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submitted verification final decision

This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code szy (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Sakizaya Language name in English
Language name Sakizaya Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q718269 - item has currently the following values:
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.

Settings
Project name Wikipedia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Taipei "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal[edit]

There definitely needs to be Wikipedias in the languages of Taiwanese aborigines and one of them is Nataoran. Nataoran is a highly endangered Formosan language spoken in Taiwan by the Amis and Sakizaya people. --47.150.68.26 04:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwanese aborigines constitute nearly 2% of the Taiwan's total population. The proportion is very low. Nowadays, there are 16 aboriginal peoples have been officially recognized.

In 1878, the Sakizaya and Kavalan fought a devastating battle against Qing invaders. This event ended in disaster for the both communities causing many of their members to be slaughtered in an event called the "Takobowan Incident" (also known as the "Galeewan Incident" or "Kalyawan Battle"). The remaining Sakizaya, meanwhile, were forced to escape and to blend with Amis. In 2003, the community presented a petition for official ethnos status to the Council of Indigenous Peoples based on historical, linguistic and cultural data. Eventually, the petition was approved on January 17, 2007, recognizing them as a distinct ethnos, and the Sakizaya was confirmed as the thirteen aboriginal peoples of Taiwan. The Sakizaya has 904 enrolled members (2017), in fact, we estimate the number of the Sakizaya about 5,000 people. Besides, because of history, the Sakizaya is both good at Amis language and Sakizaya language, which accelerates Sakizaya language becoming an endangered language. Sakizaya members, who hidden in the Amis, have an influence on modern Hualien politics. They also use the influence to mobilize the organization in their language revitalization, and choose Wikipedia in Sakizaya language as the dimension of effort.

In 2015, the Center for Aboriginal Studies(ALCD) of National ChengChi University received subsidy from Ministry of Education to promote the operation of Wikimedia incubator for aboriginal peoples. This is how the incubator of Wikipedia in Sakizaya started. Unexpectedly, this incubator takes the Sakizaya society by storm and recently develops to self-running by their members.

Today(August 15, 2017), there are three languages in the active list of incubator among Taiwanese aboriginal languages, two of which are Atayal and Amis language, which spoken by 80,000 and 200,000 people; the third one is Sakizaya language. Compared with ethnic population, Sakizaya even get greater grades. Now the movement of revitalize Sakizaya language is establishing the Sakizaya-language edition of Wikipedia. Corainn (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments[edit]

Discussion[edit]

  • Question Question: How can one add Sakizaya's native label (P1705) to complete the settings table above? I've tried in the page of Wikidata(Q718269), but it seems not having the right name of language to choose.Corainn (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Question: The language code applies to Nataoran broadly, of which Sakizaya seems to be a variety. Does this project include Nataoran in general, or only Sakizaya? StevenJ81 (talk) 22:35, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@StevenJ81: Thanks, now I know why. This project is only Sakizaya, the reason I've replied on the page of Talk:Language committee. :) Corainn (talk) 08:15, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm. 15 "Support" comments submitted within a few hours of each other from accounts created shortly before the comments were submitted (and not used for anything else)? Looks like sockpuppetry to me. Does this call for a CheckUser? @Ajraddatz: what do you think? - dcljr (talk) 04:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • As a followup to my previous comment, interested parties should note the latest comments at Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Atayal, where something similar happened on the same day. Supposedly there is a legitimate (if misguided) reason for the explosion of comments… - dcljr (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi! @Dcljr:,@Ajraddatz: There was an exhibition held by Ministry of Education of Taiwan for Aboriginal Languages Wikipedia these past two days. The Sakizaya People who made comments were just visiting the exhibition und were encouraged to know more about this project like how to work on it (leaving comments were like an ending?). It's a promotion activity, just want to get some new members who might be interested in this and follow the project when they got home. This happened for Wikipedia Atayal as well. Corainn (talk) 08:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

January 2019 update[edit]

Sakizaya was granted a language code in the January 2019 SIL code release, so this project is now eligible.

  • To the best of my ability, I have moved the test in Incubator to incubator:Wp/szy, though I would ask community members to check and make sure I didn't miss anything.
  • Community members need to check in at translatewiki.net to determine whether any translations there under ais are actually Sakizaya (and should be moved) or are actually Nataoran (and should probably be deleted, since ais for Nataoran is deprecated in favor of including it within ami). @Amire80: for your information. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@StevenJ81: Thank you for your attention and the help! If there is any suggestion for the progress, please let us know. Corainn (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: StevenJ81 presumably meant "ami" (Amis) instead of "aim" in his comment above. - dcljr (talk) 01:17, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, of course. Fixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments[edit]

I just moved these two comments from the already archived "Arguments" section above to here (removing the "Support" labels, since that's not relevant anymore). Since the language has been judged "eligible", additional comments in favor of having a standalone wiki are no longer helpful. What would be helpful is translating the MediaWiki system messages into this language at translatewiki:, as explained at Language proposal policy#Requisites for final approval. I just created translatewiki:Portal:szy based on another small-language portal there, since that page is linked to from incubator:Wp/szy but did not exist yet. Someone else should improve the portal, as necessary. - dcljr (talk) 07:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think some of the work has been done, but perhaps was coded as ais. @Amire80: Can you provide any insight? StevenJ81 (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Settings[edit]

To discuss the settings, see incubator:Talk:Wp/szy. --MF-W 01:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]