Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ottoman Turkish 5

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Ottoman Turkish 5

submitted verification final decision
Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Language code ota (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Ottoman Turkish Language name in English
Language name لسان عثمانى Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q36730 - item has currently the following values:
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality RTL Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Project name ويكيپديا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)


Before you start yelling that such a proposal has already been refused I'd like to tell that this time it will be the good one. Why ? Because Ottoman Turkish is not a dead language. It is as dead as Latin, which would be foolish to consider a dead language knowing how many speakers it has. Ottoman Turkish is an incrediblely rich language with a corpus embracing 15th century classical poems as well as modern scientific and political treaties. Then you might think that creating such a Wikipedia would just be Turkish in arabo-persian script but no. Wikiepedia purpose, wikipedia's tenets always have been the ease of the access to the knowledge, the freedom and gratuitousness of knowledge and by accepting to create a wikipedia in Ottoman Turkish you're realising the wet dream of some Turkish nationalists nor history nerds but allowing a maximum of people to access to this language and its content, a maximum of people to reach knowledge and this is the very meaning, the very reason to be of Wikipedia, so creating wikipedias in Ottoman Turkish and other literary languages of our wolrd history must be considered by Wikipedia. I hope you read me until the end and that you will agree with me for the sack of the humanity. Waiting your favourable reply, may you accept the expression of my dearest regards. --L'Effendi (talk) 23:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  • Do we have ideas why LPP terms 3rd and 4th can't be the oppose reasons? The language must be sufficiently unique that it could not coexist on a more general wiki. In most cases, this excludes regional dialects and different written forms of the same language, and The language of the proposal has a sufficient number of fluent users to form a viable contributor community and an audience for the content. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • While I totally agree that an Ottoman Turkish Wikipedia would not necessarily be the plaything of nationalists or religious ultra-conservatives, and would be as desirable or undesirable as any other Wikipedia in a classic language, I don't think your proposal is helpful. However valid your arguments may be, you say nothing what hasn't been said before - in reference to either Ottoman Turkish or any other ancient language. The discussion will start all over again and the outcome will likely be the same. Steinbach (formerly Caesarion) 20:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]