Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Simple Latin

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This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

If you have that strong an interest in sine flexione, please go to la:Vicipaedia:Taberna and ask for support and incubation there, per comment below. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code il (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Latino sine flexione Language name in English
Language name Latino sine flexione Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q35938 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL il.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name Vicipaedia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
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Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
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Proposal[edit]

The Latin is very complex and the Italian mathematician Peano constructed a simplified version of it. So I am requesting for a Simple Latin Wikipedia. Soumya-8974 (talk) 10:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

  • Latino sine flexione does not have an ISO 639-3 code; "il" is not a valid code for Latino sine flexione. I'm not aware of any use of LSF outside of Peano's use, so it would have a hard time qualifying as a constructed language eligible for a Wikimedia page.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:31, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    https://iso639-3.sil.org/request/2017-022 includes SIL's rejection of Latino sine Flexione.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Simple English Wikipedia is a great success, but I'd say there isn't really a strong enough justification for Simple other-language Wikipedias, and no reason to single out Latin. Speaking generally and approximately, natural languages are all equally complicated, which is why small children find them all equally easy to learn. Latin started out as a natural language like the others. Setting that aside, there is also a practical problem from the Wikipedia point of view. Peano was a fine linguist but his created language has very little current use, and we would have no other source for our own usage except Peano. That's just not enough as the basis for a general encyclopedia. For both reasons, I'm not in favour. Of course, anyone can introduce this idea at la:Vicipaedia:Taberna and ask for support. Andrew Dalby (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, no languages without native speakers pretty please. The purpose of Wikimedia movement is to provide educational content, there is no educational value in encyclopedic content in a language every speaker of which would be much better off learning it in their native language. Max Semenik (talk) 01:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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