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 16:12, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — It is often noted that dialects can vary every 20 kilometers. If we were to consider each dialect individually, it could lead to the creation of a dozen different Wikipedias under the Bangla language. While there are some points to discuss regarding Sylheti and Chittagonian, this does not apply to other dialects. Sylheti uses a different script, and Chittagonian has some grammatical differences. The comparison with Assamese does not seem relevant. Lastly, the Bangla community does not have enough contributors, even though it has more than 240 million native speakers. Therefore, if a Noakhalian Wikipedia were to be created, I am sorry to say that I do not see a sustainable future for that edition. --ROCKY (talk)
    • Is Noakhalian a language that varies within only 20 km? Sylheti has different letters, but that alone is not enough to make it a completely new language. I am not opposed to Sylheti being recognized. But my question is: why not Noakhalian? And of course, why yes to Chittagonian Noakhalian has its own distinct grammar. You should also know that Rangpurian is considered an eligible language. So why not Noakhalian? I am asking why not, because this proposal is by Mobashir. I know the answer it is. I know!!! (sorry if you find personal attack here) Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:32, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Than we should consider every dialect and sub dialect as a language. Cause everyone have the right to get its own identity. Than 600 Upazila will get its own language. Bro, without historical evidence and ethnical dissimilarity you cant say a dialect a language. Though some recognise them(ctg or Sylheti) as a language, it’ll not wildly recognised as a Language. Cause those don’t have their own identity. And if you look at Sylheti, it don’t actually have a writing system of its own. The writing systems they are telling that own by them was a writing system of Muslim Bengali people, cause that time Bengali alphabet was recognised as Hinduani. And that nagori system was used in Kalkata, Dhaka, Sylhet, Nowkhali . And a writing system of one religious group can’t be an evidence of a language. ~2025-61673-0 (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow, creating fake id! Thanks my haters. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 15:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain you can't tell is the user fake or real cause the user is an IP user media wiki now creates temp accounts for IP users. R1F4T (talk) 16:29, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is some proves -
  1. A Skeleton Grammar of the Noakhali Dialect of Bengali. (Reprinted from the Journal of the Department of Letters [of Calcutta University.).]
  2. Phonological Analysis of Chatkhil Dialect in Noakhali District, Bangladesh
  3. [2]

Others - A Book written By Noakhalian Language -

  1. Thoash book Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 13:51, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain, Notice the names of the books you provided as references. The word 'Dialect' is mentioned in the titles, which means "not an independent language." ≈  MS Sakib  📩 ·📝 14:28, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @MS Sakib Before 50+ years them. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 14:40, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Md Mobashir Hossain 50+ years? Where it says? I couldn't find either "50" or "fifty", and or "পঞ্চাশ" easily by Ctrl+F searches on all of the links provided here (not only these three), could you please point them out, sir? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226 I am clearly not here to support Mobashir in any way. However, it seems he may be trying to argue that the initial reference came from individuals who lived in or researched the topic 50 years ago. But I see, the other two references are from within the last 50 years.
    And about the book, Thoansh (It should be Thoansh, there is clearly a chandrabindu), it's a very new book published in 2022. And they also haven't published it in any script besides Bengali, which I think makes the proof seem weak. ~ KHATTAB (DM) 16:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — Liuxinyu970226, Thank you for mentioning me. Firstly, Noakhalian is not an independent language. It has always been recognized as a dialect of Bengali, and its speakers themselves regard it as such. There has never been any precedent for claiming Noakhalian as a separate language.
    While Sylheti, Chittagonian, and Rangpuri (+ Rajbanshi) are generally considered dialects of Bengali, many linguists classify them as distinct languages. Chittagonian is the least intelligible to standard Bengali speakers, which strengthens the case for its separate status. Sylheti has its own script, and a large educated diaspora community in London is fluent in Sylheti rather than Standard Bengali. But Noakhalian doesn’t fit into any of these categories.
    It has no standardized spoken form, no written tradition or writing system. Its speakers consistently use Standard Bengali in academic and formal contexts. So, there is no practical need for a Noakhalian Wikipedia. The Bengali Wikipedia fully meets the needs of its speakers.
    Even Chittagonian, which is often argued to be a distinct language, remains an almost dormant project in the Incubator. Therefore, I see no viable future for a Noakhalian Wikipedia. At present, only one individual seems to be advocating for the project. Yet even Bishnupriya Manipuri, which is an undisputed independent language, has become almost inactive despite being approved based on the interest of a single user. By the way, the proposer has faced restrictions across several Wikimedia projects due to behavioral issues, which must be taken into account. ≈  MS Sakib  📩 ·📝 14:23, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @MS Sakib By the way, the proposer has faced restrictions across several Wikimedia projects due to behavioral issues, which must be taken into account. Please tell me why you mentioned here? Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 14:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's clearly-than-god ineligible, did the submitter and so-called supporter investigated the above speakers' feeling? It's going to, and only going to, be an orthography of the Bengali language, given that it's only a non-standard orthography, and it's really not showing declining use among the youth, but instead, showing agreeing use among the linguistics and nationals. --~2026-19528-28 (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing my request

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Thanks for your valuable comments (not to all) . I appreciate everyone's comments (except 3). Thanks. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 10:00, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Md Mobashir Hossain: There is nothing about withdrawing a request in Request for new languages. In fact, even after you withdraw, LangCom may still approve it... or they may reject it even when everyone supports you. However, maybe you can change your support to a stale status. And one more thing, try to accept all types of comments made against your comment. They are not opposing you 'Mubashir', but rather one of your ideas. Most probably, you yourself may oppose it in the future. For example, I once worked to make Bangla Wikiversity active, but now, like others, I also think that Bengali people are not yet ready for such a project. Thank you for your contributions. ~ KHATTAB (DM) 12:07, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you. But I am still in my position. I know that is a dialect. I am here to prove this quote "If Sylheti is not a dialect, Noakhalian is not". And requesting to LangCom, Mark as this is an eligble language. Making eligible is not such a big things. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 16:23, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@খাত্তাব হাসান I will try to accept. But I can not. I can not forget the moments and comments by them. You have blocked me but not make your language bad. And you don't block me for my contributions, I know this. You blocked me for a special person. You know who him. Thanks, but still I don't feel guilty for what happens with him and I don't withdraw my comments in bnwq. Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 16:27, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Md Mobashir Hossain I'm not sure that I understand. Are you withdrawing? Or do ou want this to be approved? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to approve this. But If this one approved I will worked to publish the site. And requesting to LangCom, Mark as this is an eligble language. Making eligible is not such a big things Mobashir - 🇧🇩 (talk) 02:48, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't explain why langcom should mark it eligible instead of rejected, despite several users above accounted their evidences why this isn't really eligible. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:05, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Informing @Amire80, there are several other users provided enough reasons why to oppose Noakhalian as a dialect of Bengali to have independent Wikipedia, please consider Rejecting this RFL instead of Eligible, thanks. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of this makes any sense. --MF-W 22:38, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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